my lack of gay pride offends straight people

[Robbie-fyed]

TaoShaman

I'm not saying that people shouldn't try to change things. And in the civil rights movement there were many people that chose to peacefully state their concerns and tried to change things without screaming at the top of their lungs without giving any reasoning or alternatives. What I'm saying is that it is unrealistic to just expect people to bow to your opinion just because you want them to. Sometimes to reason with people you have to follow their rules. And there's also the fact that you can't change everyone's opinon. There's still racism, there's still sexism. You can try to change the majority's opinion, but there will always be a minority that you cannot change. Like do the majority of people really protest against gay rights? No,most people really are at least indifferent. That small portion that is doing the protesting probably aren't going to change. The people to try to influence are the indifferent people, they don't really have an opinion and are probably more open to listening.

We aren't trying to change people's opinions about us. Have you been reading anything I wrote either? ******** other people's opinions. I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks about me. They don't have to think the way I live my life is right, but they do have to respect my right to live it the way I want as long as I am not breaking the law.  

[Robbie-fyed]

Gordums

Hi. I love you.

Haha, hi! I love you too! ^^

I'm sorry, I just get really passionate about this subject. sweatdrop

 

[TaoShaman]

Nettles Hart

TaoShaman

I'm not saying that people shouldn't try to change things. And in the civil rights movement there were many people that chose to peacefully state their concerns and tried to change things without screaming at the top of their lungs without giving any reasoning or alternatives. What I'm saying is that it is unrealistic to just expect people to bow to your opinion just because you want them to. Sometimes to reason with people you have to follow their rules. And there's also the fact that you can't change everyone's opinon. There's still racism, there's still sexism. You can try to change the majority's opinion, but there will always be a minority that you cannot change. Like do the majority of people really protest against gay rights? No,most people really are at least indifferent. That small portion that is doing the protesting probably aren't going to change. The people to try to influence are the indifferent people, they don't really have an opinion and are probably more open to listening.

We aren't trying to change people's opinions about us. Have you been reading anything I wrote either? ******** other people's opinions. I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks about me. They don't have to think the way I live my life is right, but they do have to respect my right to live it the way I want as long as I am not breaking the law.

I have read what you wrote. And I'm just stopping this now. Like I said before there are some people i.e. you, that will never listen to reason and feel the need to yell and whatever because they can't see other people's perspective. Or they just want attention. It's been said before, when you fight something, you eventually become the very thing you are fighting.  

[Robbie-fyed]

TaoShaman

Nettles Hart

TaoShaman

I'm not saying that people shouldn't try to change things. And in the civil rights movement there were many people that chose to peacefully state their concerns and tried to change things without screaming at the top of their lungs without giving any reasoning or alternatives. What I'm saying is that it is unrealistic to just expect people to bow to your opinion just because you want them to. Sometimes to reason with people you have to follow their rules. And there's also the fact that you can't change everyone's opinon. There's still racism, there's still sexism. You can try to change the majority's opinion, but there will always be a minority that you cannot change. Like do the majority of people really protest against gay rights? No,most people really are at least indifferent. That small portion that is doing the protesting probably aren't going to change. The people to try to influence are the indifferent people, they don't really have an opinion and are probably more open to listening.

We aren't trying to change people's opinions about us. Have you been reading anything I wrote either? ******** other people's opinions. I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks about me. They don't have to think the way I live my life is right, but they do have to respect my right to live it the way I want as long as I am not breaking the law.

I have read what you wrote. And I'm just stopping this now. Like I said before there are some people i.e. you, that will never listen to reason and feel the need to yell and whatever because they can't see other people's perspective. Or they just want attention. It's been said before, when you fight something, you eventually become the very thing you are fighting.

This is the internet, where you type, and therefore there is no voice. If you hear yelling, that's on you because that's the way you're taking it. You're a moron, and if you don't like what I have to say then don't read it. Plain and simple.  

[Sin Error]

I don't really have pride for being gay...I mean should I? should I aslo have pride for having black hair? or for having brown eyes? maybe pride for being white or ******** that s**t, though no hate on the people who do have pride and if I get the chance to go to a parade, I will. beacuse I do support them, I mean gays get enough hate already, so I see this pride thing as an event where they can express themselves and show the world that eveybody is different and that no matter what they do, we won't go away. Gay parades will go on as long as theres hate for gays and that's it.

also yes, those people seem a little too supportive...in a ignorant kinda way.

ALSO STOP FLIPPIN SHITS MAN.

Peace and love.  

[Shilberu Erikku]

Nettles Hart

Shilberu Erikku

I doubt their reaction would be that strong, as there are straight tomboys and straight effeminate men. And I'm not saying we should completely strip individuality, I'm just saying we need to improve our image a bit. A gay man doesn't need a speedo to magikarp about the place. Perhaps if the parades were a bit more formal, then we would be taken more seriously. Also, isn't the purpose of the parades the message, and not the gallavanting?

You are either not reading what I wrote or just don't understand it. You can not tell someone how to express themselves just because it makes you feel better. The point of pride, ONCE AGAIN, is not to prove ourselves to anyone. It is meant for people within our community to come out and be who they are. It's so that one day out of the year we can express ourselves the way we want, so that we can be true to ourselves just for one ******** day! God damn it, I can not understand why that is so hard to understand!

Then I misunderstood the point of the parades.Is that a crime? Also, what the hell is wrong be being annoyed by a particular type of person? Um, Hello, freedom of speech ring a bell? I mean, Jesus Christ man, you're a heartbeat away from your posts being in German. Keep in mind that my sense of discretion is almost nonexistent.  

[Robbie-fyed]

Shilberu Erikku

Then I misunderstood the point of the parades.Is that a crime? Also, what the hell is wrong be being annoyed by a particular type of person? Um, Hello, freedom of speech ring a bell? I mean, Jesus Christ man, you're a heartbeat away from your posts being in German. Keep in mind that my sense of discretion is almost nonexistent.

It is when I told you two other times what the whole point is. Stupidity isn't an excuse in the least. Again with being hypocritical. If you're allowed, then so am I. Freedom of speech, right?  

[Gordums]

TaoShaman

I'm not saying that people shouldn't try to change things. And in the civil rights movement there were many people that chose to peacefully state their concerns and tried to change things without screaming at the top of their lungs without giving any reasoning or alternatives. What I'm saying is that it is unrealistic to just expect people to bow to your opinion just because you want them to. Sometimes to reason with people you have to follow their rules. And there's also the fact that you can't change everyone's opinon. There's still racism, there's still sexism. You can try to change the majority's opinion, but there will always be a minority that you cannot change. Like do the majority of people really protest against gay rights? No,most people really are at least indifferent. That small portion that is doing the protesting probably aren't going to change. The people to try to influence are the indifferent people, they don't really have an opinion and are probably more open to listening.

It is unrealistic to make people change their opinions because we want them to, but that's why we need to be engaged and create this discussion and dissent, be visible and activated, including protests. Get them to know that as a minority community, we do have rights as human beings and to encourage acceptance with diversity. There will be some people who will still hold negative notions, but as long as we encourage this acceptance, we can eventually overturn those opinions. For example, owning slaves is no longer an issue where as about 2 centuries ago, it was moral to own slaves of your own race.
My point is that I find it problematic when you say things won't change because life is constantly changing. When you say things won;t ever change, that simply belittles the movement and does nothing good for us. You degrade our potentials as human beings to create change. You may not see it because of whatever privileges or experiences you have in life, but changes are there. Even if we aren't changing, it's important for us to keep up what we are doing because if we stand down, we will get run over.

Nettles Hart

Haha, hi! I love you too! ^^

I'm sorry, I just get really passionate about this subject. sweatdrop

Haha I also do get passionate in issues like these cool

Sin Error

I don't really have pride for being gay...I mean should I? should I aslo have pride for having black hair? or for having brown eyes? maybe pride for being white or ******** that s**t, though no hate on the people who do have pride and if I get the chance to go to a parade, I will. beacuse I do support them, I mean gays get enough hate already, so I see this pride thing as an event where they can express themselves and show the world that eveybody is different and that no matter what they do, we won't go away. Gay parades will go on as long as theres hate for gays and that's it.

also yes, those people seem a little too supportive...in a ignorant kinda way.

ALSO STOP FLIPPIN SHITS MAN.

Peace and love.

I think you should have pride in who you are, rather than focusing on specifics - which is the point of the pride parades. People are different and because are not normal and don't fit in a shoebox, we don't register as proper, but instead as weird. I don't know who you are, but I do trust that you are a human being and lives and breathes and bleeds red blood like mine. You and I are made of the same type of building blocks but what sets us apart is not only different physical features which are minute, but rather, you as a person and myself as a person. Nobody will ever be YOU because of your lived experiences inside your own lived body, and thus I will never be able to understand you because I have lived my own different experiences from my own body. This unique property of autonomy is something so valuable it can never be replicated or destroyed because no matter how you change as a person, I can never be you. The fact that your autonomy can do things, move things, create, discuss, destroy, and a whole host of other verbs makes you somebody that can change in life. That in itself, is something that you should take pride in, along with many other things.

 

[Robbie-fyed]

Gordums

I think you should have pride in who you are, rather than focusing on specifics - which is the point of the pride parades. People are different and because are not normal and don't fit in a shoebox, we don't register as proper, but instead as weird. I don't know who you are, but I do trust that you are a human being and lives and breathes and bleeds red blood like mine. You and I are made of the same type of building blocks but what sets us apart is not only different physical features which are minute, but rather, you as a person and myself as a person. Nobody will ever be YOU because of your lived experiences inside your own lived body, and thus I will never be able to understand you because I have lived my own different experiences from my own body. This unique property of autonomy is something so valuable it can never be replicated or destroyed because no matter how you change as a person, I can never be you. The fact that your autonomy can do things, move things, create, discuss, destroy, and a whole host of other verbs makes you somebody that can change in life. That in itself, is something that you should take pride in, along with many other things.

Thank god, someone who gets it! heart

 

[Shanna66]

Gordums

Sin Error

I don't really have pride for being gay...I mean should I? should I aslo have pride for having black hair? or for having brown eyes? maybe pride for being white or ******** that s**t, though no hate on the people who do have pride and if I get the chance to go to a parade, I will. beacuse I do support them, I mean gays get enough hate already, so I see this pride thing as an event where they can express themselves and show the world that eveybody is different and that no matter what they do, we won't go away. Gay parades will go on as long as theres hate for gays and that's it.

also yes, those people seem a little too supportive...in a ignorant kinda way.

ALSO STOP FLIPPIN SHITS MAN.

Peace and love.

I think you should have pride in who you are, rather than focusing on specifics - which is the point of the pride parades. People are different and because are not normal and don't fit in a shoebox, we don't register as proper, but instead as weird. I don't know who you are, but I do trust that you are a human being and lives and breathes and bleeds red blood like mine. You and I are made of the same type of building blocks but what sets us apart is not only different physical features which are minute, but rather, you as a person and myself as a person. Nobody will ever be YOU because of your lived experiences inside your own lived body, and thus I will never be able to understand you because I have lived my own different experiences from my own body. This unique property of autonomy is something so valuable it can never be replicated or destroyed because no matter how you change as a person, I can never be you. The fact that your autonomy can do things, move things, create, discuss, destroy, and a whole host of other verbs makes you somebody that can change in life. That in itself, is something that you should take pride in, along with many other things.

*hugs* i love you so much right now. i dont mind being proud of who i am, i just dont see the point in being proud of the little things i was born with. im a proud bisexual woman who loves animals but im not proud to be bisexual  

[Shilberu Erikku]

Nettles Hart

Shilberu Erikku

Then I misunderstood the point of the parades.Is that a crime? Also, what the hell is wrong be being annoyed by a particular type of person? Um, Hello, freedom of speech ring a bell? I mean, Jesus Christ man, you're a heartbeat away from your posts being in German. Keep in mind that my sense of discretion is almost nonexistent.

It is when I told you two other times what the whole point is. Stupidity isn't an excuse in the least. Again with being hypocritical. If you're allowed, then so am I. Freedom of speech, right?

So what if I feed of hypocrisy?  

[Robbie-fyed]

Shilberu Erikku

Nettles Hart

Shilberu Erikku

Then I misunderstood the point of the parades.Is that a crime? Also, what the hell is wrong be being annoyed by a particular type of person? Um, Hello, freedom of speech ring a bell? I mean, Jesus Christ man, you're a heartbeat away from your posts being in German. Keep in mind that my sense of discretion is almost nonexistent.

It is when I told you two other times what the whole point is. Stupidity isn't an excuse in the least. Again with being hypocritical. If you're allowed, then so am I. Freedom of speech, right?

So what if I feed of hypocrisy?

I'm guessing that was meant to say, you feed OFF of hypocrisy. No sweetheart, you live hypocrisy. That'll be enough of that now.  

[TaoShaman]

Gordums

TaoShaman

I'm not saying that people shouldn't try to change things. And in the civil rights movement there were many people that chose to peacefully state their concerns and tried to change things without screaming at the top of their lungs without giving any reasoning or alternatives. What I'm saying is that it is unrealistic to just expect people to bow to your opinion just because you want them to. Sometimes to reason with people you have to follow their rules. And there's also the fact that you can't change everyone's opinon. There's still racism, there's still sexism. You can try to change the majority's opinion, but there will always be a minority that you cannot change. Like do the majority of people really protest against gay rights? No,most people really are at least indifferent. That small portion that is doing the protesting probably aren't going to change. The people to try to influence are the indifferent people, they don't really have an opinion and are probably more open to listening.

It is unrealistic to make people change their opinions because we want them to, but that's why we need to be engaged and create this discussion and dissent, be visible and activated, including protests. Get them to know that as a minority community, we do have rights as human beings and to encourage acceptance with diversity. There will be some people who will still hold negative notions, but as long as we encourage this acceptance, we can eventually overturn those opinions. For example, owning slaves is no longer an issue where as about 2 centuries ago, it was moral to own slaves of your own race.
My point is that I find it problematic when you say things won't change because life is constantly changing. When you say things won;t ever change, that simply belittles the movement and does nothing good for us. You degrade our potentials as human beings to create change. You may not see it because of whatever privileges or experiences you have in life, but changes are there. Even if we aren't changing, it's important for us to keep up what we are doing because if we stand down, we will get run over.

I agree with you that we should try to change things. I'm just saying that things don't change as much as we think. Like slavery is more prominent now than it was back then.Just not in
America anymore.And even in America,there's people that work for practically nothing and it is very similar to slavery.Some of the most dangerous jobs there are have the lowest wages. I'm just saying that people shouldn't get their hopes up too much about change because things don't really truly change as much as people like to think.And who's to say what really is human.There is not that much that seperates us from animals.Physically and mentally.  

[Taeryyn]

I certainly don't hate myself for my sexuality, and I have no issue with people who represent the more...flamboyant side of our community. That said, I wouldn't say I have much "gay pride". I'm not proud of the fact that I like apples, and likewise I don't feel proud that I like men. Doesn't mean I'm ashamed, though.

Our pride parade here is pretty tame. Just a couple of local community groups marching with lots of rainbow banners and balloons, some glitter, and then a barbeque afterwards. Nothing extreme. *shrug* Not all pride parades are full of scantily-clad dancers and drag queens. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with either type of parade. I don't really think it makes sense to try and amputate or hide the groups in the LGBT community that don't measure up to some arbitrary "normal" standard. For one thing, it's hateful, and for another, it's deceitful.


Unrelated to the topic at hand, I am really disappointed by the catty insults being thrown around. :/  

[lgtenos]

Shanna66

oh wow, hope you dont get too much homophobia over there sad

Lol, there isn't much homophobia. Conservatism is only deemed upon the county as a whole. Actually, the only reason why we're deemed conservative is because we have an extremely high population of elderly (who are, by assumption, more inclined to conservative points of view).

However, from my experiences (and the experiences of others), most of the population really doesn't give a damn about the LGBT community. We're all so caught up in the glamor that is Orange County that we succeed in realizing that such minor differences hardly make a dent in the overall community.