Proof the Bible is Right?

[The Beautiful jewel]

Dark Angel Rai

Syrokal

While it is an interesting point on a fact that is hard to explain, we must remember the Bible says the earth is also 6000 years old....and well, we know that's not right

It doesn't exactly say 6000 years but people assume that the world is 6000 years old because that's when the Bible was written...so they think that because God created the Bible that's when he created the world..

God did not create the Bible. These are stories that were translated from other languages. And now there is more and more confirmation that Jesus did exist and lived where the Bible says he lived.  

[The Beautiful jewel]

Break Sage

Have you ever heard of the Massorah? It's the ultimate proof that the bible is true. It has been used for in translation for the Old Testament in Protestant Bibles as well as Catholic Bibles in recent decades (that's why it's in the Catholic encyclopedia). Don't be deceived by that though. Protestant and Catholic belief have nothing to do with that. Here's the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_text

I am sorry but because wikipedia does NOT verify their sources I don't think it is a good choice to use for arguments.  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

The Beautiful jewel

Dark Angel Rai

Syrokal

While it is an interesting point on a fact that is hard to explain, we must remember the Bible says the earth is also 6000 years old....and well, we know that's not right

It doesn't exactly say 6000 years but people assume that the world is 6000 years old because that's when the Bible was written...so they think that because God created the Bible that's when he created the world..

God did not create the Bible. These are stories that were translated from other languages. And now there is more and more confirmation that Jesus did exist and lived where the Bible says he lived.

Ummm.....God wrote the Bible..What kind of Christian are you if you say that he didn't?  

[Aquiella]

Syrokal

While it is an interesting point on a fact that is hard to explain, we must remember the Bible says the earth is also 6000 years old....and well, we know that's not right

How can you KNOW it's older? I've looked at alot of arguements and alot of theories on what age the earth is, and I find that the most plausible and reasonable age is somewhere between 6000 and 9000.

I'd love to see a solid arguement to the contrary though. And one that doesn't use rock/fossil layers, carbon dating, or the Grand Canyon.  

[Aquiella]

Sybil Unrest

Aquiella

"Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?" Job 38:16

The bible has contained this passage for hundreds of years. That's hundreds of years BEFORE mankind discovered that there WERE underwater springs at the bottom of the ocean.

To be honest, this doesn't prove anything. It is and always was reasonable to assume that, as lakes are fed by springs of water, therefore the seas are too. It does not prove any special revelatory knowledge on behalf of the author of Job.

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"Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail?" Job 38:22

That was also in there for a very long time. Long before mankind discovered that, under a microscope, snowflakes look like gorgeous crystals. Like the kind found in a treasure room.

Yes...the hail which looks sparkly could be kept in a giant storehouse in the sky before coming to earth...if anything that shows a lack of scientific knowledge.

There's a reason no one uses those verses as a proof of the bible's specialness.

Umm... I never said they were. If you'll read what I said carefully, you'll see that I was comparing them to precious crystals and stones that are typically found in treasure rooms.

Ever seen a snowflake under a microscope? Doesn't it look gorgeous? Simmilar to a beautiful gemstone or geode that would be stored in a treasure vault.


As for that other, your using modern-day logic to come up with that. Besides, if that is what they thought, then why were scientists so amazed and flabberghasted when they found underwater springs at the bottom of the ocean?

And the springs are not "feeding" the ocean. Rivers and streams and melting glaciers feed the ocean. along with precipitation from hurricanes and tropical storms. Why else is the water level of the ocean rising?  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

Aquiella

Syrokal

While it is an interesting point on a fact that is hard to explain, we must remember the Bible says the earth is also 6000 years old....and well, we know that's not right

How can you KNOW it's older? I've looked at alot of arguements and alot of theories on what age the earth is, and I find that the most plausible and reasonable age is somewhere between 6000 and 9000.

I'd love to see a solid arguement to the contrary though. And one that doesn't use rock/fossil layers, carbon dating, or the Grand Canyon.

Stonehenge was built 10,000 years ago. There's your proof.  

[Aquiella]

How do you know it was built that long ago? That is my question.

I want you to show me WHY the world is _____ years old. Pointing at the pyramids or the Grand canyon and saying "there's your proof!" is silly. If you can't show me WHY it's proof, then all your doing is pointing fingers.

You point at Stonehenge and that is your proof?

I say Stonehenge was built less than 4400 years ago. That is MY proof.

...see how silly that is? Prove to me that it was built 10,000 years ago, or I will dismiss your fingerpointing as nothing but a new dance fad! XD  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

Aquiella

How do you know it was built that long ago? That is my question.

I want you to show me WHY the world is _____ years old. Pointing at the pyramids or the Grand canyon and saying "there's your proof!" is silly. If you can't show me WHY it's proof, then all your doing is pointing fingers.

You point at Stonehenge and that is your proof?

I say Stonehenge was built less than 4400 years ago. That is MY proof.

...see how silly that is? Prove to me that it was built 10,000 years ago, or I will dismiss your fingerpointing as nothing but a new dance fad! XD

Because Druidism was before Judaism, which was before Christianity, which was before Islam. And using those object isn't silly. What's silly is saying that Christianity came first even though we know those relics were around BEFORE Jesus was ever born. Also the Celts (Druids were Celtic or some of them were) and Egyptians were among the first ancient civilations along with the Greeks and Romans. Or have you forgotten that most of the old world religions are older than Christianity?  

[Aquiella]

Actually, Christianity DIDN'T start with Jesus. John the Baptist was born a bit before Jesus and was teaching Christianity BEFORE Jesus had even STARTED his preaching. Your logic is flawed, your timelines are off, bigtime, and you STILL have not answered my question!!

I can point at Stonehenge and say "behold! proof of aliens!! because they were here first!!" and it won't prove a thing. And that's what your doing. Pointing and saying it was made by ____ and they came first so there!!

That just says you don't believe that point strongly enough to research it and give us references that are NOT youtube or wikipedia!!

If your not going to do any research, then your not worth taking seriously.

Please leave and return with something that can be verified. Thank you!  

[Aquiella]

Jesus Christ and John the Baptist were related. Their mothers, Mary and Elizabeth, were cousins. (Luke 1:36).

John the Baptist was born 6 months before Jesus Christ (Luke 1:36). He died about 6 months before Jesus Christ (Matthew 14:10-12).

I got it from this site.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/johnbapt.htm

This is what I want when I say "verifiable proof". This is proof that your timeline is bull. proof that Christianity came BEFORE Jesus' birth and BEFORE he began preaching.

Besides. Moses came LONG before Jesus. Wasn't HE christian too? 3nodding  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

Aquiella

Actually, Christianity DIDN'T start with Jesus. John the Baptist was born a bit before Jesus and was teaching Christianity BEFORE Jesus had even STARTED his preaching. Your logic is flawed, your timelines are off, bigtime, and you STILL have not answered my question!!

I can point at Stonehenge and say "behold! proof of aliens!! because they were here first!!" and it won't prove a thing. And that's what your doing. Pointing and saying it was made by ____ and they came first so there!!

That just says you don't believe that point strongly enough to research it and give us references that are NOT youtube or wikipedia!!

If your not going to do any research, then your not worth taking seriously.

Please leave and return with something that can be verified. Thank you!

Ummmmm. Try reading a history book. biggrin . Oh wait...you don't believe in textbooks do you? neutral And it's a public forum. You aren't a crew member and can't tell someone to leave.  

[ShideKnight]

Dark Angel Rai

Ummmmm. Try reading a history book. biggrin . Oh wait...you don't believe in textbooks do you? neutral And it's a public forum. You aren't a crew member and can't tell someone to leave.

I think she's referring to carbon dating procedures being inaccurate.

I really don't know one way or another; I've not cared enough to look into it.  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

ShideKnight

Dark Angel Rai

Ummmmm. Try reading a history book. biggrin . Oh wait...you don't believe in textbooks do you? neutral And it's a public forum. You aren't a crew member and can't tell someone to leave.

I think she's referring to carbon dating procedures being inaccurate.

I really don't know one way or another; I've not cared enough to look into it.

I hope she's referring to Carbon dating procedures being inaccurate.  

[ShideKnight]

Well I seem to recall it being brought up earlier in the thread.

Besides, how else would they know it's over 10,000 years old? I don't think there are really any other scientific dating methods.  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

ShideKnight

Well I seem to recall it being brought up earlier in the thread.

Besides, how else would they know it's over 10,000 years old? I don't think there are really any other scientific dating methods.

Also with the history of the people that lived there and could build those ruins. Most of the sects of Paganism have been around longer than Christianity. The oldest possibly being Druidism as I have stated.