Homosexuality and the Bible (1/5/06)

[Kt-Chi]

Baptist Holman

Every gay person that I have meet before in the past (who were my friends) have said that they chosen such abominable lifestyle. Everyone is born depraved and will live like it unless God touches one's life toward repentance. Should homosexuality be compromised in Christianity? No. For God himself said it was abominable sinful and against his purpose of sex.

I for one did not chose to be gay. I knew I was gay at age 8, and at that time I did not even know what it meant to "go out".
And for 2 years I was depressed, suicidal because I thought God hated me just for who I loved.
Repent? You only do such a thing for sins.
Being gay is not a sin.  

[SinfulGuillotine]

Baptist Holman

Every gay person that I have meet before in the past (who were my friends) have said that they chosen such abominable lifestyle. Everyone is born depraved and will live like it unless God touches one's life toward repentance. Should homosexuality be compromised in Christianity? No. For God himself said it was abominable sinful and against his purpose of sex.

What is this "lifestyle" people keep speaking of?

Honestly, I think my lifestyle is pretty normal. Boring, even. I wake up, I go to class in the morning, I work in the afternoon, after work I might run some errands, and then I come home and practise, work on coursework, and waste time online. Sounds pretty abominable, doesn't it?

But all sarcasm aside, I think you're missing an important distinction: Chosing the sexual orientation, vs. choosing to act upon it. Homosexuality is not homosexual sex. Homosexuality is the sexual, emotional, and intellectual attraction to members of the same sex. One does not choose to be homosexual anymore than one chooses to be heterosexual (see my link to the APA's article on sexuality on the previous page if you want to see what the experts have to say about it). But unless you're raped, sex is always a choice. Regardless of sexual orientation, a person chooses whether or not to act on their attraction to any given person.

So if your friends say that they chose the homosexual "lifestyle" (which I'm taking in this context to mean homosexual relationships/sex), they're not saying that they chose to be homosexual. They're saying that they chose to act on their attractions to members of the same sex.  

[Monergism]

SinfulGuillotine

But all sarcasm aside, I think you're missing an important distinction: Chosing the sexual orientation, vs. choosing to act upon it. Homosexuality is not homosexual sex. Homosexuality is the sexual, emotional, and intellectual attraction to members of the same sex. One does not choose to be homosexual anymore than one chooses to be heterosexual (see my link to the APA's article on sexuality on the previous page if you want to see what the experts have to say about it). But unless you're raped, sex is always a choice. Regardless of sexual orientation, a person chooses whether or not to act on their attraction to any given person.

True, I should be more accurate on my terms when dealing with homosexuality. Now, I'm not sure if the pro-homosexual propaganda theories are true or not. I just don't know. All I know is what Scripture teaches about homosexual sex.

SinfulGuillotine

So if your friends say that they chose the homosexual "lifestyle" (which I'm taking in this context to mean homosexual relationships/sex), they're not saying that they chose to be homosexual. They're saying that they chose to act on their attractions to members of the same sex.

I'm just repeating what they said to me. So, I can't speak for them any further on this issue.  

[Monergism]

Kt-Chi

Being gay is not a sin.

Read.  

[SinfulGuillotine]

Baptist Holman

True, I should be more accurate on my terms when dealing with homosexuality. Now, I'm not sure if the pro-homosexual propaganda theories are true or not. I just don't know. All I know is what Scripture teaches about homosexual sex.

I wasn't aware that psychology was pro-homosexual propganda.

Perhaps some people, to some degree, can consciously manipulate their sexualities, but that is not true for the vast majority of the population. Heterosexuals don't chose to be heterosexual, bisexuals don't choose to be bisexual, and homosexuals don't choose to be homosexual.

As for the Scripture, I tread lightly on that. But it's not universally-accepted among scholars and theologians that the Bible condemns homosexuality.

I merely direct people to this page, which addresses all sides and many different specific issues of homosexuality and Christianity.  

[Kt-Chi]

...Read what exactly?
What they said just confirmed that its not a sin.
o-O  

[Monergism]

Kt-Chi

...Read what exactly?
What they said just confirmed that its not a sin.
o-O

Did you read Jedediah Smith's reply?  

[Kt-Chi]

Thats all his opinion.
He says "I believe".

With that beside the point.. you want me to try to be straight again, feeling that everyone hates me, and to feel deeply depressed and suicidal because I cant be what I clearly am?

You want me to... try and actually LIKE the male genitals?
NO.
Disgusting.  

[ioioouiouiouio]

Kt-Chi

Thats all his opinion.
He says "I believe".

But he still backs up 'his opinion' with facts and scripture. Not that I agree or disagree with him, but dismissing an entire argument for only two words is rather frivolous.  

[iWannaLoveYouForever29]

Same Sex Marriage
I feel very strongly about this subject.
It says by man and wife. Not man and man, or woman and woman ... When you get married.

Also:
Romans 7:2
..."by law a married woman is bound to her husband..."
Never once in the Bible does it refer to a man and man, or woman and woman.

Look up marriage in your Bible (My Bible has a dictionary at the end) and see what it says. Even read the bible cover to cover a million times, it never refers to same sex marriage is acceptable!

And I feel homosexuality is a sin. My mother,grandfather and grandmother are all pastors and they have all told me ... it's a sin.

My older brother is gay, and he SAID he knows its wrong. BUT, he does his own thing.

 

[Monergism]

Kt-Chi

With that beside the point.. you want me to try to be straight again, feeling that everyone hates me, and to feel deeply depressed and suicidal because I cant be what I clearly am?

You want me to... try and actually LIKE the male genitals?
NO.
Disgusting.

I'm not suggesting you go have sex with a male. I'm just point out that there is support against homosexuality in the Bible. Celibacy is an option for homosexuals.  

[SinfulGuillotine]

iWannaLoveYouForever29

Same Sex Marriage
I feel very strongly about this subject.
It says by man and wife. Not man and man, or woman and woman ... When you get married.

Also:
Romans 7:2
..."by law a married woman is bound to her husband..."
Never once in the Bible does it refer to a man and man, or woman and woman.

Look up marriage in your Bible (My Bible has a dictionary at the end) and see what it says. Even read the bible cover to cover a million times, it never refers to same sex marriage is acceptable!

And I feel homosexuality is a sin. My mother,grandfather and grandmother are all pastors and they have all told me ... it's a sin.

My older brother is gay, and he SAID he knows its wrong. BUT, he does his own thing.

But marriage is a legal institution. Therefore, regardless of whether or not homosexuality is a sin should be irrelevent in a secular government.

Yes, marriage has a religious aspect of it for many people, but if you believe that marriage should be confined to the church, I hope you also protest the marriage of atheists and agnostics.  

[Kt-Chi]

Baptist Holman

Kt-Chi

With that beside the point.. you want me to try to be straight again, feeling that everyone hates me, and to feel deeply depressed and suicidal because I cant be what I clearly am?

You want me to... try and actually LIKE the male genitals?
NO.
Disgusting.

I'm not suggesting you go have sex with a male. I'm just point out that there is support against homosexuality in the Bible. Celibacy is an option for homosexuals.

Not in the 1611 version.  

[Monergism]

Kt-Chi

Baptist Holman

Kt-Chi

With that beside the point.. you want me to try to be straight again, feeling that everyone hates me, and to feel deeply depressed and suicidal because I cant be what I clearly am?

You want me to... try and actually LIKE the male genitals?
NO.
Disgusting.

I'm not suggesting you go have sex with a male. I'm just point out that there is support against homosexuality in the Bible. Celibacy is an option for homosexuals.

Not in the 1611 version.

What question  

[Kt-Chi]

Baptist Holman

Kt-Chi

Baptist Holman

Kt-Chi

With that beside the point.. you want me to try to be straight again, feeling that everyone hates me, and to feel deeply depressed and suicidal because I cant be what I clearly am?

You want me to... try and actually LIKE the male genitals?
NO.
Disgusting.

I'm not suggesting you go have sex with a male. I'm just point out that there is support against homosexuality in the Bible. Celibacy is an option for homosexuals.

Not in the 1611 version.

What question

Siiiigh.
The bible that does not have the word homosexual in it.