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 Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:18 pm
I've heard Raoul described as a fop in a lot of places. Just what is it that makes him a fop? I can't seem to find anything that really labels him as one.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:20 pm
Actually, Victoria, that is a really good question. What makes a fop a fop?
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:30 pm
1. Has to be rich
2. The hair
3. And as a "slave of fashion"
That's my reason
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:59 pm
A fop is someone who is very narcisstic. Some versions of Raoul could be called foppish, some could be called otherwise, but he is mostly regarded as foppish. So, yeah.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:05 pm
Being a fop isn't necessarily a bad thing. What's wrong with having taste? lol lol lol
confused I'm guessing it's a sign of the times. He is nobility, after all. And Erik does sing "Insolent boy, this slave of fashion", so I guess ol' Raoul could be a fop.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:42 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:11 pm
Thorn Venatrix http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=789742&page=1 Read the arguments and enlighten yourself. And all the rioting ceases like a flame put out by a sudden gush of wind. rofl rofl rofl That was a good rant piece. xd My only guess now is that the people who started this whole fop business way back saw a very flamboyant actor playing Raoul. Eh? Eh? OK, maybe I'm just being silly, but it could happen. whee
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:37 pm
Indeed, Fuoko's thread doth kick a** muchly.
Seriously though... the 'slave of fashion' thing is just silly. Can anyone here tell me the definition of a biased speaker?
Just because Erik says something doesn't make it true. He doesn't even know Raoul.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:32 am
PhantomoftheFox Indeed, Fuoko's thread doth kick a** muchly. Seriously though... the 'slave of fashion' thing is just silly. Can anyone here tell me the definition of a biased speaker? Just because Erik says something doesn't make it true. He doesn't even know Raoul. Well, Erik could know him (after all, Raoul is the new patron, I'm pretty sure with Erik's possesiveness about the opera house there was a bit of spying going on). Though, yeah. Erik is biased. Especially if you take into account that Carlotta wasn't bad in the book. (My God! ALW is biased... who knew?!? *sarcastic cough*)
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:27 pm
~Think I would die~
Erik found out about Erik mainly because 1)(ALW) he was naughtily spying on Christine in her dress room, which Raoul happened enter, dressed in his after-gala finery, or 2)(Leroux) Erik is the all-knowing Opera Ghost who spotted Raoul and Christine on the roof.
Plus, many of the characters are biased.
-Raoul: Biased against Erik because he is not only a rival in love, but after Christine's description Erik becomes little more than a monster in Raoul's eyes.
-Erik: Biased against Raoul because Raoul is "just a know-nothing pretty-boy" who rivals him for Christine's love, and if unfairly in favor because he is a handsome young aristocrat. (I'm not saying that is how I see Raoul because that would be one-dimensional; I'm just saying it because that's how Erik sees him.)
-Madame Giry: Sees Erik as an angel of good will who would treat you well if you served him well (which is rather true)
-Rest of cast, crew and audience in the Paris Opera House: Terrorized by Erik, they only see him as a monster.
Yeah...
~If you were to ignore me~
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:57 pm
PhantomoftheFox Just because Erik says something doesn't make it true. Yeah, well, tell that to the crazy Erik fangirls.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:39 am
I'm trying to, but they never want to listen.
welcometomyhell, I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make there. Are you trying to say that Erik knew Raoul was a fop because he saw him dressed nicely once at the opera, and because of something that hadn't even happened yet in a completely different version?
I'll readily admit that Erik in Leroux certainly knew more about Raoul than the poor boy realized, but in that version Erik never calls him a fop.
And yes, pretty much every character has some irrational bias against another but my point is, are any of them true?
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:58 pm
I personally don't think it's fair to attack Raoul that way. He can't help his upbringing. He didn't ASK to be born a Vicomte. He just goes about his own business the way a typical member of that social class normally would. And of COURSE the Phantom wouldn't like him, because he's competition.
And for the record, Raoul did not just swoop in and steal Christine. He'd known her since they were kids. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS!
*holds up a SUPPORT RAOUL sign*
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:16 pm
Jusy That was a good rant piece. xd My only guess now is that the people who started this whole fop business way back saw a very flamboyant actor playing Raoul. Eh? Eh? OK, maybe I'm just being silly, but it could happen. whee *snort* Just guess who was originally planned to be Raoul in the AWL musical? None other than Micahel Crawford himself but then destiny had other plans with him. xd
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:23 pm
BevinKB Jusy That was a good rant piece. xd My only guess now is that the people who started this whole fop business way back saw a very flamboyant actor playing Raoul. Eh? Eh? OK, maybe I'm just being silly, but it could happen. whee *snort* Just guess who was originally planned to be Raoul in the AWL musical? None other than Micahel Crawford himself but then destiny had other plans with him. xd M-Michael C-Crawford would have been....Raoul? THANK YOU FATE!!
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