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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:07 pm
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You know, telling someone that they should not be a gay stereotype is just as bad, if not worse, than telling someone that they should be more like a gay stereotype. Who the **** are you to tell me who I should be? If your sexual orientation shouldn't define you, why are you putting so much emphasis on being more masculine and "non-gay". Like those guys who call themselves "straight acting". You don't look so straight with a d**k in your mouth!
I am so sick of people sitting there, trying to tell others how they should be. You are not a part of the solution, only a part of the problem! They are no better than those fundamentalist Christians who condemn us to hell. You sit there and complain how the church is denying us our rights while you yourself try to hold other people down for being themselves.
Discuss: Anti-conformity is just as bad, if not worse, than conformity.
Personally, I think anti-conformity is worse than conformity. Yeah, conformists do follow the flock, but anti-conformists not only follow the opposite side of the spectrum, they chastise people for not following their beliefs. I like the way South Park portrayed it, "If you want to be a non-conformist you have to dress like us, talk like us, and listen to the exact same music as us". So in other words, they're glorified, in denial, hypocrites.
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:58 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:13 pm
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You know, I kinda feel your anger.
Did you know that there is just as much hate for the gay community in the gay community as there is in the het community? Granted, Hets are usually more violent, but gays can be mentally violent.
Example: I am a bisexual. I'm engaged to a woman, so people would call me a lesbian. I'm not upset about that. I love girls. I love boys too, so technically I'm bi. I'm in the third lowest category on the totem pole. Drag Queens are the second lowest, because "they're clowns", "women wannabes", and "fake". Transexuals are the lowest because they're all whores.
I'm not trolling, just to let you know, I'm saying what I have gathered in my own studies and other studies I've been on TV and online. It's SAD. Very sad. Masculine gay guys think they're better than feminine gay guys and butch lesbians are seen as man wannabes and lipstick lesbians are actually the least disliked. They still dress like girls, act like girls, smile, flirt, giggle, and are generally what society WANTS them to be, so, apparently, it's acceptable. rolleyes
I think all of that is a form of self hate, then again, it happens too in the het community.
All in all, self hate falls into the same category of stupid as racism, sexism, homophobia, heterophobia, and antisemitism. People just need to learn that we are all different and if you're not waking up next to us every morning, then stfu about how we live.
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:55 pm
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TaoShaman What about the non-conformists that don't chastise people? And aren't you chastising people yourself without knowing them and isn't that in of itself just as bad? Just a question.
True non-conformists don't use the title because doing so makes them exactly what they dislike. If you're truly against the main grain, you just live you life that way without needing any of the recognition, or setting up these rules other people need to follow to be just like you. Labels are a sign of being a poser. Calling yourself a non-conformist, hacker, hippie, etc. is just a way of getting attention. Those who really believe what it means just do it.
No, and it irks me when people try to use that as though it's a good come back. It's the whole, "I know you are, but what am I?" approach to the situation. People use it when they know what I'm saying is true, but don't have any way to rebut it. I know these people very well because I've met numerous copies of them all over the place. It's not like I find out they consider themselves "non-conformists" and suddenly I'm like, oh, they're a moron. I always give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe, JUST MAYBE they won't follow the same path. Guess what? 9 times out of 10 they do. First I'll ask them why they feel that way, and they never have a reason. Everyone is entitled to think the way they want to think, but ignorance and hate are not acceptable.
Midnyt Tyr You know, I kinda feel your anger.
Did you know that there is just as much hate for the gay community in the gay community as there is in the het community? Granted, Hets are usually more violent, but gays can be mentally violent.
Example: I am a bisexual. I'm engaged to a woman, so people would call me a lesbian. I'm not upset about that. I love girls. I love boys too, so technically I'm bi. I'm in the third lowest category on the totem pole. Drag Queens are the second lowest, because "they're clowns", "women wannabes", and "fake". Transexuals are the lowest because they're all whores.
I'm not trolling, just to let you know, I'm saying what I have gathered in my own studies and other studies I've been on TV and online. It's SAD. Very sad. Masculine gay guys think they're better than feminine gay guys and butch lesbians are seen as man wannabes and lipstick lesbians are actually the least disliked. They still dress like girls, act like girls, smile, flirt, giggle, and are generally what society WANTS them to be, so, apparently, it's acceptable. rolleyes
I think all of that is a form of self hate, then again, it happens too in the het community.
All in all, self hate falls into the same category of stupid as racism, sexism, homophobia, heterophobia, and antisemitism. People just need to learn that we are all different and if you're not waking up next to us every morning, then stfu about how we live.
Exactly, as Lincoln said "A house divided against itself cannot stand", and that's what is setting us back. You have those who claim that God saved them from being gay, then you have those who look down on those who fit the gay stereotype, and then you have those that's sole contribution to the community is going out at night and getting laid. It's maddening that people are so confused as to why it's taking so long for us to have our rights. Maybe if we all did our part and stood together, we'd have a solid fight.
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:43 pm
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