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 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:47 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:54 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:33 am
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Okay this is as good as you are going to get it because it is from an offical Harry Potter Spells and Potions web site,
"Veritaserum is a powerful Truth Serum that is most commonly used in interrogation. The potion effectively forces the drinker answer any questions put to them truthfully. Use of the potion is strictly controlled by the Ministry of Magic.[1]
Veritaserum is clear, colourless, and odourless and is almost indistinguishable from water. It can be mixed with any drink, and three drops are a sufficient dose to make the drinker spill out their innermost secrets. It can be resisted through different methods, including Occlumency. According to Severus Snape, the potion must mature for a full lunar phase, and is quite difficult to produce."
No ingredients. You can surmise a guess, by applying other old beliefs. Some plants and animal ingredients have been thought to cause the same effect. Perhaps it's ingredients are plant base more then animal, because animal part tent to change the constancy and color of things to which they are add, if there are any then they'd have to be use in very small quantities and reduced, to get the mix back to a clear and water like. Think like broth. A plant mix would be easier to keep clear and water like. I guess will never know until someone asks JK.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:51 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:07 pm
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Vyalia Foolish Catalyst
Sodium Pentothal perhaps?
Hey, I've just noticed that. Why don't they ever just use normal chemicals? Like, as part of their potions? D'you think they ever experiment with that?Well, chemicals are Science, and Harry Potter is the exact opposite: magic. So probably not. =/
In away they are. Some of there spells are hundreds of years old, and different chemicals are found in different things, in varying amounts. Less then fifty years ago, you had to refine chemicals by hand which was VERY dangerous. Heck salt, regular old table salt, is made of the elements Sodium (Na) and Chlorine (Cl). Sodium is high explosive when expose to water, so it must be kept in immersion in kerosene in a sealed glass. Chlorine is toxic when inhaled as a vapor and was used Korea and WW2 as a weapon. So it's just easier to mine salt, then make it. So let's say a spell calls for pure salt, are you going to put in salt or Sodium and Chlorine and pray it doesn't explode on you?
Also, it's not like wizards and witches have sterile tools and areas to work. Most, I would think, make their potions at home or in a kitchen. Keeping the straight chemicals, free of contaminants would be hard when your house has kids, pets, and mythical pests in it. Yet again Sodium phial breaks and your home goes BOOOM!
They may apply that in places like St. Mungos or in The Ministry, but most spells are discovered, when they are in need by common witches and wizards.
As well elements don't bare any enchantments, as stated by Vyalia above. I think the natural magic of a plant or animal is in some ways transferred to the potion when it's made.
So it would just make more since to handle the ingredients of potions as they occur naturally. They are most often less harmful and anything they can do to harm you can be countered more easily, by a witch or wizard. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:50 pm
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Quote: Some of there spells are hundreds of years old, and different chemicals are found in different things, in varying amounts. Less then fifty years ago, you had to refine chemicals by hand which was VERY dangerous. Heck salt, regular old table salt, is made of the elements Sodium (Na) and Chlorine (Cl). Sodium is high explosive when expose to water, so it must be kept in immersion in kerosene in a sealed glass. Chlorine is toxic when inhaled as a vapor and was used Korea and WW2 as a weapon. So it's just easier to mine salt, then make it. So let's say a spell calls for pure salt, are you going to put in salt or Sodium and Chlorine and pray it doesn't explode on you? Also, it's not like wizards and witches have sterile tools and areas to work. Most, I would think, make their potions at home or in a kitchen. Keeping the straight chemicals, free of contaminants would be hard when your house has kids, pets, and mythical pests in it. Yet again Sodium phial breaks and your home goes BOOOM! They may apply that in places like St. Mungos or in The Ministry, but most spells are discovered, when they are in need by common witches and wizards
Well, obviously I wasn't thinking of them for being used at home. But since all living things are made up of cells and if, like according to that, living things contain some amount of magic, then shouldn't that magic be found in the cells? Which themselves are made from elements, bringing us back to your view that chemistry is all about the periodic table.
Magic could make experimenting safer. I mean, come on. Sodium is used as a raw material in schools. And as we know, not all potions are made my the average wizard in his home, just as we don't make our own medicine or cosmetics.
So, going back to what I was saying before. If elements, when mixed correctly - as in the cell, or whatever - contain magic, wouldn't it sometimes be much more convenient to just use the raw materials. They would be much easier to manipulate. Things that take say, a month to mature, could be sped up by catalysis - and that seems to be a very common occurrence in potions, things taking ages to, well, age or whatever.
Yeah, obviously, if a spell calls for salt, you're going to use salt. That's more convenient anyway.
But say a spell is using... flax. Just something off the top of my head. But the magic they want is contained solely in the cellulose of the cells. Wouldn't it be easier if they could extract the cellulose alone? With a combination of magic and science, it would probably be possible to devise a quasi-simple way of replicating that. Over and over. I mean, cellulose is just Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen, right?
Who says magic and science couldn't work side by side? |
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:20 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:01 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:02 pm
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Foolish Catalyst Quote: Some of there spells are hundreds of years old, and different chemicals are found in different things, in varying amounts. Less then fifty years ago, you had to refine chemicals by hand which was VERY dangerous. Heck salt, regular old table salt, is made of the elements Sodium (Na) and Chlorine (Cl). Sodium is high explosive when expose to water, so it must be kept in immersion in kerosene in a sealed glass. Chlorine is toxic when inhaled as a vapor and was used Korea and WW2 as a weapon. So it's just easier to mine salt, then make it. So let's say a spell calls for pure salt, are you going to put in salt or Sodium and Chlorine and pray it doesn't explode on you? Also, it's not like wizards and witches have sterile tools and areas to work. Most, I would think, make their potions at home or in a kitchen. Keeping the straight chemicals, free of contaminants would be hard when your house has kids, pets, and mythical pests in it. Yet again Sodium phial breaks and your home goes BOOOM! They may apply that in places like St. Mungos or in The Ministry, but most spells are discovered, when they are in need by common witches and wizards
Magic could make experimenting safer. I mean, come on. Sodium is used as a raw material in schools. And as we know, not all potions are made my the average wizard in his home, just as we don't make our own medicine or cosmetics.
So, going back to what I was saying before. If elements, when mixed correctly - as in the cell, or whatever - contain magic, wouldn't it sometimes be much more convenient to just use the raw materials. They would be much easier to manipulate. Things that take say, a month to mature, could be sped up by catalysis - and that seems to be a very common occurrence in potions, things taking ages to, well, age or whatever.
Yeah, obviously, if a spell calls for salt, you're going to use salt. That's more convenient anyway.
But say a spell is using... flax. Just something off the top of my head. But the magic they want is contained solely in the cellulose of the cells. Wouldn't it be easier if they could extract the cellulose alone? With a combination of magic and science, it would probably be possible to devise a quasi-simple way of replicating that. Over and over. I mean, cellulose is just Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen, right?
Who says magic and science couldn't work side by side?
Very good point. Also I believe it is being used now that I dwell on it. Nicholas Flamel was a Alchemist, alchemy is just the old word for science. He used elements to make the Sorcerer's. We muggles even have the directions but they are spake in rhyme, and use abstract references to elements. Here is a link to the site that gives a version of the directions. There are many versions. All call for elements in their purest forms to combine to create this stone. So yes, they do use elements.
Edit: Sorry the Url thing didn't work, for some reason. xp
Here is the site. http://www.levity.com/alchemy/arsenal_.html |
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:58 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:37 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:20 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:12 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:40 pm
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