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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:56 pm
So I have a guy-friend. His name is Josh.
I found out recently that he masturbates. When I walked in on him. eek
I ran out of the room of course, but before that day he told me he was Christian. So I spoke to him the next day about it, (Very uncomfortably) and he said that it's not a sin to masturbate, because you're relieving yourself of sexual urges that the devil is giving you. He called it 'cleansing.'
What do you think I should tell him?
Masturbation is a sin, right?
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:18 pm
Smexasaur So I have a guy-friend. His name is Josh.
I found out recently that he masturbates. When I walked in on him. eek
I ran out of the room of course, but before that day he told me he was Christian. So I spoke to him the next day about it, (Very uncomfortably) and he said that it's not a sin to masturbate, because you're relieving yourself of sexual urges that the devil is giving you. He called it 'cleansing.'
What do you think I should tell him?
Masturbation is a sin, right? Uh....Ok, Masturbation is a sensitive subject to say if it's wrong or not, uh...Personally I think it is kinda wrong and people shouldn't do it. My mother on the other hand (yes my mother) says that she doesn't think it's wrong as long as your not lusting over it or someone if and when you do it........When I heard this I was like ehh.....no i still think it's wrong but whatever. If your friend 'relieves' himself of that sexual urge then all he's doing is giving in to the devil's tempations.... All masturbation creates is false expectations, so when you get married you might think that it will feel this |---------------------------------------------| good, when in reality, it might just be |----------------------------| this good. It's the same with watching porn, but that's it's own deal altogether But all this is actually "natural". It's gonna happen whether the person know or thinks it's a sin or not. Best thing is to pray to God and ask for strength to help break the habit
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:49 pm
etchedspirit Smexasaur So I have a guy-friend. His name is Josh.
I found out recently that he masturbates. When I walked in on him. eek
I ran out of the room of course, but before that day he told me he was Christian. So I spoke to him the next day about it, (Very uncomfortably) and he said that it's not a sin to masturbate, because you're relieving yourself of sexual urges that the devil is giving you. He called it 'cleansing.'
What do you think I should tell him?
Masturbation is a sin, right? Uh....Ok, Masturbation is a sensitive subject to say if it's wrong or not, uh...Personally I think it is kinda wrong and people shouldn't do it. My mother on the other hand (yes my mother) says that she doesn't think it's wrong as long as your not lusting over it or someone if and when you do it........When I heard this I was like ehh.....no i still think it's wrong but whatever. If your friend 'relieves' himself of that sexual urge then all he's doing is giving in to the devil's tempations.... All masturbation creates is false expectations, so when you get married you might think that it will feel this |---------------------------------------------| good, when in reality, it might just be |----------------------------| this good. It's the same with watching porn, but that's it's own deal altogether But all this is actually "natural". It's gonna happen whether the person know or thinks it's a sin or not. Best thing is to pray to God and ask for strength to help break the habit Okay, first off, I would like you to find one guy who has had both his right hand AND another person, and thinks that the hand is better. I can guarantee you, you won't find one. That said, I feel masturbation is completely natural. Ultrasounds have shown fetii masturbating in the womb, babies do it from about the same day they figure out they can move their hands past their stomach, small children will do it without seeing a thing wrong with it, simply because it feels good. It releases dopamines into the brain, calming and relaxing the person. I've read about tribes in Africa where the mothers will masturbate crying children to calm them down. As for your friend's notion of "cleansing", he could have chosen a better way to describe it, but in essence, it is correct. If you don't masturbate for a few days, your lust and self-control in regards to it go completely out of whack. I've read dozens of testimonials from people who gave up masturbating, and days or weeks later, found themselves climbing happily into bed with their girlfriends, boyfriends, friends, or people they met off the street. They could easily control their lusts towards people when they were masturbating, but without that, they have no outlet for those sexual urges. To etchedspirit, I have a question: why is it still wrong if no lust is involved? Isn't lust supposed to be at the root of every kind of sexual immorality? While I feel for you (It's VERY uncomfortable to walk into a room and find your friend/s naked, as I found out a few months ago. @_@ Especially when you have this sneaking suspicion that you might be at the root of it.), I can't really tell you to do anything about it but accept him for it. ^-^; Any questions for me? (I've researched the matter fairly thoroughly.)
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:05 pm
Smexasaur So I have a guy-friend. His name is Josh.
I found out recently that he masturbates. When I walked in on him. eek
I ran out of the room of course, but before that day he told me he was Christian. So I spoke to him the next day about it, (Very uncomfortably) and he said that it's not a sin to masturbate, because you're relieving yourself of sexual urges that the devil is giving you. He called it 'cleansing.'
What do you think I should tell him?
Masturbation is a sin, right? Ya know, if he had someone to give him an alternitive... -_^ then perhaps he wouldn't feel the need. Why not give your friend a hand. I am so going to hell for this but it was just too much fun And I have no idea how to even start chipping at this odd post
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:19 pm
lordstar Smexasaur So I have a guy-friend. His name is Josh.
I found out recently that he masturbates. When I walked in on him. eek
I ran out of the room of course, but before that day he told me he was Christian. So I spoke to him the next day about it, (Very uncomfortably) and he said that it's not a sin to masturbate, because you're relieving yourself of sexual urges that the devil is giving you. He called it 'cleansing.'
What do you think I should tell him?
Masturbation is a sin, right? Ya know, if he had someone to give him an alternitive... -_^ then perhaps he wouldn't feel the need. Why not give your friend a hand. I am so going to hell for this but it was just too much fun And I have no idea how to even start chipping at this odd post
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:21 am
Mein Kulturkampf etchedspirit Smexasaur So I have a guy-friend. His name is Josh.
I found out recently that he masturbates. When I walked in on him. eek
I ran out of the room of course, but before that day he told me he was Christian. So I spoke to him the next day about it, (Very uncomfortably) and he said that it's not a sin to masturbate, because you're relieving yourself of sexual urges that the devil is giving you. He called it 'cleansing.'
What do you think I should tell him?
Masturbation is a sin, right? Uh....Ok, Masturbation is a sensitive subject to say if it's wrong or not, uh...Personally I think it is kinda wrong and people shouldn't do it. My mother on the other hand (yes my mother) says that she doesn't think it's wrong as long as your not lusting over it or someone if and when you do it........When I heard this I was like ehh.....no i still think it's wrong but whatever. If your friend 'relieves' himself of that sexual urge then all he's doing is giving in to the devil's tempations.... All masturbation creates is false expectations, so when you get married you might think that it will feel this |---------------------------------------------| good, when in reality, it might just be |----------------------------| this good. It's the same with watching porn, but that's it's own deal altogether But all this is actually "natural". It's gonna happen whether the person know or thinks it's a sin or not. Best thing is to pray to God and ask for strength to help break the habit Okay, first off, I would like you to find one guy who has had both his right hand AND another person, and thinks that the hand is better. I can guarantee you, you won't find one. That said, I feel masturbation is completely natural. Ultrasounds have shown fetii masturbating in the womb, babies do it from about the same day they figure out they can move their hands past their stomach, small children will do it without seeing a thing wrong with it, simply because it feels good. It releases dopamines into the brain, calming and relaxing the person. I've read about tribes in Africa where the mothers will masturbate crying children to calm them down. As for your friend's notion of "cleansing", he could have chosen a better way to describe it, but in essence, it is correct. If you don't masturbate for a few days, your lust and self-control in regards to it go completely out of whack. I've read dozens of testimonials from people who gave up masturbating, and days or weeks later, found themselves climbing happily into bed with their girlfriends, boyfriends, friends, or people they met off the street. They could easily control their lusts towards people when they were masturbating, but without that, they have no outlet for those sexual urges. To etchedspirit, I have a question: why is it still wrong if no lust is involved? Isn't lust supposed to be at the root of every kind of sexual immorality? While I feel for you (It's VERY uncomfortable to walk into a room and find your friend/s naked, as I found out a few months ago. @_@ Especially when you have this sneaking suspicion that you might be at the root of it.), I can't really tell you to do anything about it but accept him for it. ^-^; Any questions for me? (I've researched the matter fairly thoroughly.) yes the root for sexual immorality is lust....but the root to all sin is selfishness and masturbation is just the fulfilling of one's own selfish desires. it is almost impossible to not have some fantasy going on in your head while masturbating..even if you don't start with one there it forms from b/c the chemicals released in the process move your mind towards that thinking. the essence of relieving one's self is an selfish act in and of it's self. now to Smexasaur: just b/c he does masturbate doesn't mean he isn't a Christian, whoever i don't agree with his point of view that sexual urges are from the devil. God created us to be sexual beings and so in that case sexual urges are completely natural for our bodies and minds to feel. however there are healthy ways to get relief (not through masturbation though). it will be different for each person i'm sure, but if he were to ask God for healthy ways to get read of sexual stress God will provide, for some people it is hard-tiring work for others it could be just praying and reading God's word.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:52 am
trinity343 Mein Kulturkampf etchedspirit Smexasaur So I have a guy-friend. His name is Josh.
I found out recently that he masturbates. When I walked in on him. eek
I ran out of the room of course, but before that day he told me he was Christian. So I spoke to him the next day about it, (Very uncomfortably) and he said that it's not a sin to masturbate, because you're relieving yourself of sexual urges that the devil is giving you. He called it 'cleansing.'
What do you think I should tell him?
Masturbation is a sin, right? Uh....Ok, Masturbation is a sensitive subject to say if it's wrong or not, uh...Personally I think it is kinda wrong and people shouldn't do it. My mother on the other hand (yes my mother) says that she doesn't think it's wrong as long as your not lusting over it or someone if and when you do it........When I heard this I was like ehh.....no i still think it's wrong but whatever. If your friend 'relieves' himself of that sexual urge then all he's doing is giving in to the devil's tempations.... All masturbation creates is false expectations, so when you get married you might think that it will feel this |---------------------------------------------| good, when in reality, it might just be |----------------------------| this good. It's the same with watching porn, but that's it's own deal altogether But all this is actually "natural". It's gonna happen whether the person know or thinks it's a sin or not. Best thing is to pray to God and ask for strength to help break the habit Okay, first off, I would like you to find one guy who has had both his right hand AND another person, and thinks that the hand is better. I can guarantee you, you won't find one. That said, I feel masturbation is completely natural. Ultrasounds have shown fetii masturbating in the womb, babies do it from about the same day they figure out they can move their hands past their stomach, small children will do it without seeing a thing wrong with it, simply because it feels good. It releases dopamines into the brain, calming and relaxing the person. I've read about tribes in Africa where the mothers will masturbate crying children to calm them down. As for your friend's notion of "cleansing", he could have chosen a better way to describe it, but in essence, it is correct. If you don't masturbate for a few days, your lust and self-control in regards to it go completely out of whack. I've read dozens of testimonials from people who gave up masturbating, and days or weeks later, found themselves climbing happily into bed with their girlfriends, boyfriends, friends, or people they met off the street. They could easily control their lusts towards people when they were masturbating, but without that, they have no outlet for those sexual urges. To etchedspirit, I have a question: why is it still wrong if no lust is involved? Isn't lust supposed to be at the root of every kind of sexual immorality? While I feel for you (It's VERY uncomfortable to walk into a room and find your friend/s naked, as I found out a few months ago. @_@ Especially when you have this sneaking suspicion that you might be at the root of it.), I can't really tell you to do anything about it but accept him for it. ^-^; Any questions for me? (I've researched the matter fairly thoroughly.) yes the root for sexual immorality is lust....but the root to all sin is selfishness and masturbation is just the fulfilling of one's own selfish desires. it is almost impossible to not have some fantasy going on in your head while masturbating..even if you don't start with one there it forms from b/c the chemicals released in the process move your mind towards that thinking. the essence of relieving one's self is an selfish act in and of it's self. now to Smexasaur: just b/c he does masturbate doesn't mean he isn't a Christian, whoever i don't agree with his point of view that sexual urges are from the devil. God created us to be sexual beings and so in that case sexual urges are completely natural for our bodies and minds to feel. however there are healthy ways to get relief (not through masturbation though). it will be different for each person i'm sure, but if he were to ask God for healthy ways to get read of sexual stress God will provide, for some people it is hard-tiring work for others it could be just praying and reading God's word. Selfishness implies that someone else could be benifiting as well...and seeing none rise to clame what could be theirs I see no problem.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:37 pm
This is one of those things you really have to pray on. I was about 5 or 6 when I started masturbating, I had a babysitter about 10 years older than me who molested me and that got me started. I never thought it was wrong for a very long time, 27 years to be exact, but I have always had sexual morality issues. I have lived with boyfriends, had extra-maritial sex, one night stands, living like any normal American young woman, sadly.
Even after I was saved I didn't totally "get it". All over the place you see sex, TV, movies, hear about it on the radio, our society excepts many forms of fornication as "normal" or acceptable. Masturbation is no exception. Not until I really accepted that extra-marital sex was wrong did I begin to look upon all aspects of my "sex life". I researched different points of view.
The mainstream point of view is that it is ok to masturbate thinking of having sex with one or more or ____ fill in fantasy; of course to most people it is ok to live with a boyfriend and continue having sex, you know, as long as you are thinking about getting married. How laughable. the problem with this train of thought is that Jesus says Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whoever looks at a woman/man and lusts after her/him has committed adultery with her/him already in his heart. When you imagine someone you "see" them, you are committing adultery, even if you don't know them, the lust is still there. God created sex to be enjoyed between two married people, not by yourself. It is much more satisfying when it is done this way and there is no guilt, nothing to hide.
Next you have a middle of the road point of view, who says it's ok to masturbate as long as you are thinking of your husband/wife or if you are single if you think of something non-sex related, like a burning tree. This middle-of-the-road theory is just a compromise to sin. Again you are lusting in your heart for your spouse, and that is wrong. It is wrong for a husband to use his wife as an object of gratification. I'm sure you agree! Even if you are married and masturbate thinking of your spouse you are misusing that gift of sexuality God gave you. As for the being single and thinking of a non-sexual image while masturbating; again you are misusing your gift but this leaves room to actually think of a person; it is very hard being a teenager or older to not think of others while masturbating.
Lastly is the Biblical ideal which does not name masturbation specifically as off limits. I personally believe that inside a marriage masturbation is ok as long as it is not a result of lust. But again pray on this, let the Lord guide you.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:36 pm
Incarcerated_love This is one of those things you really have to pray on. I was about 5 or 6 when I started masturbating, I had a babysitter about 10 years older than me who molested me and that got me started. I never thought it was wrong for a very long time, 27 years to be exact, but I have always had sexual morality issues. I have lived with boyfriends, had extra-maritial sex, one night stands, living like any normal American young woman, sadly. Even after I was saved I didn't totally "get it". All over the place you see sex, TV, movies, hear about it on the radio, our society excepts many forms of fornication as "normal" or acceptable. Masturbation is no exception. Not until I really accepted that extra-marital sex was wrong did I begin to look upon all aspects of my "sex life". I researched different points of view. The mainstream point of view is that it is ok to masturbate thinking of having sex with one or more or ____ fill in fantasy; of course to most people it is ok to live with a boyfriend and continue having sex, you know, as long as you are thinking about getting married. How laughable. the problem with this train of thought is that Jesus says Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whoever looks at a woman/man and lusts after her/him has committed adultery with her/him already in his heart. When you imagine someone you "see" them, you are committing adultery, even if you don't know them, the lust is still there. God created sex to be enjoyed between two married people, not by yourself. It is much more satisfying when it is done this way and there is no guilt, nothing to hide. Next you have a middle of the road point of view, who says it's ok to masturbate as long as you are thinking of your husband/wife or if you are single if you think of something non-sex related, like a burning tree. This middle-of-the-road theory is just a compromise to sin. Again you are lusting in your heart for your spouse, and that is wrong. It is wrong for a husband to use his wife as an object of gratification. I'm sure you agree! Even if you are married and masturbate thinking of your spouse you are misusing that gift of sexuality God gave you. As for the being single and thinking of a non-sexual image while masturbating; again you are misusing your gift but this leaves room to actually think of a person; it is very hard being a teenager or older to not think of others while masturbating. Lastly is the Biblical ideal which does not name masturbation specifically as off limits. I personally believe that inside a marriage masturbation is ok as long as it is not a result of lust. But again pray on this, let the Lord guide you. I kind of agree with you and at the same time I don't. Why would it be wrong to lust over your own spouse.....? They are married to you. And....why the heck would anyone want to mastercate while they are married anyway? All they have to do is ask their partner to have intercourse with them and then their sexual need are met.....then again the other person might not be up for it at the moment...hmmmm
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:29 pm
Masturbation? There's hardly any clarity on it in the Bible. Traditions will usually say that it is wrong, but, as they are traditions, we cannot take them as wholly right. If you believe what you believe and can reasonably justify it then whatever. If you believe what you believe and can not reasonably justify it...then you're not right, and you are spreading false witness.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:50 am
The idea that masturbation is wrong usually stems from the fact that it provides physical pleasure, which a lot of older traditional Christians consider wrong. Nowhere in the bible does it say anything about masturbation being wrong (or right, for that matter) so it's open to quite a fair bit of interpretation. The problem is that it's usually quite interpreted in many different ways. There are those who say it's flat out wrong, and you'll go to hell if you do it, and there's those who say it's perfectly fine and to enjoy it, and lots of people in the middle saying that it's alright once in a while, or only if you aren't in a relationship, or so long as you don't fantasize over a person while doing it, to some crazy who may think it's only alright on the 4th day of the month if there's a full moon. The problem is it isn't defined anywhere, so the only thing people can offer is an opinion on the matter.
Let your friend enjoy it if his opinion of the matter is that it's alright to do. Since there's no right or wrong according to the bible with it, and you'll get a multitude of opinions depending on who you talk to (and again, they're *just* opinions), and believe what you want to believe and do it (or not) according to your own opinion.
Personally, I believe that hunting is wrong unless it's for a need of food, and since there are cows that died to stock my supermarket with meat that will go bad if I don't buy from them (they're going to stock the same amount anyway), I think it's wasteful for me to go kill another animal for food when it's readily available at the market and died for me to eat it anyway. I also am appalled at people who find "sport" in hunting defenseless creatures - it's like they enjoy killing. But I don't let my beliefs in that affect others, for instance. I don't tell people they're wrong for hunting, as it's just my opinion. The bible does mention killing as being a sin, but many many exceptions are made for food, and never once does it take into account the readily available items at the market place that make hunting unnecessary, so all I have is my opinion of the matter. Thus, I don't force it on anybody else. You should do the same.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:20 am
lordstar trinity343 Mein Kulturkampf etchedspirit Smexasaur So I have a guy-friend. His name is Josh.
I found out recently that he masturbates. When I walked in on him. eek
I ran out of the room of course, but before that day he told me he was Christian. So I spoke to him the next day about it, (Very uncomfortably) and he said that it's not a sin to masturbate, because you're relieving yourself of sexual urges that the devil is giving you. He called it 'cleansing.'
What do you think I should tell him?
Masturbation is a sin, right? Uh....Ok, Masturbation is a sensitive subject to say if it's wrong or not, uh...Personally I think it is kinda wrong and people shouldn't do it. My mother on the other hand (yes my mother) says that she doesn't think it's wrong as long as your not lusting over it or someone if and when you do it........When I heard this I was like ehh.....no i still think it's wrong but whatever. If your friend 'relieves' himself of that sexual urge then all he's doing is giving in to the devil's tempations.... All masturbation creates is false expectations, so when you get married you might think that it will feel this |---------------------------------------------| good, when in reality, it might just be |----------------------------| this good. It's the same with watching porn, but that's it's own deal altogether But all this is actually "natural". It's gonna happen whether the person know or thinks it's a sin or not. Best thing is to pray to God and ask for strength to help break the habit Okay, first off, I would like you to find one guy who has had both his right hand AND another person, and thinks that the hand is better. I can guarantee you, you won't find one. That said, I feel masturbation is completely natural. Ultrasounds have shown fetii masturbating in the womb, babies do it from about the same day they figure out they can move their hands past their stomach, small children will do it without seeing a thing wrong with it, simply because it feels good. It releases dopamines into the brain, calming and relaxing the person. I've read about tribes in Africa where the mothers will masturbate crying children to calm them down. As for your friend's notion of "cleansing", he could have chosen a better way to describe it, but in essence, it is correct. If you don't masturbate for a few days, your lust and self-control in regards to it go completely out of whack. I've read dozens of testimonials from people who gave up masturbating, and days or weeks later, found themselves climbing happily into bed with their girlfriends, boyfriends, friends, or people they met off the street. They could easily control their lusts towards people when they were masturbating, but without that, they have no outlet for those sexual urges. To etchedspirit, I have a question: why is it still wrong if no lust is involved? Isn't lust supposed to be at the root of every kind of sexual immorality? While I feel for you (It's VERY uncomfortable to walk into a room and find your friend/s naked, as I found out a few months ago. @_@ Especially when you have this sneaking suspicion that you might be at the root of it.), I can't really tell you to do anything about it but accept him for it. ^-^; Any questions for me? (I've researched the matter fairly thoroughly.) yes the root for sexual immorality is lust....but the root to all sin is selfishness and masturbation is just the fulfilling of one's own selfish desires. it is almost impossible to not have some fantasy going on in your head while masturbating..even if you don't start with one there it forms from b/c the chemicals released in the process move your mind towards that thinking. the essence of relieving one's self is an selfish act in and of it's self. now to Smexasaur: just b/c he does masturbate doesn't mean he isn't a Christian, whoever i don't agree with his point of view that sexual urges are from the devil. God created us to be sexual beings and so in that case sexual urges are completely natural for our bodies and minds to feel. however there are healthy ways to get relief (not through masturbation though). it will be different for each person i'm sure, but if he were to ask God for healthy ways to get read of sexual stress God will provide, for some people it is hard-tiring work for others it could be just praying and reading God's word. Selfishness implies that someone else could be benifiting as well...and seeing none rise to clame what could be theirs I see no problem. since when does being selfish imply that someone else could benefit? isn't the very meaning of being selfish to benefit one's self without regard to anyone else?
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:01 pm
etchedspirit Incarcerated_love This is one of those things you really have to pray on. I was about 5 or 6 when I started masturbating, I had a babysitter about 10 years older than me who molested me and that got me started. I never thought it was wrong for a very long time, 27 years to be exact, but I have always had sexual morality issues. I have lived with boyfriends, had extra-maritial sex, one night stands, living like any normal American young woman, sadly. Even after I was saved I didn't totally "get it". All over the place you see sex, TV, movies, hear about it on the radio, our society excepts many forms of fornication as "normal" or acceptable. Masturbation is no exception. Not until I really accepted that extra-marital sex was wrong did I begin to look upon all aspects of my "sex life". I researched different points of view. The mainstream point of view is that it is ok to masturbate thinking of having sex with one or more or ____ fill in fantasy; of course to most people it is ok to live with a boyfriend and continue having sex, you know, as long as you are thinking about getting married. How laughable. the problem with this train of thought is that Jesus says Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whoever looks at a woman/man and lusts after her/him has committed adultery with her/him already in his heart. When you imagine someone you "see" them, you are committing adultery, even if you don't know them, the lust is still there. God created sex to be enjoyed between two married people, not by yourself. It is much more satisfying when it is done this way and there is no guilt, nothing to hide. Next you have a middle of the road point of view, who says it's ok to masturbate as long as you are thinking of your husband/wife or if you are single if you think of something non-sex related, like a burning tree. This middle-of-the-road theory is just a compromise to sin. Again you are lusting in your heart for your spouse, and that is wrong. It is wrong for a husband to use his wife as an object of gratification. I'm sure you agree! Even if you are married and masturbate thinking of your spouse you are misusing that gift of sexuality God gave you. As for the being single and thinking of a non-sexual image while masturbating; again you are misusing your gift but this leaves room to actually think of a person; it is very hard being a teenager or older to not think of others while masturbating. Lastly is the Biblical ideal which does not name masturbation specifically as off limits. I personally believe that inside a marriage masturbation is ok as long as it is not a result of lust. But again pray on this, let the Lord guide you. I kind of agree with you and at the same time I don't. Why would it be wrong to lust over your own spouse.....? They are married to you. And....why the heck would anyone want to mastercate while they are married anyway? All they have to do is ask their partner to have intercourse with them and then their sexual need are met.....then again the other person might not be up for it at the moment...hmmmm Ok I was married for 5 years. My ex-husband forced me to have sex with him. That's not sex out of love, that's sex out of lust. This is an example.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:18 pm
PhaseBurn 1. The idea that masturbation is wrong usually stems from the fact that it provides physical pleasure, 2. which a lot of older traditional Christians consider wrong. 3. Nowhere in the bible does it say anything about masturbation being wrong (or right, for that matter) so it's open to quite a fair bit of interpretation. 1. This is an assumption, the Bible says nothing about people never enjoying themselves physically. God has given us many things that are physically pleasureful, take food for one. God made many, many varieties of different tastes and textures that is physically pleasing, though over indulgence is a sin (gluttony) and makes you fat. God gave us our bodies for people to play sports with, which is also physically pleasureful. I could go on. This is a false statement unless you don't believe in that Bible. 2. A generalization, if Jesus were going to your church do you think He would like the attitude? How did Jesus react to Mary Madeline after she was found guilty of adultery? He didn't throw any stones did he? No, a church as a body should reflect Jesus, a person should reflect Jesus. But we don't, not too many people seek the Lord, or even spend much time with Him at all. The church, or any church is going to have it's problems, just like we all have sin to deal with. You can not blame God for man's short comings. 3. Yes, you are absolutely right! the Bible doesn't say masturbation is wrong. It says lust is wrong! Be very careful about interpretations, you will know if it is God lead. Question the Lord if you have a problem with a verse or an issue that your Church is teaching you. It might just be that you are feeling convicted.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:44 pm
If anyone here has mentioned sperm being sacred... they die and replenish once every 2 weeks.
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