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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:34 pm
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:29 pm
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:40 am
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A Pharmaceutical Bandit Einherjar O D I N Ganondorf got the worst of it, followed by Falcon. The only improvement is the turn around Ganon/Falcon Punch. Pharma; I gotta play you again sometime man. Now that my mains have changed. smile Oh? Who have you been using? I've honestly been straying away from ICs lately, and I've been focusing on Fox. Too much fun, and a lot of potential. Plus, gotta love his shine mindgames whee But I literally have not been on wifi basically since we last played. ICs are near useless on wifi, and I've never tried my Fox there. So it'd be interesting, but I wouldn't expect a decent representative of my Fox confused
Yeah, wi-fi does that.
Snake, Falco, a little MK, Bowser, and some Marth. Mostly Snake and Falco. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:15 pm
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Einherjar O D I N A Pharmaceutical Bandit Einherjar O D I N Ganondorf got the worst of it, followed by Falcon. The only improvement is the turn around Ganon/Falcon Punch. Pharma; I gotta play you again sometime man. Now that my mains have changed. smile Oh? Who have you been using? I've honestly been straying away from ICs lately, and I've been focusing on Fox. Too much fun, and a lot of potential. Plus, gotta love his shine mindgames whee But I literally have not been on wifi basically since we last played. ICs are near useless on wifi, and I've never tried my Fox there. So it'd be interesting, but I wouldn't expect a decent representative of my Fox confused Yeah, wi-fi does that. Snake, Falco, a little MK, Bowser, and some Marth. Mostly Snake and Falco.
Thank god you didn't say you main MK. I can't stand him and his... broken...ness. Even using a character with something like 30:70, it's still a lame fight.
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:03 pm
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This is how I see it(Not counting Final Smashes. Anything about them will be in between "!"):
Mario - Nerfed. His d-Special is completely useless. It takes to long to charge, and when it is, it hardly does anything. It pushes your opponent back a bit but that's it. !Not to mention he has one of the worst(imo) Final Smashes in the game.!
Luigi - About the same. He seems more slide-y, but other then that he's pretty much the same. I'd even go as far as to say he's been buffed giving that you can hold his missile forever now, and his "Fire Jump"(or whatever) seems to land easier now, and he has more mobility in the air(he doesn't fall so straight after his u-Special).
Peach - About the same. Yes, her jump normal jump has been destroyed. But he parasol is much better now, her Peach Bomber has been completely revamped(no lag after use now, much easier to hit with). Her forward throw may be REALLY weak now, and she may be slower, but she seems stronger with many of her basic attacks. Her tilt-up attack is much better now, it has big range and has decent knockback. Also, I seem to get hit less with her in Brawl then in Melee. *I Mained her in Melee*
Bowser - Buffed. Heavier and stronger. He's slower, but his f-Special is WAY better now. His smash moves are overly effective if you can land them. Not much else... He's just better then his horrible Melee counterpart.
Yoshi - Nerfed. I don't know what it is... I just find Yoshi to be so much more... worse. It's obviously been weakened. The only thing really new, that's good, is now it has a third jump.(Throwing an egg bumps you up a little).
Donkey Kong - Buffed. He's stronger. Everything else is the same.
Link - Nerfed. I've never found him to be any good, but now... he just can't stand up against most of the characters. His Boomerang is the one from Twilight Princess... it hardly does, if it does, any damage at all.
Zelda - Buffed. She was already strong in Melee, but no they decided to make most of her attacks slightly stronger. Revamp her Din's fire by increasing Distance, Damage, and Explosion Range(It's HUGE now). She's faster and also has a better jump. What did they make worse? Her transformation time. But who wants to be Shiek anymore? ...
Shiek - Nerfed. Shiek has been weakened. And everything about her is just... lacking compared to Zelda now. Did she get lighter, or did Zelda get heavier? o.o =Her "stroll"(faster then walking) is REALLY fast=
Ganondorf - Nerfed. He's WAY to slow, the lag after landing and most of his attacks is killer, and he hardly jumps at all. Yes, he's stronger. But really, it can be near impossible beating people who are experts with fast characters.(i.e. Sonic, Fox, Captain Falcon)
Samus - About the same. She doesn't have her bomb jump anymore, but she's still puts up a fight. !Her Final Smash is amazing in linear and small stages.!
Kirby - Buffed. I find him stronger. He wasn't very good in Melee, so I'm glad they fixed him a bit. And his f-Special in the air is powerful now.
Pikachu - Buffed. Pikachu is faster and stronger. It's Headbutt/Skullbash(whatever) is weaker now, but I can really put on the hurt with this guy. I hated using him in Melee.
Jigglypuff - About the same. Her ground attacks are lackluster, but she can be a wall of hurt in the air.
Fox - About the same. He's slightly weaker, maybe. But really, I still think he's to strong. sweatdrop
Falco - Nerfed. He's really weak now. I like his multi-hitting though. It's cool. xP
Captain Falcon - Nerfed. He's just weak now. I seem to miss a lot more now too. xD Probably because of the more... air fighting-ness. And his air attacks just suck.
Ness - About the same. PK Flash is stronger. But other then that, he still sucks. (Worst character in my opinion.)
Ice Climbers - About the same. They are slower, but some of their attacks are stronger so that makes up for it. !They have the worst Final Smash in the game, in my humble opinion.!
Marth - About the same. He's still fast and strong. He might be slightly weaker, but that's about it.
Mr. Game and Watch - Buffed. He's stronger. And some of his moves have been tweaked.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:29 pm
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Quote: Corey -Stan- -------
This is how I see it(Not counting Final Smashes. Anything about them will be in between "!"):
Mario - Nerfed. His d-Special is completely useless. It takes to long to charge, and when it is, it hardly does anything. It pushes your opponent back a bit but that's it. !Not to mention he has one of the worst(imo) Final Smashes in the game.!
Luigi - About the same. He seems more slide-y, but other then that he's pretty much the same. I'd even go as far as to say he's been buffed giving that you can hold his missile forever now, and his "Fire Jump"(or whatever) seems to land easier now, and he has more mobility in the air(he doesn't fall so straight after his u-Special).
Peach - About the same. Yes, her jump normal jump has been destroyed. But he parasol is much better now, her Peach Bomber has been completely revamped(no lag after use now, much easier to hit with). Her forward throw may be REALLY weak now, and she may be slower, but she seems stronger with many of her basic attacks. Her tilt-up attack is much better now, it has big range and has decent knockback. Also, I seem to get hit less with her in Brawl then in Melee. *I Mained her in Melee*
Bowser - Buffed. Heavier and stronger. He's slower, but his f-Special is WAY better now. His smash moves are overly effective if you can land them. Not much else... He's just better then his horrible Melee counterpart.
Yoshi - Nerfed. I don't know what it is... I just find Yoshi to be so much more... worse. It's obviously been weakened. The only thing really new, that's good, is now it has a third jump.(Throwing an egg bumps you up a little).
Donkey Kong - Buffed. He's stronger. Everything else is the same.
Link - Nerfed. I've never found him to be any good, but now... he just can't stand up against most of the characters. His Boomerang is the one from Twilight Princess... it hardly does, if it does, any damage at all.
Zelda - Buffed. She was already strong in Melee, but no they decided to make most of her attacks slightly stronger. Revamp her Din's fire by increasing Distance, Damage, and Explosion Range(It's HUGE now). She's faster and also has a better jump. What did they make worse? Her transformation time. But who wants to be Shiek anymore? ...
Shiek - Nerfed. Shiek has been weakened. And everything about her is just... lacking compared to Zelda now. Did she get lighter, or did Zelda get heavier? o.o =Her "stroll"(faster then walking) is REALLY fast=
Ganondorf - Nerfed. He's WAY to slow, the lag after landing and most of his attacks is killer, and he hardly jumps at all. Yes, he's stronger. But really, it can be near impossible beating people who are experts with fast characters.(i.e. Sonic, Fox, Captain Falcon)
Samus - About the same. She doesn't have her bomb jump anymore, but she's still puts up a fight. !Her Final Smash is amazing in linear and small stages.!
Kirby - Buffed. I find him stronger. He wasn't very good in Melee, so I'm glad they fixed him a bit. And his f-Special in the air is powerful now.
Pikachu - Buffed. Pikachu is faster and stronger. It's Headbutt/Skullbash(whatever) is weaker now, but I can really put on the hurt with this guy. I hated using him in Melee.
Jigglypuff - About the same. Her ground attacks are lackluster, but she can be a wall of hurt in the air.
Fox - About the same. He's slightly weaker, maybe. But really, I still think he's to strong. sweatdrop
Falco - Nerfed. He's really weak now. I like his multi-hitting though. It's cool. xP
Captain Falcon - Nerfed. He's just weak now. I seem to miss a lot more now too. xD Probably because of the more... air fighting-ness. And his air attacks just suck.
Ness - About the same. PK Flash is stronger. But other then that, he still sucks. (Worst character in my opinion.)
Ice Climbers - About the same. They are slower, but some of their attacks are stronger so that makes up for it. !They have the worst Final Smash in the game, in my humble opinion.!
Marth - About the same. He's still fast and strong. He might be slightly weaker, but that's about it.
Mr. Game and Watch - Buffed. He's stronger. And some of his moves have been tweaked.
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Fox was nerfed. A lot. With the lack of hitstun, his comboing is near impossible. Nerfed. Caption Falcon wasn't just nerfed, he was MEGA-ULTRA-NEEEERFED. He's pretty much garbage now. His only even matchups are against Ganondorf and Squirtle, literally everything else is a disadvantage. Ice Climbers got a bit of a buff. Alternating grabs is brutal, and almost always means the loss of a stock if the player knows what he's doing. Falco wasn't really nerfed. He's different, but not nerfed. While he can't pillar anymore, he has a very good chaingrab which can result in a stock if done properly, as well as one of the best projectiles in the game, and very good edge guarding capabilities. I'd call nerf on Jiggles. Samus was way nerfed. Way too floaty, crappy priority, not-so-great recovery. Marth got a very slight nerf, but it's not too big of a deal, since he doesn't have many bad matchups. Ness would be a great character if it wasn't for the grab-release infinite's on him. Those are just dumb. But yeah, everything else seems to be about right. I'm personally most happy with Donkey Kong's buff. Double SHBairs are awesome. Oh, and about Mario's FLUDD... it's not actually that bad at all. Most people think it's useless at first, but it's very useful as an edge-guarder, and some even argue for his recovery. Mario was nerfed pretty bad, though. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:39 pm
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I see, I see.
This is why I dislike coming to this guild so much. Some people are so arrogant.
Not everyone(none that I know) uses "alternating grabs", or even knows what "grab-release infinites" are. Using those to tell how "good" a character is only applies to those using them, or know how they affect you. I don't, so it really doesn't effect my choices.
And Ness... a great character? Coming from the guy who said Lucas is weak. Have you ever compared them?
Not only does Ness have one of the worst smash moves in the game, Lucas does mostly everything better. Ness has PK Flash, yes. But it's harder to use then PK Freeze. Lucas' PK Thunder has a tighter turn, and passes through other players. Ness' PK Magnet covers him, but Lucas' can be used as an attack. Ness just has a better PK Fire for damage, while Lucas' has a better knockback. Let's not forget Lucas' kicks Ness' a** in the air(imo, some people disagree, but I hate Ness' aerial attacks).
Really you're the first person I've ever met who has said that Ness could/is(if you ignore grab-release infinite[whatever that is]) and that Lucas is weak. Either you are extremely bias, or are playing a different game.
I don't see how Ness could be a great character.
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:40 pm
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Quote: Fox was nerfed. A lot. With the lack of hitstun, his comboing is near impossible. Nerfed.
lolwut? I find his comboing easy to do. I didn't even notice there was no "hit stun" until you mentioned it.
Quote: Caption Falcon wasn't just nerfed, he was MEGA-ULTRA-NEEEERFED. He's pretty much garbage now. His only even matchups are against Ganondorf and Squirtle, literally everything else is a disadvantage.
I think you are possibly the only person I have ever met that dislikes Squirtle, or thinks he is a bad character. Or are you not saying that?
Quote: Ice Climbers got a bit of a buff. Alternating grabs is brutal, and almost always means the loss of a stock if the player knows what he's doing.
Alternating grabs? Isn't that a cheap move? If you have to do that too win/play why are you even playing?
Quote: Falco wasn't really nerfed. He's different, but not nerfed. While he can't pillar anymore, he has a very good chaingrab which can result in a stock if done properly, as well as one of the best projectiles in the game, and very good edge guarding capabilities.
Why would you chaingrab? That's a hell of a lot of work when you could just button mash. Also, I think his projectile is one of the worst. It's not that powerful, and it barely goes anywhere. Yeah, it reflects things, but Zelda's NL is better at protecting herself and stunning her opponent IMO.
Quote: I'd call nerf on Jiggles.
Why?
Quote: Samus was way nerfed. Way too floaty, crappy priority, not-so-great recovery.
I like her better in Brawl. I find her more balanced. Floaty = bad?
Quote: Marth got a very slight nerf, but it's not too big of a deal, since he doesn't have many bad matchups.
What nerf? His Shield Breaker?
Quote: Ness would be a great character if it wasn't for the grab-release infinite's on him. Those are just dumb.
Again, not a view shared by most Brawlers I have met. Near everyone believes him to be the worst character in the game.
Quote: But yeah, everything else seems to be about right.
Says you. Since when were you an official Nintendo SSBB spokesman and expert? I highly doubt your opinion is any more valid than his.
Quote: Oh, and about Mario's FLUDD... it's not actually that bad at all. Most people think it's useless at first, but it's very useful as an edge-guarder, and some even argue for his recovery. Mario was nerfed pretty bad, though.
I have found it to be utterly pointless. It barely pushed someone back, does no damage, and have not see how it can be a decent recovery. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:53 pm
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Quote: Corey -Stan- -------
I see, I see.
This is why I dislike coming to this guild so much. Some people are so arrogant.
Not everyone(none that I know) uses "alternating grabs", or even knows what "grab-release infinites" are. Using those to tell how "good" a character is only applies to those using them, or know how they affect you. I don't, so it really doesn't effect my choices.
And Ness... a great character? Coming from the guy who said Lucas is weak. Have you ever compared them?
Not only does Ness have one of the worst smash moves in the game, Lucas does mostly everything better. Ness has PK Flash, yes. But it's harder to use then PK Freeze. Lucas' PK Thunder has a tighter turn, and passes through other players. Ness' PK Magnet covers him, but Lucas' can be used as an attack. Ness just has a better PK Fire for damage, while Lucas' has a better knockback. Let's not forget Lucas' kicks Ness' a** in the air(imo, some people disagree, but I hate Ness' aerial attacks).
Really you're the first person I've ever met who has said that Ness could/is(if you ignore grab-release infinite[whatever that is]) and that Lucas is weak. Either you are extremely bias, or are playing a different game.
I don't see how Ness could be a great character.
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I'm really not being arrogant, and I apologize if it came off that way, I was just adding to it, really. So let's relax, and try to avoid being hostile, okay? When I talk about a character, I talk about that character being used at it's top potential (or what is the top potential at the moment). With Ice Climbers, alternating grabs is an EXTREMELY important part of their game. Maybe you are your friends don't use it, but you are your friends are apparently not taking advantage of their strengths (please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I do, and I'm not trying to say I'm better than you, just giving the facts). Alternating grabs is used by EVERY competitive-level Ice Climber user. As for the grab-release infinite, it's an infinite. It's a massive disadvantage for Lucas and Ness. A player using Marth will take your stock from you, guaranteed, with one grab. This gives Ness and Lucas a huge disadvantage against characters that can do this, and that should definitely be taken into account when you're talking about how good a character can perform. Okay, I was exaggerating a little when I said "great character." He would surely be middle tier, though, along with Lucas (who is better than Ness, yes). I've always liked Ness more than Lucas, though. I like his tilts more, and he has an amazing spike (and pillar spiking is amazing). You're right that Lucas is definitely better, though. Just not by too much. Oh, grab release infinite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ-AKKso_Po . Due to the laggy recovery Ness and Lucas have after being released from a grab, some characters with longer grab ranges can regrab them before they have a chance to get away. Quote: Kyle Riley Quote: Fox was nerfed. A lot. With the lack of hitstun, his comboing is near impossible. Nerfed. lolwut? I find his comboing easy to do. I didn't even notice there was no "hit stun" until you mentioned it. Quote: Caption Falcon wasn't just nerfed, he was MEGA-ULTRA-NEEEERFED. He's pretty much garbage now. His only even matchups are against Ganondorf and Squirtle, literally everything else is a disadvantage. I think you are possibly the only person I have ever met that dislikes Squirtle, or thinks he is a bad character. Or are you not saying that? Quote: Ice Climbers got a bit of a buff. Alternating grabs is brutal, and almost always means the loss of a stock if the player knows what he's doing. Alternating grabs? Isn't that a cheap move? If you have to do that too win/play why are you even playing? Quote: Falco wasn't really nerfed. He's different, but not nerfed. While he can't pillar anymore, he has a very good chaingrab which can result in a stock if done properly, as well as one of the best projectiles in the game, and very good edge guarding capabilities. Why would you chaingrab? That's a hell of a lot of work when you could just button mash. Also, I think his projectile is one of the worst. It's not that powerful, and it barely goes anywhere. Yeah, it reflects things, but Zelda's NL is better at protecting herself and stunning her opponent IMO. Quote: I'd call nerf on Jiggles. Why? Quote: Samus was way nerfed. Way too floaty, crappy priority, not-so-great recovery. I like her better in Brawl. I find her more balanced. Floaty = bad? Quote: Marth got a very slight nerf, but it's not too big of a deal, since he doesn't have many bad matchups. What nerf? His Shield Breaker? Quote: Ness would be a great character if it wasn't for the grab-release infinite's on him. Those are just dumb. Again, not a view shared by most Brawlers I have met. Near everyone believes him to be the worst character in the game. Quote: But yeah, everything else seems to be about right. Says you. Since when were you an official Nintendo SSBB spokesman and expert? I highly doubt your opinion is any more valid than his. Quote: Oh, and about Mario's FLUDD... it's not actually that bad at all. Most people think it's useless at first, but it's very useful as an edge-guarder, and some even argue for his recovery. Mario was nerfed pretty bad, though. I have found it to be utterly pointless. It barely pushed someone back, does no damage, and have not see how it can be a decent recovery. Fox can be shield-grabbed way too easy from almost all of his combo-starters. Unless the player DI's poorly, it's hard to get a successful combo off with Fox against a good opponent. I didn't say Squirtle is a bad character. Squirtle is a fine character, he just happens to (somehow) have a disadvantage against Caption Falcon. Alternating grabs is definitely not cheap. It's a viable technique that is not easy to pull off, and a good opponent can easily avoid and break out of. And I play to win, for the record. Not to say I don't play for fun with friends. Why would I chain grab? Because it's extremely useful. Why WOULDN'T you chain grab? Button mashing will get you nowhere, I promise. Falco's projectile is good because it's spam-able, does decent damage, and you can get locked in it which is always a plus. Jiggles dies a lot easier now. She can't combo as well, and her down-b was nerfed bad crying Yeah, floaty it certainly not good. Too easy to punish her in the air. His shield breaker was nerfed for sure, but again, the overall lack of hitstun makes it very difficult for him to combo against a good opponent. Not shared by the average Brawler, yes, but I'm talking about the competitive community when I talk about Brawl. So maybe much of what I say doesn't apply to you or your friends. Well, I probably research this stuff a lot more than he does. You can call me pathetic for that if you'd like, I don't mind, but when you're playing for money, it's good to know as much as possible about each character. The FLUDD gives Mario a little push, and it gimps the hell out of some character's recovery (Fox, Falco, Wolf, Samus for example). But, uh, can we all stop being so hostile? I'm really not trying to insult anyone here, I'm not sure why you're attacking me so much sweatdrop |
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:50 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:32 pm
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:54 pm
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