Odd dreams

[xeidrii]

I'm thinking this should probably go into the math/science forum...but that place looked kinda dead and I wasn't sure if anyone would find my post there.

Anyways...

I have a few questions concerning my dreams. First of all, almost every dream I remember followed some kind of elaborate plot that actually made sense when I woke up. For example, I once dreamed of a medieval, but futuristic city that relied on a complicated river system and was experiencing a drought. My friend (who's really my neighbor in real life) had abandoned that city to live in a village that was submerged underwater. I prefered land, so I went down and argued with her to stay, and then the plot kind of developed into something concerning a demon, a dam, and another female who was telling me about a magic circle below the dam. I won't go into the details.

What I want to know is...how is my subconcious mind fabricating these stories out of air when I spend hours of daylight trying to come up with a tale and get next to nothing?

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I also get a lot of tidal waves in my dreams. For some reason, after one comes, more and more come after it. But they only come when I'm in the water, so I always swim under them instead of running away and that got me thinking...

Can you swim under a tidal wave in real life to save yourself?  

[Yojimbo_sureibu]

xeidrii

I'm thinking this should probably go into the math/science forum...but that place looked kinda dead and I wasn't sure if anyone would find my post there.

Anyways...

I have a few questions concerning my dreams. First of all, almost every dream I remember followed some kind of elaborate plot that actually made sense when I woke up. For example, I once dreamed of a medieval, but futuristic city that relied on a complicated river system and was experiencing a drought. My friend (who's really my neighbor in real life) had abandoned that city to live in a village that was submerged underwater. I prefered land, so I went down and argued with her to stay, and then the plot kind of developed into something concerning a demon, a dam, and another female who was telling me about a magic circle below the dam. I won't go into the details.

What I want to know is...how is my subconcious mind fabricating these stories out of air when I spend hours of daylight trying to come up with a tale and get next to nothing?

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I also get a lot of tidal waves in my dreams. For some reason, after one comes, more and more come after it. But they only come when I'm in the water, so I always swim under them instead of running away and that got me thinking...

Can you swim under a tidal wave in real life to save yourself?

Yes you can, because through experience, you stay below course of action, and barely moe at all, while if you were over, you get carried, then smashed by the forced of any debris, and the actuall wave.

But on the subject at hand. The funny thing about dreams is they only seem random. I don't know where to start...

You seem as though you are a creative right? considering that you said you can write a story better if you slept. See, your creativity is the acutual key.

We all know the study, that we use 15% of our brain when awake right? Well that other 85% is our subconcious. Our subconcious is not sleeping, it really is learning as much as your 15%, in fact probly more. Our sub-c actually knows more about us then we do. That is simply why those ouija boards and stuff work.

So the sub-c knows a hell of a lot more then we think we know about oourselves right? Well, what dreams really are pretty much messages to ourselves, on how we feel, on what we think. Your dream is just telling you all sorts of feelings and thoughts you have about things, like your nieghbor, but through a hell of alot more intrricet symbolism due to your creativity.  

[Awsumdude]

What kinds of things do you and your neighbor normally discuss or if you don't normally talk to your neighbor then did you get the impression that the discussion felt like you were talking to one of your friends?  

[iPanseh]

It sends a message to you?
Well... what do you think about the dream I had last night:
I was in this harbor, and I had a gun. People kept on showing up and I had to shoot them. Then I was in a house, and I still had to shoot people. Then I left the house once the people were gone, and it was like a video game, sort of like a city. There were enemies down a hill that I had to defeat. I died, and I got sent to a place where you had to wait for a little while before they released you back into the real world. We had to stay there for quite a long time, but I found that you could leave, but for some reason I didn't. Well, I went back and the gate to go back to the real world was open, and you had to go through the gate without looking back. So one of the people there went through, and her mom took her away. Then another girl left, and her mom took her away. Then it was my turn, but I woke up.

What do you think that was sending to me?  

[Yojimbo_sureibu]

iPanseh

It sends a message to you?
Well... what do you think about the dream I had last night:
I was in this harbor, and I had a gun. People kept on showing up and I had to shoot them. Then I was in a house, and I still had to shoot people. Then I left the house once the people were gone, and it was like a video game, sort of like a city. There were enemies down a hill that I had to defeat. I died, and I got sent to a place where you had to wait for a little while before they released you back into the real world. We had to stay there for quite a long time, but I found that you could leave, but for some reason I didn't. Well, I went back and the gate to go back to the real world was open, and you had to go through the gate without looking back. So one of the people there went through, and her mom took her away. Then another girl left, and her mom took her away. Then it was my turn, but I woke up.

What do you think that was sending to me?

Wait, was this real world the same as the first, the one where you had to shoot people down?

I really can't tell you much though because I don't know you, or things that go on in your life. Those are what trigger your dreams.

the best i can say is you might be afraid, mad, or maybe feeling defensive of yours or someone elses feelings, meetings, or thoughts.
so you create your self a prison, or walls to stop people from helping, or knowing. Maybe just a trap or getaway from anxiety, or concepts of right and wrong. then you are set free from through a close relation, or that's what you want, but can't have. I really don't know.  

[ArchWarrior]

I use my dreams to help me write poems and stories. And I too have some deep plots in my dreams. lol I've had a few dreams with plots so deep that it toke me days and weeks to understand them fully. Oddly, sometimes I don't even think they are my dreams but rather I'm looking in on someone's life living in another time, time line, and/or alternate dimension (M-theory).

Anyway to what you was saying. I think everyone has heard of the old saying, "You never truly forget..." well that is true (unless you brain cells was damaged in someway) everything you have every experienced wheater you was conscious or unconscious of it is store somewhere in your mind. But because you see no need for that info or are just unaware you have it you can't recall the memory.

Because most dreams come from memory and educated guesses that bank of data that you have conscious and unconscious work together form a world that is reasonable based on your strongest thoughts and feelings at the time you went to sleep.

And just because you are asleep does not mean you are unaware of the world around you. There is a part of your brain (I forgot the name of it) that is always on checking everything around you and looking in your memory for similar experiences and data to try and guess what is going to happen next. This is why people wake up after hearing or feeling things that may be seen as a threat and it is part of the brain that aids in that deja vu feeling people get. If you sleep with your eyes open (I do) you can even see the things around you as you are sleep sometimes. And its a real b***h if you are having sleep paralysis because you are aware and fully conscious but have no control of your body.

Anyway, people who have dreams with deep plots or are super realistic tend to be people with strong minds. Otherwise the world they'll make will be unfocused and descend into nonsensical random things. Without constant effort to keep the world in order.

Oh and your mind and body can do some really complex things while you are sleep. You can just look at reports of sleepwalkers for that. I was a sleepwalker when I was younger. There was more then a few times I got out of bed, got dress, ate, got out of the house (always locking the door behind me), got on my bike, rode myself to school (about 1.5 miles away from my home crossing 2 mayor roads), locked up my bike, and waited outside the classroom door for school to start. And that was some of the easier things I did while sleeping. I'm still more shocked to this day that no one (not even my friends) knew I was asleep, because it seems I was able to hold full conversations and do classwork while asleep. Which at times make me think what else I've and other people have been doing in our sleep when no one is around to tell us.  

[ArchWarrior]

I tell you the plot of a dream I had once.

I'm at the bar with a friend when I notice I'm dreaming. So I laugh and buy everyone a drink, 2 for the guy I throw my drink at to test to see if I'm dreaming. My friend asks why I'm acting so oddly and I tell him I'm dreaming. He then tells I'm not dreaming and this is real. We have a long debate about who is right. And this how the end of the debate was:

"I'm real because I know I am real. I think therefore I am." my friend
"No, you wrong. I think therefore you are." me
"But I can be dreaming you are dreaming. And who said this was your dream anyway?" my friend
"Who cares? For all I know this is just a dream within another dream. But from my view this is only a dream." me
"So what are you trying to say? That all of this doesn't exist and is just a world that we all share as some common dream?" my friend, reforging to a earlier point in the debate where we said if this is a dream than it is a dream that everyone in the bar shares as a whole meaning that I'm not the only dreamer in the world.
"I'm not saying that. Look, all my dreams and all my fantasies are all real for as long as I am in them. It is only after I move from one world to the next or to wake up as we call it, that I may think differently about the world I came from." me
"Well than if that is true. Can you please go dream somewhere else because you are ruining my dream and making my miss the game." my friend

In short it is pointless to try to know what is the dream and who is the dreamer. Because the dreamer can be a dream and maybe not be the only dreamer. And the dream itself can be apart of a collective consciousness of shard and overlapping dreams. Meaning that this world we are in now can be nothing more than a collective dream that we are all having. xp  

[xeidrii]

Yojimbo_sureibu

Yes you can, because through experience, you stay below course of action, and barely moe at all, while if you were over, you get carried, then smashed by the forced of any debris, and the actuall wave.

That was really hard to understand. -read it 7 times-

I think I get the gist of what you're saying though =_________=

What I'm concerned about is that since most tidal waves are caused by earthquakes that shoot up energy to the water, wouldn't that area be dangerous? And as the wave moves, there are going to be strong turning currents that carry on that energy below the water. I can't find any site that tells me how "wide" a tidal wave is, so I don't know if holding your breath is an issue either.

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So the sub-c knows a hell of a lot more then we think we know about oourselves right? Well, what dreams really are pretty much messages to ourselves, on how we feel, on what we think. Your dream is just telling you all sorts of feelings and thoughts you have about things, like your nieghbor, but through a hell of alot more intrricet symbolism due to your creativity.

Well, I wouldn't say our subconcious "knows" things, or that they can "tell" you things. But I do believe that you can learn things from what nonsense it spews at night. =_= Maybe the reason your subconscious mind is so strong is because your conscious mind is so limited by things like rationality. The sub and conscious minds probably devote more attention to different things too, because you're obviously able to do things while conscious that you can't do while asleep. So maybe they're not superior or inferior to each other, but just different. I don't want to research this...because whatever I find will go too deep into this.  

[xeidrii]

Awsumdude

What kinds of things do you and your neighbor normally discuss or if you don't normally talk to your neighbor then did you get the impression that the discussion felt like you were talking to one of your friends?

o_O We talk about the same junk all friends talk about. I think the water reference refers to the fact that she's on a swim team, and the fact that I absolutely hate water.  

[JaelValentine]

I think everyone's pretty much left this subject, but I have problematic dreams often and would like to offer my two cents.

The symbolism is what concerns me most in any dream. For example, I'm wondering about the significance of the reoccurring tidal waves. What do you relate tidal waves to? Their destructive nature, or their graceful, forceful beauty? The former would indicate that you're having premonitions. The latter would predict that something good is happening in your life that you my be missing.

I would like to add here that I am NOT an expert in dream interpretation... I once studied Freud, but since he generally seemed to believe that every dream has some sort of sexual undertone, I've been considering finding a new resource.

I've been having dreams that involve stealing- either I'm accused of stealing or someone steals from me. Now, if I had actually stolen something in the dreams, I would understand the point... but since I haven't, I'm a little clueless. Any thoughts?  

[ArchWarrior]

xeidrii

Yojimbo_sureibu

Yes you can, because through experience, you stay below course of action, and barely moe at all, while if you were over, you get carried, then smashed by the forced of any debris, and the actuall wave.

That was really hard to understand. -read it 7 times-

I think I get the gist of what you're saying though =_________=

What I'm concerned about is that since most tidal waves are caused by earthquakes that shoot up energy to the water, wouldn't that area be dangerous? And as the wave moves, there are going to be strong turning currents that carry on that energy below the water. I can't find any site that tells me how "wide" a tidal wave is, so I don't know if holding your breath is an issue either.

Well tidal waves are not dangerous until they reach the shore and rise up. If you are out at sea or diving underwater you'll see or feel no difference in the waves. Now if the wave has already started to crest and break it tends to late to try and dive under it. Because at that point it is just a wall of water, so my guess is that you'll need learn to surf and fast if you want to ride out the wave and the other waves to follow because tidal waves tend to come in sets of about 3 - 7 waves back to back.  

[Yojimbo_sureibu]

xeidrii

Yojimbo_sureibu

Yes you can, because through experience, you stay below course of action, and barely moe at all, while if you were over, you get carried, then smashed by the forced of any debris, and the actuall wave.

That was really hard to understand. -read it 7 times-

I think I get the gist of what you're saying though =_________=

What I'm concerned about is that since most tidal waves are caused by earthquakes that shoot up energy to the water, wouldn't that area be dangerous? And as the wave moves, there are going to be strong turning currents that carry on that energy below the water. I can't find any site that tells me how "wide" a tidal wave is, so I don't know if holding your breath is an issue either.

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So the sub-c knows a hell of a lot more then we think we know about oourselves right? Well, what dreams really are pretty much messages to ourselves, on how we feel, on what we think. Your dream is just telling you all sorts of feelings and thoughts you have about things, like your nieghbor, but through a hell of alot more intrricet symbolism due to your creativity.

Well, I wouldn't say our subconcious "knows" things, or that they can "tell" you things. But I do believe that you can learn things from what nonsense it spews at night. =_= Maybe the reason your subconscious mind is so strong is because your conscious mind is so limited by things like rationality. The sub and conscious minds probably devote more attention to different things too, because you're obviously able to do things while conscious that you can't do while asleep. So maybe they're not superior or inferior to each other, but just different. I don't want to research this...because whatever I find will go too deep into this.

The earthquakes really should be nothing to worry about, since the most debris that could hit you is a bottle cap, or a random plastic whatever, and it's not like the water is goine to collapse underneath you having you fall to your doom. And the earth quake that trigger a tsunami usually only has enough power for one, remember we have a lot of water on our planet, and water can suffice for a large amount of pressure. So once you get past the tsunami, your fine, unless your on land. pretty much, when your down deep enough, depending on the size of wave sometimes, the force doesn't get to you. Think like how in those movies when the main character sinks they aren't moved by the waves underwater.

Now I really think that your brain knows more. I mean think about all the things we can do with or concious brain. Think about what almost six time that power can do. I'm pretty sure it won't be that hard. And like you know how it is immpossible to keep your comepletely still?

(This is how ouija boards work.) I want you to tie a string around a pencil. Then dangle it with your arm like a a foot and a half in the air. (the string should be long enough that when it dangles at that hieght, it is like an inch/inch and a half away from the ground.) Then dangle it to keep it as still as possible, and ake sure the string is not spining. Then concentrate really hard, this needs alot of focus, and say in your head or out loud where you want it to move. forward and back, left and right, counter, or just clockwise. keep your hand as still as possible, and it would seem like magic.  

[Yojimbo_sureibu]

xeidrii

Awsumdude

What kinds of things do you and your neighbor normally discuss or if you don't normally talk to your neighbor then did you get the impression that the discussion felt like you were talking to one of your friends?

o_O We talk about the same junk all friends talk about. I think the water reference refers to the fact that she's on a swim team, and the fact that I absolutely hate water.

Do you get what I'm saying? like you said, she might have gone to the city submerged underwater because "she love water, she's on the swim team" ect. You hate water, you "prefer land" so you tried to stop her from going to that city. Your dreams really are quite random, and don't tell you most useful things, but sometimes they do.  

[Yojimbo_sureibu]

JaelValentine

I think everyone's pretty much left this subject, but I have problematic dreams often and would like to offer my two cents.

The symbolism is what concerns me most in any dream. For example, I'm wondering about the significance of the reoccurring tidal waves. What do you relate tidal waves to? Their destructive nature, or their graceful, forceful beauty? The former would indicate that you're having premonitions. The latter would predict that something good is happening in your life that you my be missing.

I would like to add here that I am NOT an expert in dream interpretation... I once studied Freud, but since he generally seemed to believe that every dream has some sort of sexual undertone, I've been considering finding a new resource.

I've been having dreams that involve stealing- either I'm accused of stealing or someone steals from me. Now, if I had actually stolen something in the dreams, I would understand the point... but since I haven't, I'm a little clueless. Any thoughts?

We haven't really passed the subject at hand, look at the OP's first question in blue.

Sometimes when stealing in dreams, when you are stealing could symbolize whether or not you might feel that you are not getting as good as you are giving, so you steal in place of that. To be stolen from, you could feel cheated, or feel as though you are not respected by someone. potentially the person who stole from you.  

[Grape Flavoured Prozac]

I'm not staying long, so I won't go into massively large details.

Some dreams fabricate from images, scenes or little snippits of your imagination, all rolled into one big fat surreal feeling ball. That could be an answer to one of your questions.