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Kaze Drimn's Prince

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Dude's a nut for sure, but how is he the new voice of GG?

He's not. I literally have never heard of him until this thread.

Now, we can discuss as to whether Geordie "Gamers to the Gas Chambers" Tait is the voice for the antis. If we're going with cherry picking the most vile and disgusting human beings to smear each side, then I guess we can do that.

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Dude's a nut for sure, but how is he the new voice of GG?

He's not. I literally have never heard of him until this thread.

Now, we can discuss as to whether Geordie "Gamers to the Gas Chambers" Tait is the voice for the antis. If we're going with cherry picking the most vile and disgusting human beings to smear each side, then I guess we can do that.


They already have. The board has been set.

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But as for Geordie in this....

The anti's can ******** off as well.

Once again, I feel a need to try to Switzerland this. *SIGH*

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Dude's a nut for sure, but how is he the new voice of GG?

He's not. I literally have never heard of him until this thread.

Now, we can discuss as to whether Geordie "Gamers to the Gas Chambers" Tait is the voice for the antis. If we're going with cherry picking the most vile and disgusting human beings to smear each side, then I guess we can do that.


They already have. The board has been set.

That's like saying every conservative is a Nazi or every liberal is a communist. When you paint sides as their extremes, dialogue turns into white noise and progress becomes impossible. Just look at Washington. That's the danger we're looking at with behavior such as this.

I'd rather have a more intelligent and nuanced discussion than Nazis vs. Communists, myself.

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That's like saying every conservative is a Nazi or every liberal is a communist

It is, isn't it?

But guess who wanted this? The people fighting.

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When you paint sides as their extremes, dialogue turns into white noise and progress becomes impossible. Just look at Washington. That's the danger we're looking at with behavior such as this.


I don't think they care anymore.

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I'd rather have a more intelligent and nuanced discussion than Nazis vs. Communists, myself.


And I'd rather have a box of 20 KFC hot wings magically appear in front of me with a cold six pack of Killian's Red, but we don't always get what we want now do we? They wanted this. Now they got it, and they can all ******** off. The Anti's, the GG'ers, both of them.

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That's like saying every conservative is a Nazi or every liberal is a communist

It is, isn't it?

But guess who wanted this? The people fighting.

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When you paint sides as their extremes, dialogue turns into white noise and progress becomes impossible. Just look at Washington. That's the danger we're looking at with behavior such as this.


I don't think they care anymore.

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I'd rather have a more intelligent and nuanced discussion than Nazis vs. Communists, myself.


And I'd rather have a box of 20 KFC hot wings magically appear in front of me with a cold six pack of Killian's Red, but we don't always get what we want now do we? They wanted this. Now they got it, and they can all ******** off. The Anti's, the GG'ers, both of them.

If you don't want it discussed, then why are you making a thread about it?

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Good job with the guilt by association
regardless, GG has been pushing against these types of actors
but it's due to the fact extremists garner more attention that they get more spotlight.

...and of course GG is going to slant to the right since leftists want to suck on the tit of that which is their dream of a social nanny-state.

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That's like saying every conservative is a Nazi or every liberal is a communist

It is, isn't it?

But guess who wanted this? The people fighting.

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When you paint sides as their extremes, dialogue turns into white noise and progress becomes impossible. Just look at Washington. That's the danger we're looking at with behavior such as this.


I don't think they care anymore.

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I'd rather have a more intelligent and nuanced discussion than Nazis vs. Communists, myself.


And I'd rather have a box of 20 KFC hot wings magically appear in front of me with a cold six pack of Killian's Red, but we don't always get what we want now do we? They wanted this. Now they got it, and they can all ******** off. The Anti's, the GG'ers, both of them.

If you don't want it discussed, then why are you making a thread about it?


Mostly because i knew about Vox Day a lonnnnnnnng time ago from other subjects, and to see him, a man that really is everything the anti-GG'ers accuse gamers of being, sing the praises and carry the banner of a supposedly tolerant and non-sexist group, AND THAT SAME GROUP BE SILENT AS GARDEN GNOMES ABOUT HIM BEING THERE, THAT ******** PISSED ME OFF.

However, I've been reading this Geordie Tait puke, and he's no different in the revulsion scale. None. With no condemnation from HIS side either!

That's my explanation, your honor.

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Good job with the guilt by association


Works for GG. After all, if you're not one of them, you're obviously a feminazi SJW.

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regardless, GG has been pushing against these types of actors


Oh? Is there any tweets of condemnation out there? Any articles addressing this? Anything

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...and of course GG is going to slant to the right since leftists want to suck on the tit of that which is their dream of a social nanny-state.


The same right wing that gleefully went along with the leftist nannies not too long ago about Mortal Kombat and Hot Coffee? The same right that proclaimed Mass Effect to be hardcore pornography? The same right that propped up Jack Thompson as a moral savior? You telling me GG is that masochistic?

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That's like saying every conservative is a Nazi or every liberal is a communist

It is, isn't it?

But guess who wanted this? The people fighting.

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When you paint sides as their extremes, dialogue turns into white noise and progress becomes impossible. Just look at Washington. That's the danger we're looking at with behavior such as this.


I don't think they care anymore.

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I'd rather have a more intelligent and nuanced discussion than Nazis vs. Communists, myself.


And I'd rather have a box of 20 KFC hot wings magically appear in front of me with a cold six pack of Killian's Red, but we don't always get what we want now do we? They wanted this. Now they got it, and they can all ******** off. The Anti's, the GG'ers, both of them.

If you don't want it discussed, then why are you making a thread about it?


Mostly because i knew about Vox Day a lonnnnnnnng time ago from other subjects, and to see him, a man that really is everything the anti-GG'ers accuse gamers of being, sing the praises and carry the banner of a supposedly tolerant and non-sexist group, AND THAT SAME GROUP BE SILENT AS GARDEN GNOMES ABOUT HIM BEING THERE, THAT ******** PISSED ME OFF.

However, I've been reading this Geordie Tait puke, and he's no different in the revulsion scale. None. With no condemnation from HIS side either!

That's my explanation, your honor.

I will say that it's because either they're not aware of him or they figure that talking about him would just draw more attention to him. See, that's the weird thing about this debate and the predicament GGers are in. If they say "He's not us," then the anti side goes "HURR NO TRUE SCOTSMAN HE'S YOURS AND YOU AND THEREFORE YOU AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS." If they say "We disagree with him and don't like what he has to say, but we can't tell him to stop," the anti side goes "You're not doing enough, therefore you're consenting to his views, and he's with you so you agree with him." The only real answer for something like that is to discuss him in private and decide what to do.

This same thing literally happened with Roosh and the MRA crowd coming out as pro-Gamergate, a few people brought them up on 8chan, and the general rhetoric was "Just let them do what they do, we want nothing to do with them so we're going to have nothing to do with them. Pretend they're not there." This is not a case of silence equaling consent, this is a case of a cold shoulder, or maybe even ignorance to their existence. I don't know what, since like I said, I've never heard of the guy, and I'm sure that he's not interested in fixing anything to do with games journalism as much as trying to take a swing at SJWs, which makes me question his motives.

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Works for GG. After all, if you're not one of them, you're obviously a feminazi SJW.


Depends on what GG you're talking about; people have different political/social tolerances
so of course you will have GG members that say things like that, but understand I'm not one of them and understand it doesn't make your point any more valid.

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Oh? Is there any tweets of condemnation out there? Any articles addressing this? Anything


This assumes that
- GG know who he is
- GG find it necessary to address him
- GG is not already condemning him

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The same right wing that gleefully went along with the leftist nannies not too long ago about Mortal Kombat and Hot Coffee? The same right that proclaimed Mass Effect to be hardcore pornography? The same right that propped up Jack Thompson as a moral savior? You telling me GG is that masochistic?


Understand that to a Libertarian those policies are still politically left as they push for government intervention in social matters that should be left to the market.

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I will say that it's because either they're not aware of him or they figure that talking about him would just draw more attention to him. See, that's the weird thing about this debate and the predicament GGers are in. If they say "He's not us," then the anti side goes "HURR NO TRUE SCOTSMAN HE'S YOURS AND YOU AND THEREFORE YOU AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS." If they say "We disagree with him and don't like what he has to say, but we can't tell him to stop," the anti side goes "You're not doing enough, therefore you're consenting to his views, and he's with you so you agree with him." The only real answer for something like that is to discuss him in private and decide what to do.


Sorry, don't believe it. And I wouldn't believe it if the opposite was happening either.

You CAN post and go public in saying "Look, I understand that certain people who are pushing some truly disgusting agendas are suddenly proclaiming themselves as brothers in arms; news flash, YOU ARE NOT. You have a whole other agenda we want nothing to do with. Your goals are not ours. If you keep using our banner, we will call you out on it and condemn you at every turn as surely as we condemn the other side. We do not want you here. Push your own agenda under your own banner, leave ours alone. We are not yours to co-opt #NotYourSpear"

See, I did that pretty concisely and passionately in just a couple of minutes. You telling me noone else has that same desire or time?

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This same thing literally happened with Roosh and the MRA crowd coming out as pro-Gamergate, a few people brought them up on 8chan, and the general rhetoric was "Just let them do what they do, we want nothing to do with them so we're going to have nothing to do with them. Pretend they're not there." This is not a case of silence equaling consent


When speaking out against them is easy, yes, silence DOES equal consent.

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I don't know what, since like I said, I've never heard of the guy, and I'm sure that he's not interested in fixing anything to do with games journalism as much as trying to take a swing at SJWs, which makes me question his motives.


*SIGH* You know, you even understand, yet you refuse to do anything.

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This assumes that
- GG know who he is


They do. As Procurements revealed, they were well aware when Roosh and his fellow MRA buzzards swooped in to co-opt it.

Their response. Nothing.

Literally, a policy of nothing.

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- GG find it necessary to address him


And it take so much effort to do one article, a blog entry, a tweet.

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- GG is not already condemning him


If they are, where is it?

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Understand that to a Libertarian those policies are still politically left as they push for government intervention in social matters that should be left to the market.


Yet it was unabashed CONSERVATIVES who were pushing it! U&nless you can suddenly declare with a straight ******** face that Fox News is a left wing network...

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Guilt by association didn't work as a tactic when GG started. It's not going to work now. You can find a looney in every movement. C'est la vie.


Even when that looney is speaking for the movement and has yet to be publically condemned by them or told "Hey, Beale, shut the ******** up, you are not representing us."


I think most don't even know who the ******** Vox Day is, let alone bother to tell him to shut up about it.


Yeah. I didn’t even hear about the guy until now.

Kaze Drimn's Prince

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Sorry, don't believe it. And I wouldn't believe it if the opposite was happening either.

You CAN post and go public in saying "Look, I understand that certain people who are pushing some truly disgusting agendas are suddenly proclaiming themselves as brothers in arms; news flash, YOU ARE NOT. You have a whole other agenda we want nothing to do with. Your goals are not ours. If you keep using our banner, we will call you out on it and condemn you at every turn as surely as we condemn the other side. We do not want you here. Push your own agenda under your own banner, leave ours alone. We are not yours to co-opt #NotYourSpear"

See, I did that pretty concisely and passionately in just a couple of minutes. You telling me noone else has that same desire or time?

And they choose not to because they're not in the interest of having ideological orthodoxy be the rule of the day. Like you said, it's a diverse movement, and the moment you start tacking on several litmus tests as to who can and can't participate in a hashtag, especially when the movement is leaderless and has no formal structure for such things, is the moment you run the risk of others alienating some based on other, more benign ideologies.

Co-option is a real issue, and when you bring in tone policing, it causes infighting. You're thinking in this in terms of a structured group with a set way of going about things. It's not. How you handle co-opting in a structured group is to throw them out. How you handle it in an un-structured group is to deny them a voice by not listening to a single word they say.

The rules are different because of the nature of the organization, or lack of organization period.

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When speaking out against them is easy, yes, silence DOES equal consent.

Good. Some can on their own time. I don't see the need for there to be a concerted effort to ostracize the guy when it would just draw attention to him, and that's what he's after. He's marginal at best within Gamergate and will likely stay that way. If they spend the entire time playing whack-a-mole with every extremist nobody that happens to use the hashtag once or twice, then that's time not spent doing anything actually productive.

Besides, the media paints Gamergate as rapist wifebeating basement dwelling dudebro misogynerd neo-Nazi hyperconsumers regardless of what they do. What's the point in trying to clean up an image that's just going to be s**t no matter what happens?
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