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Hello everyone. I want to ask everyone's opinion and have a nice "friendly" conversation. I was talking to someone in the forum, and she says that she believes in science and proof so she can never be friends with a Christian. I am a Young Earth Christian and I definitely love science. Matter of fact, I am planning to major in the subject of science when I graduate from College. Not only I love science, but biology, archeology, geology, meteorology, and astronomy. But someone says that since I am a Christian, I cannot be a scientist. But I would love to hear what others think. ^^

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Hello everyone. I want to ask everyone's opinion and have a nice "friendly" conversation. I was talking to someone in the forum, and she says that she believes in science and proof so she can never be friends with a Christian. I am a Young Earth Christian and I definitely love science. Matter of fact, I am planning to major in the subject of science when I graduate from College. Not only I love science, but biology, archeology, geology, meteorology, and astronomy. But someone says that since I am a Christian, I cannot be a scientist. But I would love to hear what others think. ^^



Anybody can be a scientist as long as they can comprehend the material necessary to do the job.

However...

I understand why someone who accepts the findings of science such as they are and approaches things as a skeptic would not want to associate with someone whose belief system motivates them so much that they create a username to advertise it. YEC is absolutely not congruent with current scientific theory on multiple levels, no matter how convincing it seems to be from the position of your worldview. YECs have a way of having unpleasant political agendas. You can claim to love all those fields of science yet at the same time maintain a position that is unsupported by and in fact counter to all of them. That takes a truly impressive amount of cognitive distortion and some people honestly don't want to deal with that. I cannot say I blame them, but if a person was able to keep that to themselves and did not support a political agenda based around it, and both parties can get past the obvious issues, then friendship is possible.

I think. I have friends who are Christians but I have to respect someone in order to truly trust them.

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YEC is not science, as it supplies no tentative hypotheses, and resolves to describe natural history in terms of scientifically untestable supernatural causes while ignoring empirical evidence that would disprove their claims. (For example: there are trees alive today that are older than what YEC claims the age of the Earth to be. Google "Old Tjikko" and/or "Pando" for more info.)

Additionally, YEC invents fake "sciences" (such as Baraminology and "Historical Science"), denies the existence of the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud, and claims that radiocarbon dating is not to be trusted.

At the end of the debate between Creationist Ken Ham and Bill Nye (which I reccomend everybody reading this give a watch) the both of them are asked, "what will change your mind about your respective views?" User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.

Which one sounds like the scientist, and which one doesn't?

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You sounds like you'd be a terrible scientist in several of those fields due to your biases.

You can be an alright scientist if your biases aren't mucking up the actual science you're supposed to be doing. It sounds like for several of those your biases would be liable to much up the actual science.

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Hello everyone. I want to ask everyone's opinion and have a nice "friendly" conversation. I was talking to someone in the forum, and she says that she believes in science and proof so she can never be friends with a Christian.
Sounds pretty silly on her part but why do you bring her up?

Edit: Should you really be talking about someone that's kinda unrelated to the topic as a whole? It seems like your airing dirty laundry that we all don't need to see.

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I am a Young Earth Christian and I definitely love science.
But young earth creationism isn't science though, it's a philosophy at best that seems to disregard not only empirical evidence but also disregards the Bible as well.

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Matter of fact, I am planning to major in the subject of science when I graduate from College.

I hope you learn a lot.
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Not only I love science, but biology, archeology, geology, meteorology, and astronomy.
Okay. Again, I hope you learn a lot.

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But someone says that since I am a Christian, I cannot be a scientist. But I would love to hear what others think. ^^
Yeah you can be a Christian and a scientist I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to argue that one can't but 7 day creationism just isn't science, it's a philosophy based on assumptions concerning the nature of the Bible which are technically unbiblical.
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YEC is not science, as it supplies no tentative hypotheses, and resolves to describe natural history in terms of scientifically untestable supernatural causes while ignoring empirical evidence that would disprove their claims. (For example: there are trees alive today that are older than what YEC claims the age of the Earth to be. Google "Old Tjikko" and/or "Pando" for more info.)

Additionally, YEC invents fake "sciences" (such as Baraminology and "Historical Science" wink , denies the existence of the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud, and claims that radiocarbon dating is not to be trusted.

At the end of the debate between Creationist Ken Ham and Bill Nye (which I reccomend everybody reading this give a watch) the both of them are asked, "what will change your mind about your respective views?" User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.

Which one sounds like the scientist, and which one doesn't?
I do agree that YEC is not a part of science. It is a Religious Worldview, just like Evolution. We are in the now, the present. Science is defined by 3 categories: It has to be observed, tested, and repeated. We can only test things that are in the present.

And as a Young Earth Creationist, (and it took me a while to know what YEC is, seriously, I thought it was a Church or a gym. XD) we both have the same evidence. We have the same grand canyon, the same stars, the same bones, the same things. I don't have any different evidence than Evolutionists. But here is the difference: We have different interpretations of the evidence.

Let's take a look at the Grand Canyon for instance. We have the same hole in the ground. Evolutionist says that it takes a little bit of water and a lot of time. Creationists says that it takes a lot of water and a little bit of time. It is the same evidence, just two entirely different interpretations.

Also, I actually watched the debate and downloaded it, and planning to go through it with a fine-tooth comb and find out which is observable, testable, and repeatable.
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Hello everyone. I want to ask everyone's opinion and have a nice "friendly" conversation. I was talking to someone in the forum, and she says that she believes in science and proof so she can never be friends with a Christian.
Sounds pretty silly on her part but why do you bring her up?

Edit: Should you really be talking about someone that's kinda unrelated to the topic as a whole? It seems like your airing dirty laundry that we all don't need to see.

Quote:
I am a Young Earth Christian and I definitely love science.
But young earth creationism isn't science though, it's a philosophy at best that seems to disregard not only empirical evidence but also disregards the Bible as well.

Quote:
Matter of fact, I am planning to major in the subject of science when I graduate from College.

I hope you learn a lot.
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Not only I love science, but biology, archeology, geology, meteorology, and astronomy.
Okay. Again, I hope you learn a lot.

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But someone says that since I am a Christian, I cannot be a scientist. But I would love to hear what others think. ^^
Yeah you can be a Christian and a scientist I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to argue that one can't but 7 day creationism just isn't science, it's a philosophy based on assumptions concerning the nature of the Bible which are technically unbiblical.

When you asked about why I bring her up, it is just to show where and how I got to this question. It is no way putting her down, as I didn't give her screen name or anything. It is basically a way to start a conversation which I just want everyone's opinion on. Also, I do not believe in a 7-Day Creation. I believe in the 6-Day Creation. God rested on the 7th day. lol

But as I said before, Creation, just like Evolution, is not a part of science. It is Religious Worldviews.

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Hello everyone. I want to ask everyone's opinion and have a nice "friendly" conversation. I was talking to someone in the forum, and she says that she believes in science and proof so she can never be friends with a Christian.
Sounds pretty silly on her part but why do you bring her up?

Edit: Should you really be talking about someone that's kinda unrelated to the topic as a whole? It seems like your airing dirty laundry that we all don't need to see.

Quote:
I am a Young Earth Christian and I definitely love science.
But young earth creationism isn't science though, it's a philosophy at best that seems to disregard not only empirical evidence but also disregards the Bible as well.

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Matter of fact, I am planning to major in the subject of science when I graduate from College.

I hope you learn a lot.
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Not only I love science, but biology, archeology, geology, meteorology, and astronomy.
Okay. Again, I hope you learn a lot.

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But someone says that since I am a Christian, I cannot be a scientist. But I would love to hear what others think. ^^
Yeah you can be a Christian and a scientist I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to argue that one can't but 7 day creationism just isn't science, it's a philosophy based on assumptions concerning the nature of the Bible which are technically unbiblical.

When you asked about why I bring her up, it is just to show where and how I got to this question. It is no way putting her down, as I didn't give her screen name or anything. It is basically a way to start a conversation which I just want everyone's opinion on. Also, I do not believe in a 7-Day Creation. I believe in the 6-Day Creation. God rested on the 7th day. lol

But as I said before, Creation, just like Evolution, is not a part of science. It is Religious Worldviews.
How is evolution a philosophy/religious world view?
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Hello everyone. I want to ask everyone's opinion and have a nice "friendly" conversation. I was talking to someone in the forum, and she says that she believes in science and proof so she can never be friends with a Christian.
Sounds pretty silly on her part but why do you bring her up?

Edit: Should you really be talking about someone that's kinda unrelated to the topic as a whole? It seems like your airing dirty laundry that we all don't need to see.

Quote:
I am a Young Earth Christian and I definitely love science.
But young earth creationism isn't science though, it's a philosophy at best that seems to disregard not only empirical evidence but also disregards the Bible as well.

Quote:
Matter of fact, I am planning to major in the subject of science when I graduate from College.

I hope you learn a lot.
Quote:
Not only I love science, but biology, archeology, geology, meteorology, and astronomy.
Okay. Again, I hope you learn a lot.

Quote:
But someone says that since I am a Christian, I cannot be a scientist. But I would love to hear what others think. ^^
Yeah you can be a Christian and a scientist I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to argue that one can't but 7 day creationism just isn't science, it's a philosophy based on assumptions concerning the nature of the Bible which are technically unbiblical.

When you asked about why I bring her up, it is just to show where and how I got to this question. It is no way putting her down, as I didn't give her screen name or anything. It is basically a way to start a conversation which I just want everyone's opinion on. Also, I do not believe in a 7-Day Creation. I believe in the 6-Day Creation. God rested on the 7th day. lol

But as I said before, Creation, just like Evolution, is not a part of science. It is Religious Worldviews.
How is evolution a philosophy/religious world view?
Well... Let's define science. It has to be observed, tested, and repeated. But let's look at Evolution. Did you actually know that there are multiple kinds of evolution? It is not just one big happy family. There are multiple stages of Evolution. But can all of them or any of them be scientific?

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Well... Let's define science. It has to be observed, tested, and repeated. But let's look at Evolution. Did you actually know that there are multiple kinds of evolution? It is not just one big happy family. There are multiple stages of Evolution. But can all of them or any of them be scientific?
But evolution can be tested and observed. Let's define evolution before we continue any further. It is simply descent with modification. That should be broad enough to encompass all the different types of evolutions. Now that we know what we are referring to as evolution we can give some examples of observing and testing evolution. We can observe bacteria that is resistant to antibiotics and we know that they descended from bacteria at one point that was not resistant to antibiotics. We can test bacteria in controlled settings and for the most part, "watch" as this mutation for antibiotic resistance develops. We observed insects that have become resistant to pesticides. A similar experiment like the one with the bacteria can be developed to demonstrate that the offspring have changed from the parents they descended from. Unless your meaning evolution to mean something different from what it actually means, you haven't shown how evolution cannot be tested, observed, or repeated.

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Yes, one can be a scientist and a Christian. One does not negate the other.
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Well... Let's define science. It has to be observed, tested, and repeated. But let's look at Evolution. Did you actually know that there are multiple kinds of evolution? It is not just one big happy family. There are multiple stages of Evolution. But can all of them or any of them be scientific?
But evolution can be tested and observed. Let's define evolution before we continue any further. It is simply descent with modification. That should be broad enough to encompass all the different types of evolutions. Now that we know what we are referring to as evolution we can give some examples of observing and testing evolution. We can observe bacteria that is resistant to antibiotics and we know that they descended from bacteria at one point that was not resistant to antibiotics. We can test bacteria in controlled settings and for the most part, "watch" as this mutation for antibiotic resistance develops. We observed insects that have become resistant to pesticides. A similar experiment like the one with the bacteria can be developed to demonstrate that the offspring have changed from the parents they descended from. Unless your meaning evolution to mean something different from what it actually means, you haven't shown how evolution cannot be tested, observed, or repeated.
You're basically talking about what I believe. There is no dispute of that kind of Evolution. Matter of fact, you are talking about mutations with beneficial outcomes. I have no problem with that. We can actually observe that in the present and it is documented. That what science is. But when I talk about Evolution, I am not necessarily talking about mutations with beneficial outcomes or how there are many different species of moths to different species of moths. That is scientific because it is observed.

Here are the different levels of Evolution:

1) Cosmic Evolution: This is where the big bang happened. I have argued with people that told me this is not Evolution. But everything had a beginning, and it always starts on the Evolutionary theory. But where did the matter come from? Amazingly enough, National Pornographic Geographic says that nothing was there, but it exploded. I'm sorry, but I do not believe in that kind of Evolution.

2) Chemical Evolution. This is where all of the chemicals evolved from Hydrogen and Helium. But what about the higher elements? Some say that you can fuse by adding more energy. But really, adding more energy is destructive. We can see that on roofs, and on a car's finish. The sun's energy is fading them away. It is destructive. There is only one thing that can absorb the energy, chlorophyll that plants use. I'm sorry, but we never actually tested, observed, or repeated that.

3) Stellar and Planetary Evolution. This is where planets and stars form. There are a lot of stars out there. I mean a whole lot. Scientists estimates that there are enough of stars out there that everyone on this planet can own 11,000,000,000,000. Have fun naming them.Those are the ones we know about. We do not know the ones we do not know about. But if the universe is 20 billion years old, it would not even support of why we have so many stars. Scientists estimated that we have 70 sextillion. That is 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. If we divide 70 sextillion by 20 billion, that would be 3,500,000,000,000 stars forming every single year, or 6,665,000 stars forming every single minute. We do not see that many stars forming every single minute.

4) Organic Evolution. This is how life begin from non life. We never experienced life from non life, and please don't say that you have in your refrigerator. They claim that in the beginning was nothing, then it rained on the rocks, and out of the soup came alive. But it is a scientific impossibility from life coming from non life. That is not a part of science.

5) Macroevolution. That is where one kind to another kind. We have many animals in the world, but we have species and kinds. But we do not have dogs producing cats or rabbits producing horses. But they say that if you give it time, one kind can evolve into another kind. But that has not been observed, tested, or repeated. We haven't seen it happening today. Or how we came from monkeys. Now they are using the word primates now. We somehow evolved from primates as monkeys are. But that I believe is not part of science.

6) Microevolution. This is what I believe in. One species to another species. I believe that the dog, fox, and the wolf had a common ancestor. It was a dog. We see kinds producing after their own kinds. Mutations and Variations are examples of Microevolution, which is scientific and can be observed, tested, and repeated.

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As long as the Christian holds scientific views and is willing to change his or her mind with new evidence. Science uses induction and abduction, both of which are monotonic. For example, if I saw that the grass was wet, I could say it rained. If I only saw that the grass was wet, then new evidence (the road and sidewalk aren't wet) would mean that I would need to add this new information into the mix.

To think it rained would then be incorrect. Rather, abductively, one would say the grass was watered. Whether one wished to say it was watered by a hose or by sprinklers, one would need to observe if the sprinkler heads are still propped up, or if water is leaking from the hose. Having an open mind doesn't mean one should be gullible to accept what's presented. It should mean one will consider the possibility and find evidence.

I'm rambling.

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If I can recall correctly Gregor Mendel was a scientist and a Christian. He studied genetics, I think.
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If I can recall correctly Gregor Mendel was a scientist and a Christian. He studied genetics, I think.
I think I recall that to. ^^

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