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Basically I don't really (I'm half-half because I'm not a legal expert) support efforts to circumvent congress because I think it undermines the government,
Obama caving into to Republican demands in return for the debt ceiling be raised is not only undermining the government, but the will of the people who did not vote for the guy who lost the election!
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....but I most certainly don't support any ideas to literary mint some stupid coin. I am amazed people like Krugman have somehow backed this idea.
Maybe 'cause he's smarter than you perhaps?
In a crunch it may actually be Obama's ********
duty to mint this "stupid coin" in order to escape the horns of this dilemma. Ever heard of taking a
third option?
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He's backing this idea to essentially print money, but has yet to explain how a trillion dollar coin would retain any value. In the end either two things have to happen, either a foreign agent buys it for 1 Trillion dollars, which they won't, or the government uses it as a place hold for 1 trillion real dollars they used to pay off in it's place, which means nothing because the Treasury will just have a worthless platinum coin that can't be sold or exchanged for any value.
Only the Fed, with whom this NON-CIRCULATING coin would be deposited with, would recognize its value. And when it does, the coin does indeed become 1 trillion real dollars! This is no different from the Fed creating money, the only difference is (a) who's doing it and (b) there will be actual coinage denominated at $1 trillion.
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I understand the threat of the debt ceiling, probably more then you, without even having to ask other people for facts and figures. Like I said I'm half-half, and by that I mean I am all for the camp that says we shouldn't even have a debt ceiling. My worry is in what I don't know, and that is the effect of circumventing congress or (apparently plausibly) creating a crisis of governance and constitutionality.
There is already a
crisis of governance, and the constitutional crisis over the coin can only happen if it goes to the courts. I'm not even sure the courts will even
want to get involved in this controversy.
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If the legal authority of the entire US government evaporates, what effect do you think THAT will have on the markets? I don't know. Almost certainly, I'm not going to risk it on a plan I know will not work.
A plan you
[know will not work? Are you trying to make me laugh here?
rolleyes
And what makes you think the "legal authority of the US government" will evaporate? If this scheme works, the Republican's machinations to subvert the will of the electorate will fail, and the people will be grateful to Obama from saving them from the debt ceiling cliff. If the government is the Executive Branch, the authority of the US government will be
enhanced.
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A coin will not work.
There is also the fact that you number reference a fiscal freeze of a YEAR. Every week that the government continues to be inoperable because of the debt ceiling would create political panic as unemployment rises. The chances of fully actualizing your scenario are low. Admittedly that still doesn't change the threat of a credit downgrade.
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biggrin R Your scenario is unrealistic, if maybe mathematically true, I don't know the consequences of bypassing congress in this issue, A coin will still not work.
The only way the coin will not work is the Fed
refuses to accept it. Since the Treasury can legally mint platinum coins of ANY denomination, the Fed CANNOT refuse to accept the coin.
You are being totally distracted by the superficial unorthodoxy of this proposal.