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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/13/1255276/-3-Big-Reasons-Hillary-Clinton-Should-Never-Be-President#

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1. Zero record of accomplishment.

Since 2009 we've seen what happens when we elect a president with charisma but minus a resume: weakness, waffling, national decline. Obama's signature/single accomplishment, the Affordable Care Act, embodies design-by-committee conception and autopilot execution.

Hillary's admirers have conflated her impressive list of jobs with actually having gotten things done. When you scratch the surface, however, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the woman has done little more than warm a series of comfy leather desk chairs. How has this career politician changed Americans' lives? Not in the least.

No doubt, Hillary knows her way around the corridors of power: First Lady, Senator from New York, presidential candidate, Secretary of State. Nice resume, but what did she do with all her jobs? Not much.

First Lady Ladybird Johnson led a highway beautification campaign that literally changed America's landscape for the better. Betty Ford courageously exposed herself as an alcoholic, serving as a role model by publicly seeking treatment. In terms of achievement, Hillary Clinton's political life peaked in 1993 with "HillaryCare," a botched attempt at healthcare reform that failed because no one, including liberals, agreed with the core mission of what liberal Democratic Senator Robert Byrd called "a very complex, very expensive, very little understood piece of legislation": federal subsidies for wildly profitable private insurance corporations (sound familiar?).

After sleazing her way into the Capitol as an out-of-state carpetbagger — New Yorkers still remember — Senator Clinton wiled away the early 2000s as a slacker Senator. This, remember, was while Bush was pushing through his radical right agenda: the Patriot Act, wars, coups, drones, torture, renditions and so on.

While Bush was running roughshod, Hillary was meek and acquiescent.

Clinton's legislative proposals were trivial and few. Her bargaining skills were so lousy that she couldn't find cosponsors for her tiny-bore bills — even fellow Democrats snubbed the former First Lady on stuff like increasing bennies for members of the Coast Guard. "Senator Clinton is right when she claims to be the experienced candidate," Adam Hamft wrote for HuffPo during the 2008 primaries, "although it's not the experience she would like us to believe. It's a track record of legislative failure and futility."

Hillary cheerleaders brag that she logged nearly a million miles of air travel as Secretary of State. "She reminded the world that Woody Allen was right even when it comes to diplomacy: 80 percent of success really is simply showing up," Megan Garber cheered in The Atlantic (what is it about that rag and Hillary?).

What success?

The best case I could find for Hillary as kickass StateSec comes courtesy of PolicyMic, which I hope is on her payroll given how much they suck up to her. An article titled "5 Top Highlights in Hillary Clinton's Secretary of State Tenure" cites "People-to-People Diplomacy" (all that travel), "The Importance of Economics" ("helping U.S. companies win business overseas" wink , "Restoring American Credibility" ("outreach to [the military junta in] Burma," "brokering a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel," and "coordination with Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi will likely give the U.S. greater leverage to pursue a robust peace process in 2013" — but "likely" didn't pan out…why doesn't Mo return my calls anymore?).

"Rock star diplomat," as The New York Times Magazine called her? Hardly.

As Stephen M. Walt notes in Foreign Policy, "she's hardly racked up any major achievements…She played little role in extricating us from Iraq, and it is hard to see her fingerprints on the U.S. approach to Afghanistan. She has done her best to smooth the troubled relationship with Pakistan, but anti-Americanism remains endemic in that country and it hardly looks like a success story at this point...She certainly helped get tougher sanctions on Iran, but the danger of war still looms and there's been no breakthrough there either…Needless to say, she has done nothing to advance the cause of Israeli-Palestinian peace or even to halt Israel's increasingly naked land grab there." (Talks with Iran began after Clinton quit.)

Yeah, she's been busy. But she has little to show for her time in office — she works dumb, not smart. At least with Obama, 2008 voters saw potential. Hillary has had 20 years to shine. If she hasn't gotten anything accomplished in all that time, with all that power, why should we think she'll make a great president?

2. She's a terrible role model for women.

A woman president is two centuries overdue. It's embarrassing that we're behind such forward-looking nations as Pakistan in this respect. But our first female leader should not be Hillary Clinton.

I'm not rehashing the oft-stated argument that she should have divorced Bill post-Monica: I'm 99% sure they have an open marriage and anyway, the monogamist demand that jilted spouses DTMFA because, just because, is stupid.

The real issue is that Hillary married her way into power. Sorry, Hillarites: there is nothing new here, no cracked glass ceilings. Owing everything you have to your husband is at least as old as Muriel Humphrey, who succeeded Senator Hubert after he died in 1978. In a nation with more than 150 million women, it ought to be possible to find a president who got there on her own merits.

Remember, it's not like Hillary did much with the remarkable opportunities she was given.

3. She's kind of dumb.

In 2003, Senator Clinton cast the most important vote of her life, in favor of invading Iraq. Not only was it morally unconscionable — Bush ginned up the war from thin air, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and there was neither evidence nor proof that Saddam had WMDs — her war authorization vote was politically idiotic.

Hillary lost the 2008 Democratic nomination to Obama (who, though voting six times for war funding, and not in the Senate in 2003, had criticized that "dumb war" wink due to that vote.

Though Clinton has never apologized for pandering to post-9/11 yellow-ribbons-all-over-the-car militarism (which is also stupid), her lame excuses in 2008 (she claimed she "thought it was a vote to put inspectors back in" even though it was called the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" wink indicate that she knew she'd blown it.

Also, the fact that she thought anyone would buy such ridiculous lies further indicates less than awesome intelligence.

Let's give Hillary the benefit of the doubt: we'll assume she wasn't so breathtakingly stupid as to think invading Iraq was moral or legal. Even so, her pandering betrays poor political calculus.

It should have been obvious — it was to me — that the U.S. would lose in Iraq. Given Clinton's options at the time (run for president a year later in 2004, reelection in 2006, or 200 cool , she was an idiot to think that her vote to authorize what would soon turn into an unpopular war wouldn't decimate her support among the Democratic party's liberal antiwar base.

Having a cynical political operator as president is bad. But I'll take a smart cynic over a dumb panderer.


I have to agree with all of that. Despite what many may think of Bill Clinton, I find his achievements rather lackluster as well.

Simply put, this is a person who craves only power and has nothing of substance to contribute to a political system. She is also weak- which is why she failed to establish a system of Health Care Reform where Obama succeeded.

Discuss the above reasons.

I am a strong Party Line Democrat, but everything in my instincts screams against a Hilary Clinton Presidency.

"While Bush was running roughshod, Hillary was meek and acquiescent.


This, a lot. While many of us made many sacrifices to oppose the Bush Administration, Hilary just stood by because she is a coward.

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coward
[kou-erd] Spell Syllables
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noun
1.
a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coward

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Cowardice is a trait wherein fear and excess self-concern override doing or saying what is right, good and of help to others or oneself in a time of need—it is the opposite of courage. As a label, "cowardice" indicates a failure of character in the face of a challenge.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowardice

I actually got jumped by right-wing fascists who traced me over the net for opposing the Bush Tyranny, and I still spoke against him, even after having my person and family threatened.

What did Hilary do besides cower in a corner?
I think instead I'll opt for the option of voting for a candidate based upon how good I think their policies are.

Which means that I'm going to end up voting for a third party.
Dermy has produced a thread I can agree with wholeheartedly.

A Hillary Clinton presidency can be guaranteed to be like the Obama presidency, only more so. Expect to see a lot of attempts to find common ground with conservatives suck up to the Right.

Hillary'll be even more right-wing in terms of foreign policy than Obama. This is already being telegraphed now by the kinds of things she's been saying publically.

And as to the question of whether she's actually going to run, you'll know it when she starts saying things about how important the Bible is to her, etc.
All good, good points. Anyone I've spoken to whom have said they'd vote for her can't give one good reason besides the fact her husband was a good president and she's a democrat.

Timid Wife

Hillary is needed. Obama is too minimalist in international crises and affairs.

Obama is way too lazy.

I think he's depressed.
Kevorkian Doctor
All good, good points. Anyone I've spoken to whom have said they'd vote for her can't give one good reason besides the fact her husband was a good president and she's a democrat.


I would have thought they would have said, "She could beat whoever's running on the GOP ticket," or something like that.

Timid Wife

azulmagia
Kevorkian Doctor
All good, good points. Anyone I've spoken to whom have said they'd vote for her can't give one good reason besides the fact her husband was a good president and she's a democrat.


I would have thought they would have said, "She could beat whoever's running on the GOP ticket," or something like that.

You're a faaaaaking dove, brah. What does the world look like? Tea time? Fack no, you've got to be mean.
SirPuzzle
I think instead I'll opt for the option of voting for a candidate based upon how good I think their policies are.

Which means that I'm going to end up voting for a third party.

Good on you. Make sure you invest in anti-election-fraud organizations while you're at it.
lckis
If the first woman, Hillary or otherwise, runs in 2016, and she actively identifies as a feminist or ever says "us girls" or makes feminist issues a major part of her agenda...

...I will change my choice not to vote, and vote against her, even if the opponent himself is a cigar-smoking old racist.

because I am ******** sick of this beaten horse being thrown in my face as if I'm supposed to give a s**t about date rape, old divorced women and Susan G Komen funders more than foreign policy and healthcare reformation.

Well, rape is one of the most evil things you can do to someone.

Gosh Billy, I sure do love using italics for emphasis.
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azulmagia
Kevorkian Doctor
All good, good points. Anyone I've spoken to whom have said they'd vote for her can't give one good reason besides the fact her husband was a good president and she's a democrat.


I would have thought they would have said, "She could beat whoever's running on the GOP ticket," or something like that.

You're a faaaaaking dove, brah. What does the world look like? Tea time? Fack no, you've got to be mean.

If you ain't doing it for the right reasons, you can go from Richard B. Riddick to Adolf Hitler in no time.
Would you like me to make a list about a republican candidate? What real issues do you have with her current platform? I don't like her support of GMOs but I like her idea for healthcare thus far and support of raising the minimum wage oh! and cutting the rich's tax breaks.
Yeah. She'll pretty much do (or attempt) whatever seems popular rather than what's right.

Also, she actually criticized Obama for doing too little in the way of foreign military intervention, which... Jesus Christ.

Also, she and Kissinger totally have a mutual crush on each other so essentially she belongs to Satan and cannot be reclaimed.

That said, I still think she has a good chance of being the nominee in 2016... =/

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Agreed. I dont support any of her policies and have a hard time accepting her as a politician.

Then again, it depends on whoever she goes up against in 2016. We need more options.

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