Punk Music and Culture thread {Update: SCREAMO ADDED}

Which Punk Genre do you prefer?

Punk Rock	40.4%	[ 44 ]
Oi!	6.4%	[ 7 ]
Anarcho-Punk	5.5%	[ 6 ]
Hardcore	14.7%	[ 16 ]
Crust	7.3%	[ 8 ]
Grindcore	0.9%	[ 1 ]
Powerviolence	1.8%	[ 2 ]
Screamo	14.7%	[ 16 ]
Metalcore/Deathcore	8.3%	[ 9 ]
Total Votes:			[ 109 ]

This poll closed on September 3, 2008.
No longer accepting new votes.

[I am the Hateful Raven]

Punk was a music movement that started in the 70's with multiple reasons and causes. There was an American British and even Australian Punk movement. Proto-punk bands such as Iggy Pop and the Stooges, the Motor City 5, and the Velvet Underground were influential in setting the stage for taking the risks bands like The Ramones, The Dictators, The New York Dolls, and Blondie did.

The British movement supposedly was started by one of the following: The ecnomic disaster that occured in the mid seventies, and the youth's lack of patience with the british government. A movement made out of boredom by Johnny Rotten, lead singer of the Sex Pistols.

This Movement caused the creation for most genres of music today, it's even represented in the roots of such types as hip hop, rap, pop, modern rock, goth, electro, two-tone. It did not create these genres, but it certainly kicked down the door for them.

Many like to characterize this genre with Power chords only and simple drum beats. These People are complete and utter idiots and should be regarded as imbecils. They more than likely know nothing about music in the first place, or are just that type of idiot that doesn't understand other types of music can be good, and that music, like other things, is all about opinion. Punk has had it's fair share of complicated guitar solos, insane drumming performances, all while keeping a melody, which most " jam bands" sorely lack, along with talent and lyrical prowess. Many of the early punk bands did utilize simple chords and beats, but like all types of music, it branched out and has many styles, from simple to complex, traditional to exotic, it all has to do with where you're looking.



Punk was more than just a Music movement though, It was also a ******** cuture that defined an entire generation. The point of the culture was like the music, be yourself and disregard the angry emotions it may stir up. No longer a real culture, only a burned image with the values behind it lost, you can see it in stores such as Hot Topic. People No longer understand it was always about being yourself and not being anyone's shadow.

[I am the Hateful Raven]

Oi!




Oi! is a sub-genre of Punk that originated from the Working Class youths of the United Kingdom.

Wiki Pasta (Only Wiki Music Fact that could be considered true)

he music and associated subculture had the goal of promoting unity between punks, skinheads and other non-aligned working class youths (sometimes called herberts). The Oi! movement was partly a response to a sense that many participants in the early punk rock scene were, in the words of The Business guitarist Steve Kent, "trendy university people using long words, trying to be artistic...and losing touch". Originally the music style was called street punk, streetpunk, new punk or real punk. Other terms that have been used at certain points are street rock, street rock 'n' roll, Oi!/street punk and streetpunk/Oi!. In 1980, writing in Sounds, rock journalist Garry Bushell labeled the movement Oi!, taking the name from the garbled "Oi!" that Stinky Turner of the Cockney Rejects used to introduce the band's songs. The word Oi! is an old Cockney expression, simply meaning hey! or hello!

The Oi! genre began in the latter part of the 1970s, fusing the styles of early punk bands such as The Clash and the Ramones; early British rock (i.e. the Rolling Stones, The Who); football chants; pub rock (i.e.101ers, Eddie and the Hot Rods); and glam rock bands (i.e. Slade, Sweet). The first Oi! bands included Sham 69, c**k Sparrer, Cockney Rejects and Angelic Upstarts, although some of them were around for years before the word Oi! was used to describe their style of music. The original wave of Oi! bands was followed by groups such as The Business, The Gonads, The Burial, The Last Resort, The 4-Skins, Blitz, Combat 84, Infa Riot, The Blood, Condemned 84 and The Oppressed.The general ideology of the original Oi! movement was a rough sort of quasi-socialist working class populism. Lyrical topics included unemployment, workers' rights, police harassment and government oppression. They also covered less-political topics like street violence, football (with chants), sex and alcohol. Although Oi! has become to be considered mainly a skinhead-oriented genre, the first Oi! bands were mostly comprised of punk rockers and people who fit neither the skinhead nor punk label.

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I am not familiar with the entire Racial controversy of the entire Genre and Culture, but you should know that the First Skinheads were neither Nazis nor Racist, they were a bunch of Working Class men who wanted a new world of true Unity, the Unity of the Skins all over.
Not until a certain British Idiot that goes by the name Ian Stuart who had this Idea called RAC will the culture be called Racist and White Nationalist ********.




Now the Culture of the Skinhead/Oi! drowns in these retarded Nazi ******** and Uninspired water downed Nazi bands we all know and hate/love.

Then came the genre that would totally smash the beating heart of Oi!

Oi! Oi! Oi! by the Cockney Rejects (Youtube)

[I am the Hateful Raven]

ANARCHO-PUNK




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Anarcho-punk is a faction of the punk subculture that consists of bands, groups and individuals promoting anarchist politics.

Although not all punks support anarchism, the ideology has played a significant role in the punk subculture, and punk has had a significant influence on the expression of contemporary anarchism. The term anarcho-punk is sometimes applied exclusively to bands that were part of the original anarcho-punk movement in the United Kingdom in the late 1970s and 1980s, such as Crass, Conflict, Flux of Pink Indians, Subhumans, Poison Girls and Oi Polloi. Some use the term more broadly to refer to any punk music with anarchist lyrical content. This broader definition includes crust punk bands, such as Nausea, and d-beat bands, such as Discharge. The term may also include American hardcore punk bands, such as MDC, folk punk artists such as This Bike is a Pipe Bomb, or artists in other sub-genres.

Anarcho-punk has been highlighted as one of the social phenomena which took anarchism in the direction of "lifestylism". Some argue that style became an essential ingredient of the movement, sometimes obscuring other factors, although others would reply that the performers who aligned themselves with anarcho-punk in fact embraced a wide diversity of approaches in both format and ideas. This would appear to be borne out by the range of anarcho-punk artists and performers. As well, it is often argued that the fashion was simply representative of the ethics associated with anarchism, such as anti-corporate, do-it-yourself beliefs.

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Anarcho-Punk (Youtube)

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HARDCORE






Hardcore was a variety of punk rock originating in the US in the early '80s. It involves shouted vocals (as opposed to growled) with a fast, aggressive tempo and a guitar sound featuring quick chord changes. Minor Threat, Bad Brains, SSD, and the Circle Jerks are known for this style. By 1986, a new style of hardcore came out of the New York scene. The NYHC scene added mosh breakdowns to mix, but the music retained its fast aggressive nature. This spawned the youth crew scene, a positive straight edge scene featuring such bands as Youth of Today, Chain of Strength, and the Gorilla Biscuits. Judge is a notable band from this era that added some metal style to their riffs. In the 90s hardcore took many different direction, bands like Lifetime and Turning Point took the late '80s sound (particularly the melodic approach pioneered by the Gorilla Biscuits) and added a softer sung vocals and the lyrical approach of DC bands like the Rites of Spring and Dag Nasty. Other bands like Earth Crisis mixed hardcore with death metal growls and slow brutal guitars.







Today many bands continue to play the early '80s fast, thrashy style as well as the so-called '88 or youth crew style, while still others have taken the sound of bands like Earth Crisis farther and mixed in more metal elements such as double bass drumming. Hardcore refers to all of these styles, though metalcore is best used to identify bands like Throwdown or Converge (who don't really sound anything alike but both mix metal and hardcore). Finally, some bands like Bane, With Honor, and Comeback Kid are mixing positive youth crew style hardcore with more complex metal riffing without straying into the beatdown, double bass drumming style of metalcore. People talking about old-school hardcore should be referring to one of the hardcore sounds that developed in the '80s, regardless of when the band formed.


Have I mentioned that the Japanese perfected this art back in the 80's?






The 80's Japanese Hardcore scene was the best back in that era. Legend has it that back in 81, a certain japanese teen got hold of Discharge's Never Again EP and shared it with his friends who got interested and formed bands that was going to change the face of Hardcore.
With bands such as G.I.S.M, Gastunk, ******** on the Beach, CTR heart , Gai, Confused and even the almost non-existant Z rocking the entire Scene and Culture it was sure to be the best ******** party ever...

80's Harcore (Youtube)

[I am the Hateful Raven]

CRUST PUNK

Crust Punk came out of the Anarcho-Punk movement and the Hardcore movement, mixing both the musical elements and adding a heavy dose of good ol Heavy Metal.





The music has two goals, the first one is Politics and Peace and the second one is ******** Speed. The Genre was fronted by bands like Amebix, Axgrinder, Concrete Sox, Heresy and my Favorite Electro Hippies.




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The musical template created by Amebix was a slow, sludgy sound, much removed from the thrashing speed of most punk. This would lay the foundation for later Stenchcore bands. There are numerous differences between Stenchcore and Crust punk bands musically, Crustcore bands tended to be very influenced by the 80s Scandinavian hardcore scene, taking that sound and adding more distortion, screams and faster tempo, sometimes including blastbeats. Bands like Doom, Excrement Of War, Electro Hippies and Extreme Noise Terror were some of the first bands to have that traditional UK "Crust" sound. The genre of Crustpunk had an enormous impact on grindcore, to the point where Grindcore in its early form was little more than sped up, brutalized crust punk. Arguably, the most influential crust punk bands from America were New York's Nausea and Massachusetts' Disrupt who sounded much like UK's Extreme Noise Terror sometimes being dubbed as "crustgrind", a trend which has been growing in recent years. The 1990s were an interesting time for crustpunk and several more hardcore punk oriented less metallic outfits came about, most notably Aus-Rotten. Crust Punk continues to remain strong in its own scene into the 2000s and the lyrical content of groups tends to draw heavily on the policies of George W. Bush. Crust punk has seen no interest by major labels and has had no commercial success in the mainstream market. Notable Crust bands in the 2000s are Resistant Culture, Iskra, Behind Enemy Lines, Extinction of Mankind and Tragedy. In recent years there have been a large number of ska- and reggae-influenced crust bands, such as the Toxic Narcotic spin-off Mouth Sewn Shut.
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It is amazing how the Crust Punk movement have MOST of the best Female fronted bands. bands like Nausea, After the Massacre, Schifosi, Auktion, Contravene and my favorite modern Crust band Idiots Parade. then again the Femmes are obviously running the Movement and that's prolly the reason why Crust Punk have countless Female Fronted bands.

Crust Punk bands (Youtube)

[I am the Hateful Raven]

D-Beat






D-beat is a drum beat, specifically a fast rock beat unique to Hardcore Punk, especially in its UK and European variants. Its name is derived from the British band Discharge, as the best-known use of this style can be attributed to their drummer Terry/Tezz. All over the world, D-beat has a cult following and has developed most heavily in Scandinavia, Japan, and Brazil. It is a contemporary term most common outside North America. D-beat bands almost exclusively have anti-war, anarchist messages and closely follow the bleak nuclear-war imagery of 1980s Crust punk bands, often to the point that you can tell a D-beat record by its exact imitation of Discharge album covers.






D-beat bands include Discharge, Disclose, Anti-Cimex, and Wolfbrigade. D-beat is also closely associated with Swedish, Finnish, and Japanese Hardcore bands such as Gauze, The Black Uniforms, and Tampere SS.

State Violence, State Control by Discharge

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GRINDCORE



A genre of music that developed in the mid 80's, when punk groups such as Siege and Sore Throat began to take their respective sounds to progressively further extremes. Repulsion is considered by many to be the first "proper" grindcore band, as their 1986 demo (later released on CD as the album "Horrified" in 1989) provided the listener with all of grindcore's key ingredients: noisy, fuzzy bass, blast beats, snarled vocals, short songs (often under two minutes) and minimal guitar work which relied on repeating, hyptnotic rhythms which were similar to hardcore punk but had a notable "metal edge." In the following years, several bands release important albums that further defined the genre: Napalm Death's "Scum" (1987), Carcass's "Reek of Putrefaction" (198 cool and Terrorizer's "World Downfall" (1989).






These bands presented a punkish sound that was excessively noisy and chaotic, generally lacked melody and was among the most extreme music of its time. Lyrically, they generally either focused on extreme blood and gore or social/political issues. By the 1990's, grindcore began to rise in popularity, with some bands being more punk or metal than others. Among the more important bands from this era include a**l c**t, Impetigo, Pig Destroyer, Extreme Noise Terror, Dead Infection, Regurgitate and Last Days of Humanity among others. The more significant bands from the 2000's include the likes of ******** Dead and Agoraphobic Nosebleed. A number of different sub-genres began to appear during the 90's, the most popular being goregrind, which was perfected by Impetigo. Another popular sub-genre that has developed a cult following in recent years in cybergrind, sometimes called techno grind, which combines grindcore with industrial and dance music, and is often low-fidelity and in many cases is produced by a single person.

Grindcore and Deathgrind (Youtube)

Official Grind Thread

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POWERVIOLENCE



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The term was first mentioned in the song "Hispanic Small Man Power (H.S.M.P.)" by genre pioneer Man Is the b*****d. Its nascent form was pioneered in the late 1980s in the music of hardcore punk band Infest, who mixed youth crew hardcore elements with noisier, sludgier qualities of Lärm and Siege. The microgenre solidified into its most commonly recognized form in the early 1990s, with the sounds of bands such as Man Is the b*****d, Crossed Out, No Comment, Capitalist Casualties, and Manpig. Powerviolence groups took inspiration from Siege and Deep Wound, Cryptic Slaughter, Septic Death, Dirty Rotten Imbeciles, and Corrosion of Conformity. These precursors to powerviolence are grouped together as "thrash" or thrashcore.



Spazz vocalist and bassist Chris Dodge's record label Slap-a-Ham Records was a fixture during the rapid rise and decline of powerviolence, releasing influential records by the likes of Neanderthal, No Comment, Crossed Out, Infest, and Spazz. The label's Fiesta Grande was an annual powerviolence festival held at 924 Gilman from 1992 to 2000. Spazz drummer Max Ward's label 625 Thrashcore has started its own festival, Super Sabado Gigante, in a similar vein. While powerviolence is closely related to thrashcore (often referred to simply as "thrash" wink , the style is distinct from the thrash metal groups active in the same place, at the same time. Bands such as ******** on the Beach helped to bring attention and eventually new scenes to Tokyo and other cities in Japan.
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Powerviolence almost completely eschews traditional song structure in favor of an all-out blitz-speed musical attack. More well-known power violence bands include Infest, Spazz, and Scholastic Deth. There are also bands that mix Powerviolence and Black Metal, bands like... well.. Teen Cthulhu and a bunch more that I can't remember as of now.

[I am the Hateful Raven]

METALCORE




Metalcore is basically an evolution of the mixing of punk and metal that has been hapening for at least 30 years. In the begining bands like Minor Threat, Bad Brains took on a harsher edge to punk music and played it fast. Their speed influenced the first wave of thrash metal like Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, etc...



From there you had crossover wich was a completel blend of punk and thrash with bands like DRI, Whermacht, The Accused, Attitude Adjustment, etc. Also at this time hardcore was coming into it's own with the likes of The Cro-mags, Agnostic Front, Sick Of It All. Now you add influences of death metal from the early 90's and the fierce speed of late 80's crossover bands like Cryptic Slaughter and grind bands like Carcass and Napalm Death, especially the melodic death sounds sounds of At The Gates and In Flames and you have metalcore. More metallic and generally a more technical style of hardcore with breakdowns and clean sung parts as well for better or for worse.

Metalcore Thread

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SCREAMO
The words in here were provided by a friend





Screamo is a more chaotic spin off of emotive hardcore (emo). Although the vocals in both genres are very similar, the song structures were distinctly different. In emo the songs often featured long clean builds which would explode into complete chaos, where as screamo was much more to the point, played faster with tons of sudden starts and stops.

Key early screamo bands include Anomie (France) , Portraits Of Past (California), Saetia (New York), and Orchid (Massachusetts) among many others.

Since it's birth in the early mid 90's screamo has amassed a very loyal and devoted underground following. Although it's experienced no mainstream success the genre has managed to grow into a wide spread community and shows no sign of slowing down or compromising to appeal to a larger crowd.

Key currently active screamo bands. Circle Takes The Square (Georgia), Raein (Italy), Loma Prieta (California), Ampere (Massachusetts), Comadre (California), Danse Macabre (Germany).

As far as the actual "sound" goes. Screamo, like emo has a very raw almost live feel to it. Along with this, hardcore punk influences (emo's parent genre) are very prevalent also. The vocals are typically the driving force of the music, they are mostly screamed, however group yells and spoken words are also common practice, where as singing is a scarce quality in screamo but it happens occasionally (see Neil Perry, Dot Flash Line and Kodan Armada).




The small amount of singing that is in screamo is never the vocal focus, in fact it's hardly even an accent. Typically it will consist of single notes carried out for a few seconds at a time to add atmosphere or to accent a certain lyric (Khayembii Communique did a bit of this, most notable in the song AM 1200).

Guitar wise screamo consists of short melodic intros/fills, harmonized power chords and small minimal note leads as accent where seen fit. The song structure is very choppy, and to some it may seem random. Due to it's chaotic nature it's less likely to ever attain mass appeal.

Over the past few years it's become common place for people to ignorantly label modern post hardcore bands as "screamo" because of their vocals. Due to the vast bastardization of the term, many people will go to great lengths to avoid it all together.

As you can imagine it gets really old having to explain the difference between the fake bullshit and true screamo. And it gets really old when you have to cut in when every time the term is used/brought up to make it known that "when I say screamo, I'm talking about bands like Welcome The Plague Year or Tristan Tzara, not the modern post hardcore bullshit you're probably thinking of.

[I am the Hateful Raven]

I'm still on the process of deciding whether to Include Post-Punk/Hardcore, regardless of it being Included here on the main page or not, feel free to discuss anything related about it.


EDIT: No chance of adding the Genre here on the main page.

[I am the Hateful Raven]

Aaaaaand teh last one.

[hyperprism]

And the point of this thread is...?

[I am the Hateful Raven]

Concentration Cramps

And the point of this thread is...?

^_^

[Bloodbirds]

Go crust and hardcoooore, even though I don't listen to any definable bands of either genreeeee, only fusions with metaaalllllll.

The only actual punk band I listen to is a local band, and I don't even know how to define them, or if they would even be good in the Danneths eyes.