Hobby Lobby

[Tuah]

Rachuul

Mister Okami

Rachuul

I love all the liberals losing their s**t over this.

I think it's great. I think it's amazing they didn't let Obama and his lackies bully them into shutting down.

Oh, so they don't want to be FORCED to pay for birth control and abortions? Good.
Good for ******** them.

If you don't like their ideals, or their beliefs , then don't work for them. And don't purchase things from their stores. It's that simple. Seriously, it's that easy.

I think I will go to HL today. I need some more scrap book paper.

Except birth control isn't just used to prevent pregnancy and that's a major problem.

Also like someone mentioned, it sets a precedent that other corporations can potentially refuse to cover certain medical expenses on the grounds of it being against their religion.

Nevermind that it's extremely hypocritical to deny women birth control, something a lot of them need to control certain health issues, but allow Viagra to men.

Oh no.... Other cooperation a night take a stand for their moral beliefs? :/ the humanity.

"The Lord heals all ailments, so no, you don't get chemotherapy."

^ This is now a thing.

[Conservatism]

Mister Okami

Conservatism

Also even if you take the morality away from this topic there's still the economic portion of it, and the fact is that forcing a company to add birth control to their workers insurance policy hurts their income and therefore workers become far more of a risk to that company than they would be otherwise so they have to supplement this either with layoffs or by increasing their prices. Or by receiving less income but it's more beneficial to the company if they do one of the first two options stated.

You know that actually doesn't make any sense. Because if they were that worried about the money, again, birth control wouldn't be their main issue.

Explain.

[chaneldumpster]

Cole Cane

GunsmithKitten

What HL did wasn't that outrageous when you actually look at it. A bit dickish, but not worthy of outrage.

The precedent this sets, however, chills me.

I think its just ridiculous how a corporation can choose whether or not you can get birth control.

You tell it str8 sister
Hobby lobby needs to get their religious d**k out of womens v****a. Nobody cares that its christian based.

[Mister Okami]

Conservatism

Explain.

Why would they stop at just birth control, if they were that worried about hurting their income? They'd have better results by switching providers or only offering the bare minimum coverage for their employees. Those are ways you actually save money because in retrospect, birth control isn't that expensive.

Nevermind the hypocrisy of it all..

[SirPuzzle]

I knew someone was going to make a thread about this Supreme Court case ruling.

I have to admit, the only reason I am in favor of the ruling is because I know it will piss off a lot of liberals.

[SirPuzzle]

F u j i b e r r y

******** scary.

Religions can now force their beliefs down your throat if you work for them. If a religion believed that prescription drugs, chemo therapy, having dogs as pets, and being in a monogamous relationship, and having children (and etc., etc.) isn't okay with them, then they can discriminate against you and force their beliefs down your throat.

Geez. Really? Do Christians ONLY think of themselves? I come from a very strict and religious family, but they should know that that's screwed up. If they don't, then ugh, hopefully I never find out.

Hopefully I don't ever have to work with someone who thinks sacrificing people to the devil or whatever is okay.

Jehovah's Witness = no blood transfusions [business doesn't pay for it, employees are free to get it and pay for it themselves]
Scientologists = no psychiatric drugs [business doesn't pay for it, employees are free to get it and pay for it themselves]
Muslims = No gelatin based capsule medicine [business doesn't pay for it, employees are free to get it and pay for it themselves]
And some anti-vaxers

People don't realize that it's NOT just about contraception pills.

Right......

So the government forcing a business to pay for the day after pill, that is not a form of forcing beliefs down people's throats even though lots of people are against the morning after pill. But the government not being able to force businesses to pay for (certain) contraceptives, thereby giving businesses the choice to pay for (certain) contraceptives, that is a form of forcing beliefs down people's throats.

Yeah that clearly makes a lot of sense because apparently choice implies forcing something down people's throats, whereas forcing people to do something by law is in fact not forcing something on people.

"discriminate against you and force their beliefs down your throat." where exactly is the discrimination here? This Supreme Court ruling ruled against an executive order made by the President requiring businesses to have healthcare plans that pay for contraceptives. This ruling stated that when it comes to certain contraceptives (not all of them) like the morning after pill for example, that businesses are not required to pay for them for their employees. This ruling does not prevent people from buying this stuff with their own money. An employee working at Hobby Lobby can very well pay for the morning after pill with their own money and the business cannot do anything about that, they cannot fire them for that reason. All this ruling did is say that businesses are not forced to pay for something, that's it.

"Geez. Really? Do Christians ONLY think of themselves?" the irony and hypocrisy in this statement is so obvious I really am wondering if I should even bother explaining myself. This to me seems like a test to weed out the sane and the honest, from the stupid and the dishonest.

[SirPuzzle]

Cole Cane

exactly my point. I feel like it no ones business what i put into my body. Its MY body.

So it's no one's business what you put in your body except when it comes to paying the bills for what you put in your body. As soon as the bill comes and someone has to pay for what you put in your money, all of a sudden it becomes the businesses business.

What is this kind of thinking called? I think it's called having your cake and eating it too.

[SirPuzzle]

Cole Cane

Robotic lalanono

Cole Cane

Robotic lalanono

...just out of curiosity...does Hobby Lobby offer paid maternity leave for their employees?

that one i do not know but it does offer viagra for men.

Well, I think it's only fair. If you are not going to provide birth control, you should provide paid maternity leave for new mothers who didn't receive help to prevent the pregnancy from happening.

i agree.

I have a better idea.

How about people pay their own s**t and take self responsibility.

Nah expecting people to be adults, that's just too cruel.

[Conservatism]

Mister Okami

Conservatism

Explain.

Why would they stop at just birth control, if they were that worried about hurting their income? They'd have better results by switching providers or only offering the bare minimum coverage for their employees. Those are ways you actually save money because in retrospect, birth control isn't that expensive.

Nevermind the hypocrisy of it all..

Regardless, they should be in charge of what their establishment provides to their employees insurance wise.

[Conservatism]

GoneCrazyResurrected

I knew someone was going to make a thread about this Supreme Court case ruling.

I have to admit, the only reason I am in favor of the ruling is because I know it will piss off a lot of liberals.

So what exactly happened?

[Conservatism]

GoneCrazyResurrected

Cole Cane

exactly my point. I feel like it no ones business what i put into my body. Its MY body.

So it's no one's business what you put in your body except when it comes to paying the bills for what you put in your body. As soon as the bill comes and someone has to pay for what you put in your money, all of a sudden it becomes the businesses business.

What is this kind of thinking called? I think it's called having your cake and eating it too.

That's liberal doublethink. They say

"Keep the government out of my uterus!"
then they turn around and say
"But make the government make someone else pay for my birth control!"

If I understand the situation I'm assuming Hobby Lobby doesn't have to pay for their employees' birth control.

[SirPuzzle]

Sadist Sedated

I'm confused. Is the deal that they're not giving their workers birth control, or is it that their workers are not allowed to be on birth control? Because the second is pretty ridiculous, but for the first, I don't see why people can't pay for their own birth control, especially when they obviously have a job...

The deal is that businesses are not forced to pay for certain kinds of contraceptives (not all contraceptives). Businesses are no longer forced to buy healthcare plans for their employees that cover certain kinds of contraceptives like the day after pill.

However like I said, this ruling does not apply to all forms of contraceptives, the mandate for businesses to pay for certain kinds of contraceptives still apply.

If you want more specific details about which contraceptives/birth control apply to this ruling and which don't, my recommendation would be to look at what a fact checking website says or read what a lawyer says about this. Do not listen to ideologues on either side of the political spectrum who will make the sweeping claim that this ruling applies to all contraceptives, they are wrong nor do they give a s**t about the facts.

So the first.

[Conservatism]

Roucoco

Cole Cane

GunsmithKitten

What HL did wasn't that outrageous when you actually look at it. A bit dickish, but not worthy of outrage.

The precedent this sets, however, chills me.

I think its just ridiculous how a corporation can choose whether or not you can get birth control.

You tell it str8 sister
Hobby lobby needs to get their religious d**k out of womens v****a. Nobody cares that its christian based.

Their religion IS out of everybodies vaginas. That's why they choose not to provide their employees birth control. Their employees can still go and buy their own birth control.

[Conservatism]

Tuah

Rachuul

Mister Okami

Rachuul

I love all the liberals losing their s**t over this.

I think it's great. I think it's amazing they didn't let Obama and his lackies bully them into shutting down.

Oh, so they don't want to be FORCED to pay for birth control and abortions? Good.
Good for ******** them.

If you don't like their ideals, or their beliefs , then don't work for them. And don't purchase things from their stores. It's that simple. Seriously, it's that easy.

I think I will go to HL today. I need some more scrap book paper.

Except birth control isn't just used to prevent pregnancy and that's a major problem.

Also like someone mentioned, it sets a precedent that other corporations can potentially refuse to cover certain medical expenses on the grounds of it being against their religion.

Nevermind that it's extremely hypocritical to deny women birth control, something a lot of them need to control certain health issues, but allow Viagra to men.

Oh no.... Other cooperation a night take a stand for their moral beliefs? :/ the humanity.

"The Lord heals all ailments, so no, you don't get chemotherapy."

^ This is now a thing.

They aren't saying "You don't get chemotherapy". They're saying "We choose not to provide you coverage for chemotherapy."

Yes there is a big difference and yes you are misinterpreting the employer's right to choose what they personally cover in terms of their employees' insurance coverage.

[SirPuzzle]

Conservatism

GoneCrazyResurrected

I knew someone was going to make a thread about this Supreme Court case ruling.

I have to admit, the only reason I am in favor of the ruling is because I know it will piss off a lot of liberals.

So what exactly happened?

Remember when the ACA (The Affordable Care Act) was passed in the Congress (I believe it was in 2010)? Well at that time the mandate for businesses to buy health insurance plans that covered birth control was not in this original bill. Obama wrote an executive order that mandated businesses to buy health insurance plans for their employees that covered birth control and the mandate also applied to businesses. The only institutions that were exempt from this mandate were religious institutions, Obama's executive order mandate never applied to religious institutions (like Georgetown University for example, which then ties into the whole Sandra Fluke thing that happened a few years ago. Remember that? Remember that this case revolved around the university not paying for an employee's birth control? That's because GeorgeTown is considered a religious university, therefore the mandate doesn't apply to them and Sandra Fluke challenged this saying that it should apply to religious institutions).

Well this business called Hobby Lobby challenged this mandate on the grounds that it violated the first amendment of the Constitution because it infringed on their freedom of religion. Well the Supreme Court yesterday ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby's position saying that Obama's mandate does infringe on business owners religious freedoms, and therefore a part of the mandate was tossed into the trash because it's ruled as unconstitutional.

So now businesses are no longer forced by the government to pay for certain forms of birth control/contraceptives (not all of them though). If you want a detailed list of what forms of birth control are mandated still and which are no longer, you can research it. However it seems to my understanding that the forms of birth control that are still mandated to be covered are ones that prevent pregnancy from occurring in the first place, whereas contraceptives/birth control that terminate pregnancy (like the morning after pill) are no longer mandated by the government to be covered.