Mary-Sue/Stu, songfic, Englinese writers... should be shot.

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[Zract]

Yes, they should.

And I have reasons as to why...


Okay, let's start with the Mary-Sue/Stu writers.
Note: These fics are about as interesting as a log orgasming



Mary-Sues:
Do you honestly think that writing your own graceful, hidden-powered, mysterious, hyper, strong girl, who usually either ends up saving the world with the main character by sacrificing something is actually appealing? To some morons, it may be, but, to us long-term writers, we know better.

Sometimes the girl is overly hyper, or maybe cold... and some of you have about as much sense as a stick to make her a cold, heartless girl with a confusing past, and then throw her into story-telling scene where she tells he tale about how she lost her family in a tragic accident/murder/raid by bandits or worse yet a big fire.

This is brimming with originality. stare It helps that the character is always, ALWAYS graceful and moves fluently.

Oh, did I mention that he name is an American name, even though most fanfictions are based in... OH MY GAWD! JAPAN?! Who wouldda thought it!?

Then, the next day, the hottest guys is mysteriously nice to her and COMPLETELY out of character. Of course, it's probably then that the female characters are either the best of friends with her or complete bitches filled with jealously.

She saves the world, sacrificing something dear, sometimes her life (and of course, most of the story goes on about how brave she was and how she would never be forgotten for her bravery when she dies... blah blah...), but if she lives, then she is paired up with the author's ideal guy.

The writer, the character, and the plot should be put in an ittsy-bittsy-yellow-poka-dot-bikkini (mostly because it is the most embarrassing you will ever wear when you DIE!) and shot.


Mary-Stus
These in themselves are actually quite rare, but none-the-less, both writter, plot, and character should be shot -of course, ittsy-bittsy-yellow-poka-dot-bikkini included.

Now, what part do these guys play?

Well... usually, it's about some guys with wierd powers, if not someone to make another guy jealous (if this is a yaoi/shonen-ai fic) or is a side love story with a female character include *accesories and all...*

But still... the character has a mysterious past, no? Solution... stop writing the damn fic... or better yet, hunt down the author and kill them.



You try to fit Japanese into an ENGLISH fic
There are some talented writers out there, full of potential and greatness that will come to them later on it life... as soon as they realize that the Japanese language doesn't belong in an English fic. You do not see people adding bacon fat to a glass of water and drinking it. For one, it is bad for you just as the Japanese term "Gomen ni sai" is thrust into the fic. And so it crumbles like an animal cracker in the hands of a 4-year-old.

Most of the time when this happens the translation is put at the top of the page or the bottom, and sometimes, not at all.

Do you people go up to an English-speaking person and start speaking Japanese, or is this stupidity just a natural talent?



You all write crappy songfics
Yeah, you probably all don't want to hear it, but yes, your songfics suck with a passion.
I have seen a perfectly wonderful fic, fall to the ground with a splat because someone has got the balls/ovaries to put up Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" inserted where a charcter is singing infront of her mother's grave. Or, worse yet, Avril Lavene's work.

But the worse case senario with this would probably be the yaoi fic with the song: "My boo" by Usher.

May the person die by lack of a** blood. Why a** blood, I don't know.



Comments, flames, and whatever are open. Later peeps. PM me if you're upset about this post. I will help you extract that foot from your mouth. Angry rants will be met with a stapler up your a**. -holds up stapler- Back I say!

[Stormlight]

Zract

Yes, they should.

And I have reasons as to why...


Okay, let's start with the Mary-Sue/Stu writers.
Note: These fics are about as interesting as a log orgasming

Kind of like this topic.

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Mary-Stus
These in themselves are actually quite rare, but none-the-less, both writter, plot, and character should be shot -of course, ittsy-bittsy-yellow-poka-dot-bikkini included.

And the term is GARY-Stu, not Mary-Stu. At least get your terms right if you're going to rant about an already overdone topic.

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Comments, flames, and whatever are open. Later peeps. PM me if you're upset about this post. I will help you extract that foot from your mouth. Angry rants will be met with a stapler up your a**. -holds up stapler- Back I say!

I'll let you know whether this post upsets me or not just as soon as I'm done beating my head against the wall in the attempt to get this blatant lack of intelligent discussion pounded out of my brain. rolleyes

[Acacia_sadis]

ok while I do agree that mary sues/gary-stus are rather annoying you must rember that some oc are well written and aren't all my mother died tragicly by being eaten by the rhino form summon of her brothers sons' half granduncle twice removed. Also sometimes a tragic past is helpful to a storyline. I also find it kinda annoying when some one says something about the character helping to save the world with the main character and how they always give something up: may i direct your attenion to like every shojo manga i have ever read. I think the thing that makes most mary-sues what they are is the perfection, which i dislike as much as the rest of you, and the way over-done dramatic past.

I um dont really care about what they use in the story if it helps the writing and isn't just a buncha crap to make them look self-important

As for songfic again its the same as mary sues some of them are good some aren't its all how some one writes it. for instance I am a fanfiction writer and i have dabbled in song fic and have gotten some good reviews it all in how you write them. I really dont like ones that are all crappy and someone singing over a grave but if the song helps the story along it is acceptable to me.

but thats just me

[Stormlight]

Oh yeah. Songfics.

Apparently people have no idea what real songfics are, either.

A songfic is not a story wherein a character is singing some angsty crap over another character's grave or what have you. A songfic is a story wherein the author inserts certain song lyrics (usually two or three lines at a time) into certain parts of the story to enhance the theme of the story. Many authors write the story around the song (including myself). I have never read a story wherein the author writes a songfic using a madeup character, nor have I ever written one like that.

Well, except for one short scene in Legacy wherein I use a brief stanza from Bohemian Raphsody for comedic effect...

Of course, it takes skill to pull off writing a good songfic correctly, and most of them wind up being more distracting than helpful because the authors don't really know where to properly insert the lyrics and just stick 'em any old place that have no particular meaning. So really, if one doesn't understand what they're doing when they write songfics, then one shouldn't write them at all.

Actually, one shouldn't write them at all, anyway, because apparently it is now illegal to do so and can get a person sued for using copyrighted lyrics in their stories without express written permission. Not that that ever stops anybody...

stare

[xXxXlumberjaxXxX]

So you haven't really given a good reason as to why they should be shot. I'm still trying to see why you don't just skip over stories like that if they disgust you so much rolleyes

[Acacia_sadis]

Wait I can get in trouble for writing songfics? I do basically what you said tyhme can I get arrested or something?

[Stormlight]

Acacia_sadis

Wait I can get in trouble for writing songfics? I do basically what you said tyhme can I get arrested or something?

Well, I doubt the music companies are going to be seeking out every single person who ever wrote a songfic (I've written quite a few myself, although I'm eventually going to get around and rewrite them without lyrics), but yes. Should somebody from a music production corporation by chance happen to see a fic you wrote using lyrics that they hold the copyright to, then they legally have the right to track you down (and with the web these days, that's easily done) and sue you for every cent you own for using those lyrics without their express permission, because what you're doing is commiting copyright violation, whether you're earning money from those fics or not.

This is why large community sites like fanfiction.net no longer allow songfics to be posted, not to mention fanfics about the novels of certain authors like Anne Rice and Mercedes Lackey (there are others, too) who have expressly forbid their characters to be used in any kind of fan work. It's to keep their noses clean and keep themselves out of trouble with the law.

People always whine and complain about ff.net "restricting their freedom of speech", and sometimes I agree, but on issues like this, I'm on ff.net's side. Large sites like ff.net and mediaminer are much easier targets for music corporations and publishing companies to go after, as opposed to smaller personal websites (doesn't mean those are entirely safe, either) which can be buried in the web and not worth the effort of tracking down. If enough publishing companies go after ff.net or mediaminer or whoever, they can be shut down and whoever runs the site could be sued or arrested. I don't blame them for wanting to keep themselves out of trouble.

Of course, there are still idiots out there who insist on completely ignoring the rules and posting songfics and such at ff.net anyway, not to mention plagiarism in general.

Plagiarists, btw (in reference to this topic header) are the ones who give fanfiction writers a bad name and THEY are the ones who deserve to be shot, just for being stupid enough to think they can get away with it. It'd be doing them a favor, really. It amazes me that most of them have the ability to walk upright and breathe at the same time, given their IQ levels. rolleyes

[Fallen Snow]

Though I agree with the overdone OMG!MARYGARYSUESTUHATEKILLMAIMDIEDEATHBYSNOTTING!11!!!eleventy, as well as the rant against the poorly written songfics that aren't really songfics at all but an excuse to have characters emulate the latest band craze, using some Japanese in anime fics...that doesn't really bother me, depending on the term. For one thing, an occasional usage of the word helps remind the audience that the work is not set in America/England/Canada/Yugoslavia, etc. but in Japan. For two...there are some words that simply don't translate well. Rather than trying to use an entire sentence or a large phrase to explain a word, simply use the Japanese/French/Russian word instead. Most of the anime fandom will be familiar with the terms, and if they're not, it would be just as easy to type up a long-winded explanation of the word in the end as a sort of glossary.

Of course, randomly throwing in something like "Baka!" is simply, ironically enough, stupid. However, there are certain terms, like "Sayoonara," that imply something entirely different from the word "Goodbye."

-shrug- To each his own.