what's wrong with being gay/bi

[troubled love life mule]

Dark Lord Drake

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The validity of Levitican law being canceled hinges on if Jesus was christ or not. If he was, the laws were voided by him. If he was not, then they were not.

Proof plox. You're just claiming this. Have yet to see any quotes to prove it as such.

I"ll walk you through this.

Do Jews belive Jesus was the son of god?

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Normal IS the majority of occurences. If your baby weighs 20 pounds, it is not normal. If your baby weighs 3 ounces, it is not normal. Whether anything is exactly wrong with your baby or not is irrelevant, its just not normal.

So... What's wrong with something that falls out of the social norm?

Nothing is inherently wrong with something that is deviant, deviancy is good for society, christ why is this concept so hard to understand?

>_> That's what we have been trying to get you to realize, damnit.

My a** you have. When did I ever say that deviancy is bad? Never. Never ever ever. I said deviancy is resisted. And it is, you can see it in the anti-gay movement. You just jumped on me because I used the word "deviant."

Don't try to backpedal now.

Accusing me of backpedaling when you yourself were just doing the exact same thing? Oh lovely. Failing to provide sources, thinly vailed insults at my inteligence and that of Azahara....what absolute twaddle. I would leave now if it were not for you probably assuming yourself to be the victor.

I've provided my source at least twice now.

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Worldwide, heterosexuality is the norm. There are, like I said before, more polygynous marriages than monogamous ones. This implies heterosexuality in the participants. There are more male/female marriage rituals than there are male/male or female/female. This implies heterosexuality in the participants of these rituals.

I'd introduce you to a concept I like to call "outliers" but I'm afraid that'll be another 10 pages of arguing what basic words mean.

I know what outliers are, I'm not stupid, contrary to your belief.

I would like to point out to you though, that just because there are more hetero marriage rituals then homo ones, doesn't mean its more common to be straight. Gay marriage is still illegal in most places, and definitely frowned upon in places its not. Using actual legal marriage rituals as a statistic is pointless.

How else would you study these phenomena?

Maybe by finding out via a census how many people are gay, bi, straight, asexual, etc, and what their fetishes are. Do that, and if your study shows most of the people in the entire world are actually straight, and not even remotely anything else, then I will concede. As of right now, due to the general ideas about gay marriage, using marriage ritual statistics mean jack s**t.

These results couldnt possibly be misconstrued in any way by the participants or distribution, I agree.

Then you can't prove for certain, 100%, that around the entire world, being 100% straight is normal. Because its relative to where you are, and there really is no such thing as truly normal.

I, too, have no idea what an average is.

[troubled love life mule]

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Nothing is inherently wrong with something that is deviant, deviancy is good for society, christ why is this concept so hard to understand?

>_> That's what we have been trying to get you to realize, damnit.

My a** you have. When did I ever say that deviancy is bad? Never. Never ever ever. I said deviancy is resisted. And it is, you can see it in the anti-gay movement. You just jumped on me because I used the word "deviant."

Don't try to backpedal now.

Accusing me of backpedaling when you yourself were just doing the exact same thing? Oh lovely. Failing to provide sources, thinly vailed insults at my inteligence and that of Azahara....what absolute twaddle. I would leave now if it were not for you probably assuming yourself to be the victor.

I've provided my source at least twice now.

I'm not ordering a $30 book and reading it to find something to back your side of the argument, and the second one only gives me links to Jimmy Kimmel's TV show.

[Dark Lord Drake]

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Dark Lord Drake

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The validity of Levitican law being canceled hinges on if Jesus was christ or not. If he was, the laws were voided by him. If he was not, then they were not.

Proof plox. You're just claiming this. Have yet to see any quotes to prove it as such.

I"ll walk you through this.

Do Jews belive Jesus was the son of god?

No.

[Eromreven]

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Nothing is inherently wrong with something that is deviant, deviancy is good for society, christ why is this concept so hard to understand?

>_> That's what we have been trying to get you to realize, damnit.

My a** you have. When did I ever say that deviancy is bad? Never. Never ever ever. I said deviancy is resisted. And it is, you can see it in the anti-gay movement. You just jumped on me because I used the word "deviant."

Don't try to backpedal now.

Accusing me of backpedaling when you yourself were just doing the exact same thing? Oh lovely. Failing to provide sources, thinly vailed insults at my inteligence and that of Azahara....what absolute twaddle. I would leave now if it were not for you probably assuming yourself to be the victor.

I've provided my source at least twice now.

I'm not ordering a $30 book and reading it to find something to back your side of the argument, and the second one only gives me links to Jimmy Kimmel's TV show.

If you don't want to actually read the source, that's not really my fault.

Also the Gendered Society is by michael s. kimmel, not jimmy kimmel hahahahahahah

[Kepheo]

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How else would you study these phenomena?

Maybe by finding out via a census how many people are gay, bi, straight, asexual, etc, and what their fetishes are. Do that, and if your study shows most of the people in the entire world are actually straight, and not even remotely anything else, then I will concede. As of right now, due to the general ideas about gay marriage, using marriage ritual statistics mean jack s**t.

These results couldnt possibly be misconstrued in any way by the participants or distribution, I agree.

Then you can't prove for certain, 100%, that around the entire world, being 100% straight is normal. Because its relative to where you are, and there really is no such thing as truly normal.

I, too, have no idea what an average is.

You can't tell me that on the entire planet, being 100% straight is average, you can't. Its relative. RELATIVE.

I will go back to the baby statement, because this is the cold hard truth. Int he US, the average size of a newborn baby *not the NORMAL, btw* is about 7 pounds. Here, the normal *HERE, normal* is between 3 and 5 pounds. Where you live, it could be normal for a baby to be born larger than 10 pounds. Normal is relative to where you are, and when you are there.

In WW2 Germany, it was normal to hate Jews. Is that normal now? Here? No. See my point?

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How else would you study these phenomena?

Maybe by finding out via a census how many people are gay, bi, straight, asexual, etc, and what their fetishes are. Do that, and if your study shows most of the people in the entire world are actually straight, and not even remotely anything else, then I will concede. As of right now, due to the general ideas about gay marriage, using marriage ritual statistics mean jack s**t.

These results couldnt possibly be misconstrued in any way by the participants or distribution, I agree.

Then you can't prove for certain, 100%, that around the entire world, being 100% straight is normal. Because its relative to where you are, and there really is no such thing as truly normal.

I, too, have no idea what an average is.

You can't tell me that on the entire planet, being 100% straight is average, you can't. Its relative. RELATIVE.

I will go back to the baby statement, because this is the cold hard truth. Int he US, the average size of a newborn baby *not the NORMAL, btw* is about 7 pounds. Here, the normal *HERE, normal* is between 3 and 5 pounds. Where you live, it could be normal for a baby to be born larger than 10 pounds. Normal is relative to where you are, and when you are there.

In WW2 Germany, it was normal to hate Jews. Is that normal now? Here? No. See my point?

ITs a good thing we've been talking in the present tense this whole time!

Also who said anything about 100 percent straight? If you self--identify as heterosexual and perform heterosexual rituals, you're heterosexual. That's the only way we can really study you.

[troubled love life mule]

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My a** you have. When did I ever say that deviancy is bad? Never. Never ever ever. I said deviancy is resisted. And it is, you can see it in the anti-gay movement. You just jumped on me because I used the word "deviant."

Don't try to backpedal now.

Accusing me of backpedaling when you yourself were just doing the exact same thing? Oh lovely. Failing to provide sources, thinly vailed insults at my inteligence and that of Azahara....what absolute twaddle. I would leave now if it were not for you probably assuming yourself to be the victor.

I've provided my source at least twice now.

I'm not ordering a $30 book and reading it to find something to back your side of the argument, and the second one only gives me links to Jimmy Kimmel's TV show.

If you don't want to actually read the source, that's not really my fault.

If you fail to provide a publicly acessable source, then it's not a source. It's a book on amazon.com.

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Also the Gendered Society is by michael s. kimmel, not jimmy kimmel hahahahahahah

You should have said that. My mind isn't here, it's on that slice of brownie in the kitchen calling my name.

[troubled love life mule]

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Also who said anything about 100 percent straight?

*cough* backpedaling....pretty sure it's you who said that straight was the norm, others were deviating from that norm.

[troubled love life mule]

Hasta lasagnia. Browny tiem.

[Kepheo]

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Azahara Suncrest

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These results couldnt possibly be misconstrued in any way by the participants or distribution, I agree.

Then you can't prove for certain, 100%, that around the entire world, being 100% straight is normal. Because its relative to where you are, and there really is no such thing as truly normal.

I, too, have no idea what an average is.

You can't tell me that on the entire planet, being 100% straight is average, you can't. Its relative. RELATIVE.

I will go back to the baby statement, because this is the cold hard truth. Int he US, the average size of a newborn baby *not the NORMAL, btw* is about 7 pounds. Here, the normal *HERE, normal* is between 3 and 5 pounds. Where you live, it could be normal for a baby to be born larger than 10 pounds. Normal is relative to where you are, and when you are there.

In WW2 Germany, it was normal to hate Jews. Is that normal now? Here? No. See my point?

ITs a good thing we've been talking in the present tense this whole time!

Also who said anything about 100 percent straight? If you self--identify as heterosexual and perform heterosexual rituals, you're heterosexual. That's the only way we can really study you.

Even so, the truth is that no one is 100 percent heterosexual, therefore being straight is still not the average, nor the norm. Technically, if you are to apply this knowledge to the bell curve, being bi is normal, because being 100% one way or the other is nigh impossible.

But like I said, its still relative to where you are, and when you are there.

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Accusing me of backpedaling when you yourself were just doing the exact same thing? Oh lovely. Failing to provide sources, thinly vailed insults at my inteligence and that of Azahara....what absolute twaddle. I would leave now if it were not for you probably assuming yourself to be the victor.

I've provided my source at least twice now.

I'm not ordering a $30 book and reading it to find something to back your side of the argument, and the second one only gives me links to Jimmy Kimmel's TV show.

If you don't want to actually read the source, that's not really my fault.

If you fail to provide a publicly acessable source, then it's not a source. It's a book on amazon.com.

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Also the Gendered Society is by michael s. kimmel, not jimmy kimmel hahahahahahah

You should have said that. My mind isn't here, it's on that slice of brownie in the kitchen calling my name.

Its publicly accesable. You can go buy it. Or check it out in the library. Also, how do you think academia works, jebus.

[Eromreven]

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Also who said anything about 100 percent straight?

*cough* backpedaling....pretty sure it's you who said that straight was the norm, others were deviating from that norm.

We're defining straight differently. As per my usage, if you self-identify as straight and engage in straight rituals, you're straight, no matter if you have a gay thought once in a while. There's no percentage about it.

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These results couldnt possibly be misconstrued in any way by the participants or distribution, I agree.

Then you can't prove for certain, 100%, that around the entire world, being 100% straight is normal. Because its relative to where you are, and there really is no such thing as truly normal.

I, too, have no idea what an average is.

You can't tell me that on the entire planet, being 100% straight is average, you can't. Its relative. RELATIVE.

I will go back to the baby statement, because this is the cold hard truth. Int he US, the average size of a newborn baby *not the NORMAL, btw* is about 7 pounds. Here, the normal *HERE, normal* is between 3 and 5 pounds. Where you live, it could be normal for a baby to be born larger than 10 pounds. Normal is relative to where you are, and when you are there.

In WW2 Germany, it was normal to hate Jews. Is that normal now? Here? No. See my point?

ITs a good thing we've been talking in the present tense this whole time!

Also who said anything about 100 percent straight? If you self--identify as heterosexual and perform heterosexual rituals, you're heterosexual. That's the only way we can really study you.

Even so, the truth is that no one is 100 percent heterosexual, therefore being straight is still not the average, nor the norm. Technically, if you are to apply this knowledge to the bell curve, being bi is normal, because being 100% one way or the other is nigh impossible.

But like I said, its still relative to where you are, and when you are there.

I'm just going to jump in and say that this looks like it's going to come down to semantics. I don't know what you mean by "100% straight." If you're not sexually attracted to the same sex, and you're attracted to the opposite, you're straight. Maybe you have some other view or definition of straight. I can't say I see it from your point of view though.