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What should be done about drug laws?

Keep them as they are; illegal 0.20220994475138 20.2% [ 183 ]
Allow drugs for medical use only 0.17900552486188 17.9% [ 162 ]
Legalise soft drugs (such as marijuana) 0.33480662983425 33.5% [ 303 ]
Legalise all drugs 0.20220994475138 20.2% [ 183 ]
Poll 'ho 0.081767955801105 8.2% [ 74 ]
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Contents:

1: Are drugs bad?
2: Is use increasing?
3: A case study and a little history
4: What are the costs of the drug war?
5: What positive things have drugs done, and what can they do?
6: Summary

Are drugs “bad”?


The mantra that “drugs are bad” overlooks one thing: we consume drugs, in various forms, every day. Aspirin, prescription painkillers, antihistamines, anti-inflammatories, caffeine, psychiatric medicine, antibiotics, chocolate, hormonal contraceptives...the list goes on. These are all drugs, they all alter your body and/or mind’s functioning and all have side effects which can, when too much is taken, be fatal. There is no exception: there is always a limit.

Even in 1500s, Hohenheim said "All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not a poison".

But of course, we’re talking about recreational drugs. Drugs you don’t need (not that you need aspirin, contraceptives, nootropics or allergy controllers to survive).

Which is where we hit our first obstacle. “If we don’t need it, we shouldn’t do it”. Well, what you’re doing right now is not necessary for physical or mental functioning or well-being. A good chunk of your waking day is probably spent doing things that do not keep you alive or healthy- but you do them anyway. You enjoy them.

So we run to our next refuge- they are dangerous.

Well...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6474053.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6429239.stm

Alcohol and tobacco are much worse in terms of damage to society, the individual and addiction chances than many of the other drugs we consider dangerous and evil: marijuana, LSD, inhalants (including solvents), ecstasy - and alcohol is worse than amphetamines.

http://www.procon.org/AddictChart.htm
Three doctors rated the addictiveness of caffeine, cocaine, marijuana, heroin, alcohol and nicotine. Results varied, but what was proven unanimously was that alcohol is more addictive than marijuana- two said it was worse than cocaine. One even said alcohol was worse than heroin in terms of addiction. All said caffeine was more addictive than marijuana. CAFFEINE.

Oh, and...
http://tinyurl.com/yp6h5v

The most dangerous drug in toxicity? Heroin. Followed quickly by alcohol. Notice how some of our favourite drugs have a very low safety rating, whilst LSD, psilocybin and marijuana require you to take upwards of 1000 doses to reach the wonderful world of LD-50.

So, whilst drugs are “dangerous”- they’re not nearly as dangerous as you’ve been led to think.

But it’s a complete lie if I were to say that drug use poses no dangers, and that the drug educators have been lying non-stop. Drugs can be fatal if used improperly- but that’s just is- improperly. What about responsible use?

Well, apparently there’s enough responsible users for something called the Responsible Drug User’s Oath to exist
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=The Responsible Drug User's Oath

We have websites devoted to giving information and advice on drugs– often getting up to 55,000 hits per day.
http://www.dextroverse.org/
http://www.erowid.org/
http://www.ecstasydata.org/
http://www.dancesafe.org/

Even such a sensationalised drug such as ecstasy has 2 huge sites devoted to giving advice on how to us drugs responsibly.

http://tinyurl.com/2unjkn
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4230985.stm
http://tinyurl.com/23u4b3

Turns out that with self control, you can use heroin responsibly and now allow it to become a habit. In fact, many of these users were holding high-end jobs and a family, all while using heroin every now and then. For an average of 7 years each. Only 7% of the 126 studied described their health as “bad or very bad”.

Some users agree too.
http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/Opiates/safe.and.fun.html

So, you do have to wonder: if it’s possible to use even the most dangerous drugs without having detrimental effects on your health, wellbeing or personal development- then why are drugs illegal?
Is “dangerous” drug use increasing?


(#1) http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/
(#2) http://www.dare.uk.com/Pages/Static/UKDrugTrends.aspx

Trends from the mid 90s to recently (2003- though I can’t find any real things for anything more recently, but please post it if you can!) suggest that, when push comes to shove, drug use is on the increase. At quite an alarming rate- despite year-upon-year increases in budget. Even the UK form of D.A.R.E admits it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2925972.ece
Looks like cocaine, amphetamine and cannabis use are increasing. Particularly in the UK, who are major fighter in the drug war.

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/policy/budget.html
Look at the link above- every publication demands and receives an increase in drug control budget. But what effect has it had? Mixed results, apparently. Some studies from link #1 suggest its falling- though the rate of reduction is certainly reducing.

http://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/drugsalcohol/drugsalcohol86.htm
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Proof, right from the horses mouth. The current young generation (16-24) has used more drugs than the working population of the UK as a whole (16-59). Not only is there a higher use in the previous year AND month- but also more younger people have used drugs at least once than considerably older people. That’s right: more people who’ve lived a shorter life have actually done drugs compared to those who’ve been around for half a century.

And what have these people had, that people born pre-1960 haven’t? The drug war.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article3061121.ece
It’s not as if all the police are all that happy with enforcing such a poorly-thought out policy, either.
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The number of drug users has increased dramatically. Drug-related crime has soared equally sharply as a direct consequence of the illegality of some drugs. The vast profits from illegal trading have supported a massive rise in organised crime
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If policy on drugs is in the future to be pragmatic not moralistic, driven by ethics not dogma, then the current prohibitionist stance will have to be swept away as both unworkable and immoral. Such a strategy leads inevitably to the legalisation and regulation of all drugs."



A case study and a little history


http://www.drugwarfacts.org/thenethe.htm
http://www.csdp.org/ads/dutch2.htm
http://tinyurl.com/2ps3qy

Cliché? You betcha. But The Netherlands is a great example of how drug policy can be effectively implemented to create a safe haven for drugs. Even with police that tolerate marijuana to the point where it’s practically legal- the rate of marijuana use is less than half of the US. They have:

- Lower overall drug use
- Lower hard drug use in particular
- Drug addiction is no different- some studies suggest it is lower


http://leap.cc/Publications/End_Prohibition_NOW_07-04-18.pdf
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Since they separate soft drug purchases allowing them to be bought in coffee shops, users don’t have to buy their marijuana from criminal dealers who would rather sell them hard drugs. The result is the per capita use of hard drugs, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, etc. is one-forth what is in the U.S.


Looks like a country where they've (practically) legalised a few soft drugs has had a huge effect on soft drug use and hard drug use.


http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/ille-e/presentation-e/keizer-e.htm

There has been no notable increase in drug use, addiction and there is no evidence that the drug policy has caused any increase in an illegal drug trade- at any point since the introduction of the liberal Dutch drug laws. To quote from the article:

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Finally, at the practical and policy levels there is a growing awareness that the existing collection of tools, which is dominated to a large extent by the international drug treaties, is inadequate for the purpose of making the drug problem truly manageable.


And fact is, even illegal drugs are here to stay. They've been used in all sorts of ways in all cultures, ranging from alcohol and tobacco to opium, marijuana and mushrooms. It's been like that THROUGHOUT history. It seems that it's almost natural for a society to involve a fairly high (no pun intended) number of people who want to alter their body and mind with drugs. So what politicians are doing is just waging a war on...human nature?

http://www.geocities.com/responsibleuse/Need.html

The above link is a great example of how drug use is so prevalent- how altering consciousness seems to be common, even from childhood.

What are the costs of the drug war?

We’ve already established that it’s highly likely the drug use will decrease if drugs are legalised. The whole taboo issue comes into play- you want what you can’t have. Drugs illegal? Use is bound to spike. But make them available, and use- including use amongst teenagers, the issue most often brought up (and rightly so) with drug legalisation- will decrease. It’s just not as rebellious- and kids won’t harm themselves with these drugs just to rebel.

http://leap.cc/Publications/End_Prohibition_NOW_07-04-18.pdf
”page 12”
The researchers couldn’t square this fact in their minds so they went to Amsterdam and spoke with The Nertherlands’ drug czar, who happens to be the Minister of Health, because in Amsterdam they treat drug use as a health problem rather than as a crime problem. When the Minister was asked “How can this be?” he answered very sensibly, “Well, I think what we have done in Holland, is we have managed to make pot boring.” Young people are not likely to act out by doing things they believe are boring. Children in the Netherlands know that when they reach the age of 18 they can go to a coffee shop and get all the marijuana they want. What this means is they don’t start using drugs at the tender age of fourteen, which is the entry-level age for drug use in the United States.”


Not to mention, of course, that if drugs were legal- we’d have age restrictions. And personally, I trust a major high-street chain not to sell drugs to children more than a drug dealer. Oddly enough, drug dealers don’t check for IDs.

Fact is, a lot of kids actually GET alcohol from their parents, since they can’t get away with looking 18/21/whatever.
http://www.harpers.co.uk/news/4921/Parents-urged-not-to-supply-th.ehtml

And the use of currently illegal drugs is low compared to alcohol, that few teenagers will even have parents who have these drugs, let alone parents who’ll let their kids have some too. So their access to these drugs will be much more restricted than it is now. You’ll always have fake ID’s and getting older friends to buy them for you- but I’d rather have them doing that than buying from a shady dealer, wouldn’t you agree?


This taboo on drugs, whilst making them alluring and possibly setting up teenagers for habits which it’s best if they just don’t have, also has an even more unpleasant effect.

Information on drugs is few and far between. The idea that drug users just do drugs and never research them is very poorly thought out- but the fact that they’re illegal is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you knew nothing about drugs, but wanted to do them- where would you start? Obviously, you can’t trust government sites. The only advice they’ll give you is “DON’T DO THEM, EVAR”.

But the point is: where do drug users get their information? Obviously, the government won’t educate people about responsible use. So when people DO want to do drugs, it can have disastrous consequences
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Betts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Wood

You hear you must drink water and keep hydrated on ecstasy– but what you don’t realise is that you can also have TOO much water.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2641369.ece
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“Ambulance call-outs (related to magic mushroom use in the Netherlands) rose from 70 in 2005 to 128 last year, with nine out of ten cases involving tourists.”


More proof that a more liberal policy of drugs will increase safe usage? In the Netherlands, literally 9 times out 10 it’s a tourist that’s behind misusing a drug. A tourist who’s probably only come to the country to get high- never having done research and being brought up in a country which gave access to the information necessary FOR such research. And the citizens of the Netherlands? Well, they don’t use drugs all that often- and when they do, this clearly shows they usually do it safety. In fact, those who live in the Netherlands often comment on how conservative people are in their personal lives.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6563051.stm
But the users aren’t the only ones put at risk by this war. In many countries, the quickest route to fortune is the illegal drugs trade. Gangs promise people riches, in exchange for a little service. We all hear about the people who swallow condoms filled with heroin- but what about before the drugs are even exported? In Mexico, in 2006, 2000 people were murdered in drug-related gang feuds and police shootouts. That’s one country, in one year: who knows what the death toll is worldwide?

But enough emphatic arguments. As effective as they are- the simplest way to show the cost in a way that hits you directly is simply the amount it takes from your pocket, per year.

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm
$49 billion is what this war is costing America per year.

What could $49 billion do? That is the question. The extra funding for police, or education- or whatever. But $49 billion is a huge amount to be freed- you have to admit. Considering a patrol officer costs $50,000 per year in salary- you can pay for the salaries of 980,000 patrol officers by legalising drugs. Or teachers? Well, they cost roughly the same per year as a salary. So per year, you could pay for the salaries of 490,000 high school teachers and 490,000 patrol officers.

But that’s just the beginning. That $49 billion doesn’t include costs to the justice system, prison costs and also treatment for addicts (we’ve already established legalisation is unlikely to increase use- let alone addiction rates).

Also, from the same site (drugsense.org):
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Police arrested an estimated 786,545 persons for marijuana violations in 2005, The total is the highest ever recorded by the FBI, and comprised 42.6 percent of all drug arrests in the United States.
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About 25 per cent (of prison inmates) are sentenced for drug law violations.
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Arrests for drug law violations in 2007 are expected to exceed the 1,678,192 arrests of 2003.

Someone is arrested every 20 seconds.


So, the costs of the drug war are that possession of drugs becomes a felony: simply having a drug on your person apparently makes you a danger to others, and you must be arrested. No doubt a waste of time and money when more than 750,000 people go through it per year, just for marijuana. 25% of the prison population could be freed- reducing the issue of mass overcrowding.

Not to mention, allowing police, judicial and prison funds to be diverted to criminals who actually DID harm somebody- say, murderers? Rapists?

And now we move onto other economic issues. Indirect economic costs- and costs to the user.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/economi.htm
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According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, "[T]he value of the global illicit drug market for the year 2003 was estimated at US$13 bn [billion] at the production level, at $94 bn at the wholesale level (taking seizures into account), and at US$322bn based on retail prices and taking seizures and other losses into account. This indicates that despite seizures and losses, the value of the drugs increase substantially as they move from producer to consumer."

And

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Drugs-PriceMarkUp2.jpg
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From production to street level– the value of drugs inflates by around 2500% (322/13 * 100 = 2477%), or by 25 times.

So with this in mind- you’d soon realise that drugs will free-fall in price. This will set a lot of alarm bells off, I can tell- but think of it another way. Those who do get addicted will have to pay much less for the drugs than they did before. What’s the main societal problem with addicts? Oh yes- stealing to pay for their habits. Not only have we established that the war on drugs has increased gang crime- but also that it’s indirectly increasing the damage addicts do to society.

Even with all these savings, those who are so inclined might even realise that we could tax the drugs. And even then, it’ll still be cheaper than it is now. And we’ve earlier established that drugs will safer and more reliably dosed too.

It’s obvious that people will stay away from the illegal drugs trade- again illustrating the point that gangs will lose out if we legalise drugs.

One final cost is a slightly more philosophical one. The cost of our freedom.

Everybody has the right to do what they want with their body. It's theirs, and provided they don't harm others in the process- what rational argument is there against them doing what they want to it?

Naturally, you can argue that drugs harm others- but this again is an argument of chance. They may harm others, but they may not. The user is responsible for themselves, even when intoxicated, and are responsible for any harm they do to others. And besides- there are few cases where somebody has actually harmed someone whilst on drugs, who didn’t have a previous psychological disturbance. The main example of a drug which causes uncharacteristic violence is...uh...alcohol.


What are the benefits of legalising drugs?


Well, as if removing the horrifying situation we have now isn’t benefit enough– some people were asking what the actual benefits- as opposed to the relative ones. Naturally, my eyes roll.

Medical use is one of the main arguments for legalisation: the illegality of such drugs reduces the research into their possible benefits– and the research that is and has been conducted is often ignored- again, because of the illegality.

Medical use of drugs ranges from simple things such as relieving pain (1) to actually halting or even reversing cancer- whilst also relieving the symptoms (2)

(1) http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/maraidnerpai.html
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f01/web3/roth.html
http://tinyurl.com/35d2l9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiates

(2) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7098340.stm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Support/marijuana
http://www.forbes.com/health/feeds/hscout/2007/04/17/hscout603764.html

But this is just the tip of the iceberg. Research into these drugs is restricted due to their illegality, and the little that is conducted is often ignored by the government. Despite the huge benefits offered.

Psychedelic psychotherapy has historically proven extremely effective in helping people with alcoholicism and post traumatic stress disorder- but access to LSD, psilocybin and MDMA (the frequently used drugs in therapy) is denied.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_psychotherapy
http://www.eleusis.us/entheogen-enhanced-psychotherapy/entheogenic-psychotherapy.php

LSD and magic mushrooms have been proven useful in helping cluster headaches- at sub-psychoactive doses. There is, again, no response to this by the US government.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_medical1.shtml

Again, mushrooms have been proven to be extremely effective at helping the unfortunate–reducing prison return rate from 60% to 25%. They have also been shown to catalyse religious experiences.
http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/leary_timothy/leary_timothy_concord_prison1.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_journal2.shtml

In summary-


Despite beliefs otherwise, legalising drugs WON’T make everyone suddenly take them. Drugs were legal for thousands of years within culture before the 1970s and no society collapsed because of it. And in the 1800s, Britain actually went to war with a country over it not supplying opium. And to me, it seems to be the most sensible option we have. Even if usage stays the same, legalising drugs is worth it just to stop the damage the drug war is causing.

The drug war is costing billions a year, and has yet to show any sign of succeeding

Drugs have existed for millennia without causing damage to society- why do we think it will now?

Drug use is likely to DECREASE upon decriminalisation

Drug use amongst children is almost certain to decrease upon decriminalisation

The dangers of drug use are certain to decrease upon decriminalisation

It is a person's right to do whatever they wish to themselves provided they don't harm others in the process- and it's perfectly possible for them to do this

Many illegal drugs have a huge potential for medical benefit- but their illegality makes research into this difficult- and the government will halt any attempt for these drugs to be available to those in need because of the war on drugs.


There are no reasons to keep drugs illegal, and yet somehow we still cling to this one policy which makes no progress and has no use- other than setting up a façade of concern for public health


Discuss:
How effective you think our drugs policy is;
Whether we should revamp our drugs policy;
Or even go as far as decriminalising or legalising all drugs?

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Legalize them all. The government should have no say over what I do to my body.
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Legalize them all. The government should have no say over what I do to my body.

What the laws prevent are you being high 24/7 and hindering the way others live while you're high. It's like public drunkeness, it's against the law because it's dangerous to the public. You might do things to people that are illegal, uncomfortable, dangerous, or just plain inappropriate if it were legal to stroll the streets drunk. Drugs are dangerous to you in a health sense, in a mental health sense, and in a sense of what you do while you're high.

I consider them poison.
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Legalize them all. The government should have no say over what I do to my body.

What the laws prevent are you being high 24/7 and hindering the way others live while you're high. It's like public drunkeness, it's against the law because it's dangerous to the public. You might do things to people that are illegal, uncomfortable, dangerous, or just plain inappropriate if it were legal to stroll the streets drunk. Drugs are dangerous to you in a health sense, in a mental health sense, and in a sense of what you do while you're high.

I consider them poison.


Public intoxication is illegal in most countries. Usually not enforced unless you're putting others at risk, but nevertheless illegal.

What I'm saying is, what's wrong with private intoxication? You can have someone there with you to make sure you don't go outside, and most drugs don't make an incoherent idiot who wantonly puts others at risk- unless you were already that type of person.
Drugs are absolute poison, as far as i'm concerned. However, legalising them may stop people from being sold actual poison, and make it less of a forbidden fruit. It won't stop people from taking them if they are illeagal. If they want to take them, they will. I don't see why tobbacco is legal when pot isn't.

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Legalize them all. The government should have no say over what I do to my body.

What the laws prevent are you being high 24/7 and hindering the way others live while you're high. It's like public drunkeness, it's against the law because it's dangerous to the public. You might do things to people that are illegal, uncomfortable, dangerous, or just plain inappropriate if it were legal to stroll the streets drunk. Drugs are dangerous to you in a health sense, in a mental health sense, and in a sense of what you do while you're high.

I consider them poison.

And if someone broke the law under the influence of a drug, they'd be held just as responsible as someone who breaks the law when they're drunk. Say ecstasy was legal, and I took some, and began having sex with someone in public. I'd still be arrested for that, whether the ecstasy was legal or illegal.
I think a lot of drug addicts (at least the ones who are trying to quit) would dislike the idea of having all drugs legalised. It's like if you're a smoker and they're right there at a nice legal store.
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Legalize them all. The government should have no say over what I do to my body.

What the laws prevent are you being high 24/7 and hindering the way others live while you're high. It's like public drunkeness, it's against the law because it's dangerous to the public. You might do things to people that are illegal, uncomfortable, dangerous, or just plain inappropriate if it were legal to stroll the streets drunk. Drugs are dangerous to you in a health sense, in a mental health sense, and in a sense of what you do while you're high.

I consider them poison.


Public intoxication is illegal in most countries. Usually not enforced unless you're putting others at risk, but nevertheless illegal.

What I'm saying is, what's wrong with private intoxication? You can have someone there with you to make sure you don't go outside, and most drugs don't make an incoherent idiot who wantonly puts others at risk- unless you were already that type of person.

You want me to say it bluntly? I think it is right for it to be illegal to privately destroy yourself. I think it is right that we have laws in place to allow us to intervene and stop them from harming themselves further, and in a few cases successfully rehabilitate addicts so they can go on to help others. If we make it legal, the kids on the brink will take it as the government endorsing and supporting the use of drugs, and it will be the 60s all over again, times ten.

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I am all for the legalization of marijuana. But all of those other drugs. Cocaine, LSD, heroin, crystal meth, so on and so forth. No.

A lot of those drugs, cocaine excluded, I beleive, are created in bathtubs and in other unsafe environments. Therefore, plenty of harmful chemicals could be put into them. They can kill you on your first time. Give you brain damage the first time. And you can become addicted on the first time.

If they created all of these drugs in safe environents and there was a uniform way of creating them and everyone knew what was in them, then, possible, but only possibly. Though, I would vote no for it, if I ever had a say in it.

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I am all for the legalization of marijuana. But all of those other drugs. Cocaine, LSD, heroin, crystal meth, so on and so forth. No.

A lot of those drugs, cocaine excluded, I beleive, are created in bathtubs and in other unsafe environments. Therefore, plenty of harmful chemicals could be put into them. They can kill you on your first time. Give you brain damage the first time. And you can become addicted on the first time.

If they created all of these drugs in safe environents and there was a uniform way of creating them and everyone knew what was in them, then, possible, but only possibly. Though, I would vote no for it, if I ever had a say in it.


Why should it be illegal to do something that can harm yourself? Tell me why you think the government has more say over your body than you do.
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You want me to say it bluntly? I think it is right for it to be illegal to privately destroy yourself.

Your personal opinion of drugs should have no precedence over whether someone should be prosecuted for choosing to take a drug which does no harm to you personally.
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I think it is right that we have laws in place to allow us to intervene and stop them from harming themselves further, and in a few cases successfully rehabilitate addicts so they can go on to help others.

Do you agree with the view that we'll effectively be able to help addicts and people harmed by drugs if they were legal.

Because how does making heroin illegal stop people from using dirty needles and help those are addicted?

Whereas, if heroin was legal, there'd be more medical help for them.
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If we make it legal, the kids on the brink will take it as the government endorsing and supporting the use of drugs, and it will be the 60s all over again, times ten.

Watch out for that slippery slope.

What do you make of marijuana being legal in the Netherlands with a lower use of marijuana than countries where it's illegal?

And what of the fact that alcohol use went up during prohibition?
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I am all for the legalization of marijuana. But all of those other drugs. Cocaine, LSD, heroin, crystal meth, so on and so forth. No.

A lot of those drugs, cocaine excluded, I beleive, are created in bathtubs and in other unsafe environments. Therefore, plenty of harmful chemicals could be put into them. They can kill you on your first time. Give you brain damage the first time. And you can become addicted on the first time.

If they created all of these drugs in safe environents and there was a uniform way of creating them and everyone knew what was in them, then, possible, but only possibly. Though, I would vote no for it, if I ever had a say in it.


If legalised, production WOULD be done safely in safe factories.

Yes, some can kill you first time, but that's usually because of impurities or you weren't sure how much to take and OD'd accidentally. Both could be reduced because they'd be standardised in doses, and impurities removed. The other cases are because of a rare body reaction to it, which can happen with aspirin.

No they can't get you properly addicted the first time. Addiction required a few times to do it. Nevertheless, I see what you mean. But if a person knows they could get addicted, which is kinda obvious, it's their body and their choice.

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A lot of those drugs, cocaine excluded, I beleive, are created in bathtubs and in other unsafe environments.

Not really. LSD synthesizing is something that's impossible for an amateur to do. It requires laboratory equipment and advanced knowledge of organic chemistry. Heroin, meth, and crack, yeah, you can make in your kitchen, but so what?

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okay if you want my two cents all drugs should not exist because they all do bad s**t to people no matter what drug it is no matter what evidence you have saying differently they ******** people's lives up. The only reason that cigs and beer are legal is because...
Cigs are too big of an industry to shut down we would loose a huge part of our economy.
Booze because we all know how that turned out don't we?
Those two drugs are also legal because they have the smallest effect on altering people.
Cigs prity much do nothing but give you cancer and cost money and the long term effects of most drugs like LSD and marijuana have not been tested much. So we don't really know. I say that because all the studies people posted up in the pro weed and what ever threads were maybe a month at the most, to have a long term study it needs to be over the course of at least 5-10 years, preferably 20-50 years. Since the effects of cigs are not obvious until maybe 3-60 years of use, it is most likely the same thing for other drugs.
Alcohole is legal also because it is a large staple of our economy, and because people like it, it is america's drug of choice. And if you don't drink often you won't have much a problem with it at all. The main thing that hurts people with Alcohole is drunk driving which if you are responsable should not be a problem. You can all ways find a way home and you should never drink alone either.
There is no proof also to say drugs like LSD and Marijuana and Coccain, and herion don't cause the same bad effects of both drugs, and a lot of people have had horrible experinces with familly members who use those drugs.
And caffine god who ******** cares about that. It is such a weak drug its crazy that any one would say it is bad, infact its one of those drugs that is probably more useful then harmful, the only thing it does is make you awake and then sleepy and possibly irritable after it is gone. People drink it to wake up in the morning its a nice thing to have. And your not going to go see some one beat the everloving s**t out of some one because they didn't get coffie or drank too much or want more and can't get it.
Now for my personal opion on things like this. Stop trying to get your illegal drug made legal because its not going to happen. Unless is pot then you might have a chance, if you can get all the stoners off their asses to make it happen. All other drugs there is no way, so stop advicating it you sound like a dumb a**, and an addict, and just plan stupid, its almost worse then those dumb christians who try to push their religion on you, or those dumb athiests who try to prove religion is fake, or any thing like that. Just shut the ******** up!

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I am all for the legalization of marijuana. But all of those other drugs. Cocaine, LSD, heroin, crystal meth, so on and so forth. No.

A lot of those drugs, cocaine excluded, I beleive, are created in bathtubs and in other unsafe environments. Therefore, plenty of harmful chemicals could be put into them. They can kill you on your first time. Give you brain damage the first time. And you can become addicted on the first time.

If they created all of these drugs in safe environents and there was a uniform way of creating them and everyone knew what was in them, then, possible, but only possibly. Though, I would vote no for it, if I ever had a say in it.


Why should it be illegal to do something that can harm yourself? Tell me why you think the government has more say over your body than you do.


Because they don't just harm you. Unless you lock yourself in a white room where no one else could possibly get in no matter what.

For one, cocaine has been known to cause aggression. That can cause you to hurt others around you. So therefore, you could possibly hurt yourself and anyone around you if you get angry for whatever reason. Plus, look at the effects cocaine use has on your body. Just go and look it up. I have also had plenty of friends do it and describe it to me. Apparently coming down, or 'crashing', is a real b***h.

LSD, I think it should be legal. However, that is another one of those drugs that people can really ******** up when making. If they made it legal, they would need to find a safe, uniform way of making it. And not in bathtubs. Because too many people make the drug and don't know exactly what they are doing. If you mess up, it can kill the user(s).

And I have no idea why they have more control over our bodies. I think it could be because there are a lot of morons in this world and they need to. But they really go over the top with it.

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