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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:53 pm
After 90 years in San Francisco high schools, the Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps must go, the San Francisco school board decided Tuesday night. The Board of Education voted 4-2 to eliminate the popular program, phasing it out over two years. Dozens of JROTC cadets at the board meeting burst into tears or covered their faces after the votes were cast. About 1,600 San Francisco students participate in JROTC at seven high schools across the district. Opponents said the armed forces should have no place in public schools, and the military's discriminatory stance on gays makes the presence of JROTC unacceptable. "We don't want the military ruining our civilian institutions," said Sandra Schwartz of the American Friends Service Committee, an organization actively opposing JROTC nationwide. "In a healthy democracy ... you contain the military. You must contain the military." This is where the kids feel safe, the one place they feel safe," Robert Powell, a JROTC instructor at Lincoln High School and a retired Army lieutenant colonel, said earlier in the evening. "You're going to take that away from them?"Earlier, Mayor Gavin Newsom weighed in on the debate, chastising the board for the effort to eliminate JROTC. Also the board introduced a resolution that makes race a factor in deciding what school a child will attend starting with the 2008-09 school year. No action was taken.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:06 pm
I think that the san francisco school board had no right to take JROTC out of there school's. the students liked it, It teaches how to be a better citizen, It promotes teamwork and leadership. there school board said they didint want the millitary running there schools and turrning there kids into future killers, JROTC has nothing to do with Violance. two of the members of the school board voted to keep it, but because they were students there vote didint count.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:08 pm
I wish my school had even ever had one. They are trying to de-fund all of the vity schools where I live nad force overyone to commute amazing distances every morning and evening to wither og to a county school or the school a city over.
Yeah, they should have kept the JROTC program there. Once an eruption of violence happens, they;ll see that it made more of the kids docile and that it was a bad idea to get rid of it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:38 pm
Many things have been phased out of schools, not just ROTC. All shop classes are now unavailable at my high school; the only ROP classes left are the merchandice and interpreter classes. I am not that fussed that ROTC is gone, honestly. The skills that you could learn in ROTC are taught elsewhere, if you think about it. (For specific examples, post and I will explain.)
Being a better citizen - [ironic, because it is a military institution] Look at your role models. Some examples are parents, teachers, and neighbors.
Promotes teamwork - Join any sport or club!
Promotes leadership - Ditto.
Makes kids docile - (why is this good?) If you are talking about channeling anger more effectively, drawing, sports, or talking with friends also works.
If the program was promoting anti-gay and -lesbian activities, then it needed to be stopped.
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:44 pm
It is just amazing how people don't see that their freedoms are possible because they have a military protecting them. Not in spite of. Equating military with evil is like equating your immune system with evil.
Eliminating JROTC at schools may encourage the setup of military schools there though, so that students who wish to pursue that program won't have to leave the state.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:30 am
thenerdqueen Many things have been phased out of schools, not just ROTC. All shop classes are now unavailable at my high school; the only ROP classes left are the merchandice and interpreter classes. I am not that fussed that ROTC is gone, honestly. The skills that you could learn in ROTC are taught elsewhere, if you think about it. (For specific examples, post and I will explain.) Being a better citizen - [ironic, because it is a military institution] Look at your role models. Some examples are parents, teachers, and neighbors. Promotes teamwork - Join any sport or club! Promotes leadership - Ditto. Makes kids docile - (why is this good?) If you are talking about channeling anger more effectively, drawing, sports, or talking with friends also works. If the program was promoting anti-gay and -lesbian activities, then it needed to be stopped. It dosent promote anti-gay activities in the JROTC batallion im in at least 1/3 of it is gay people, and our 2nd in command is a lesbian.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:56 am
I don't think it should've been taken out of the school's because it shouldn't have been there in the first place. Having something like that in school seems almost like teaching religion in school, which is just another controversial topic. If there was any discussion on the anti-gay and lesbian message they may have been putting out, there was obviously a problem with it at some point. I do not support the military, and I don't believe people should be exposed to it until they are out of school, fully matured, and ready for that responsibility.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:57 am
One of my friends was the commander (shall I say commander? He was the highest rank and he got ot tell people what ot do.) of the NJROTC battalion, before a big re-zone landed him in my school, and he was gay. OR at least bi. I just know he isn't straight.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:09 am
ScreamSilently I don't think it should've been taken out of the school's because it shouldn't have been there in the first place. Having something like that in school seems almost like teaching religion in school, which is just another controversial topic. If there was any discussion on the anti-gay and lesbian message they may have been putting out, there was obviously a problem with it at some point. I do not support the military, and I don't believe people should be exposed to it until they are out of school, fully matured, and ready for that responsibility. high school kids are mature enough for it, it's JROTC not the actual millitary, we just learn to march, do community service projects, donate to charity, and learn ranks, and it not like there trying to recruit us like most people seem to think less than 1 percent of people in JROTC actualy join the millitary wich is the same percentage as the people who dont go in JROTC.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:11 am
ScreamSilently I don't think it should've been taken out of the school's because it shouldn't have been there in the first place. Having something like that in school seems almost like teaching religion in school, which is just another controversial topic. If there was any discussion on the anti-gay and lesbian message they may have been putting out, there was obviously a problem with it at some point. I do not support the military, and I don't believe people should be exposed to it until they are out of school, fully matured, and ready for that responsibility. ANTI-GAY/LESBIAN MESSAGE!? THere have been several schools nearly forcing homosexuality on the students, and one even had them sign a contract not to tell their parents (NO exact source ot cite, I;m not a f*cking dictionary. WND.com had the article). As to you not supporting the military, might I be allowed to ask why? They risk their lives so you can say that, on a daily basis. They deserve utmost respect, and have earned it. Just liek every other profession, they have assholes, but even the asses have their honor. And to the "not be exposed to it until they are out of school, fully matured, and ready for that responsibility", that is your personal opinion. I forgot ot add the "I believe" to the begining of that. But I believe that children should be introduced to the world early on, including the military. The Military teaches respect, honor, and how to listen to those above you, for lack of a shorter phrase for it. THe military is not just violence, if that is your reasoning. All branches of the Military have non-violent jobs that provide the soldier with skills that can be used all throughout life, in many applications and other jobs. My Uncle was a technician. He retired, and has since been making computers from scratch. His paycheck is a very nice figure, and it coudl have been six digits if he had the patience to move (yet again. He moved a lot before he retired) to take a job offered to him by IBM. All becasue he chose to be a technician and build radios beofre moving on ot computers.
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:23 am
thenerdqueen Many things have been phased out of schools, not just ROTC. All shop classes are now unavailable at my high school; the only ROP classes left are the merchandice and interpreter classes. I am not that fussed that ROTC is gone, honestly. The skills that you could learn in ROTC are taught elsewhere, if you think about it. (For specific examples, post and I will explain.) Being a better citizen - [ironic, because it is a military institution] Look at your role models. Some examples are parents, teachers, and neighbors. Promotes teamwork - Join any sport or club! Promotes leadership - Ditto. Makes kids docile - (why is this good?) If you are talking about channeling anger more effectively, drawing, sports, or talking with friends also works. If the program was promoting anti-gay and -lesbian activities, then it needed to be stopped. yes it is a millitary instatution but its main goal is "To promote young people into being better citizens" and in my school the Kids in JROTC are the most dicaplend, respectfull in the school plus they have the highest grades
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:55 am
James628 I think that the san francisco school board had no right to take JROTC out of there school's. the students liked it, It teaches how to be a better citizen, It promotes teamwork and leadership. there school board said they didint want the millitary running there schools and turrning there kids into future killers, JROTC has nothing to do with Violance. two of the members of the school board voted to keep it, but because they were students there vote didint count. I have a message for the students who didn't like it... DON'T PARTICIPATE. its that simple, but don't take away someone elses opportunities just because you don't like the options
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:00 am
thenerdqueen Makes kids docile - (why is this good?) If you are talking about channeling anger more effectively, drawing, sports, or talking with friends also works. Not really when I play a sport I just get incredibly MORE aggressive, I can't draw and end up getting angry when I try to draw and fail miserably, and talking with friends usually either stays completely away from anything that would help or if it does stray into that topic I end up getting more agressive because we are arguing with eachother
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:11 pm
I'll agree with Jungle Soldier on this one. I can;t play sports, so I get mad. I can't draw (unless you count stick figures), and I don;t draw anyway.MY firends are all pretty much insane, so they would only try and get me to do stupid things if that topic was ever brought up.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:22 pm
ScreamSilently I don't think it should've been taken out of the school's because it shouldn't have been there in the first place. Having something like that in school seems almost like teaching religion in school, which is just another controversial topic. If there was any discussion on the anti-gay and lesbian message they may have been putting out, there was obviously a problem with it at some point. I do not support the military, and I don't believe people should be exposed to it until they are out of school, fully matured, and ready for that responsibility. there was never any anti gay or lesbian problem before in jrotc san francsisco just thinks that because the millitary looks down opun gay people jrotc does too
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