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Twizted Humanitarian
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:12 am


Iran's secret plan for summer offensive to force US out of Iraq


Simon Tisdall
Tuesday May 22, 2007
The Guardian

Iran is secretly forging ties with al-Qaida elements and Sunni Arab militias in Iraq in preparation for a summer showdown with coalition forces intended to tip a wavering US Congress into voting for full military withdrawal, US officials say.
"Iran is fighting a proxy war in Iraq and it's a very dangerous course for them to be following. They are already committing daily acts of war against US and British forces," a senior US official in Baghdad warned. "They [Iran] are behind a lot of high-profile attacks meant to undermine US will and British will, such as the rocket attacks on Basra palace and the Green Zone [in Baghdad]. The attacks are directed by the Revolutionary Guard who are connected right to the top [of the Iranian government]."

The official said US commanders were bracing for a nationwide, Iranian-orchestrated summer offensive, linking al-Qaida and Sunni insurgents to Tehran's Shia militia allies, that Iran hoped would trigger a political mutiny in Washington and a US retreat. "We expect that al-Qaida and Iran will both attempt to increase the propaganda and increase the violence prior to Petraeus's report in September [when the US commander General David Petraeus will report to Congress on President George Bush's controversial, six-month security "surge" of 30,000 troop reinforcements]," the official said.
"Certainly it [the violence] is going to pick up from their side. There is significant latent capability in Iraq, especially Iranian-sponsored capability. They can turn it up whenever they want. You can see that from the pre-positioning that's been going on and the huge stockpiles of Iranian weapons that we've turned up in the last couple of months. The relationships between Iran and groups like al-Qaida are very fluid," the official said.

"It often comes down to individuals, and people constantly move around. For instance, the Sunni Arab so-called resistance groups use Salafi jihadist ideology for their own purposes. But the whole Iran- al-Qaida linkup is very sinister."

Iran has maintained close links to Iraq's Shia political parties and militias but has previously eschewed collaboration with al-Qaida and Sunni insurgents.

US officials now say they have firm evidence that Tehran has switched tack as it senses a chance of victory in Iraq. In a parallel development, they say they also have proof that Iran has reversed its previous policy in Afghanistan and is now supporting and supplying the Taliban's campaign against US, British and other Nato forces.

Tehran's strategy to discredit the US surge and foment a decisive congressional revolt against Mr Bush is national in scope and not confined to the Shia south, its traditional sphere of influence, the senior official in Baghdad said. It included stepped-up coordination with Shia militias such as Moqtada al-Sadr's Jaish al-Mahdi as well as Syrian-backed Sunni Arab groups and al-Qaida in Mesopotamia, he added. Iran was also expanding contacts across the board with paramilitary forces and political groups, including Kurdish parties such as the PUK, a US ally.

"Their strategy takes into account all these various parties. Iran is playing all these different factions to maximise its future control and maximise US and British difficulties. Their co-conspirator is Syria which is allowing the takfirists [fundamentalist Salafi jihadis] to come across the border," the official said.

Any US decision to retaliate against Iran on its own territory could be taken only at the highest political level in Washington, the official said. But he indicated that American patience was wearing thin.

Warning that the US was "absolutely determined" to hit back hard wherever it was challenged by Iranian proxies or agents inside Iraq, he cited the case of five alleged members of the Revolutionary Guard's al-Quds force detained in Irbil in January. Despite strenuous protests from Tehran, which claims the men are diplomats, they have still not been released.

"Tehran is behaving like a racecourse gambler. They're betting on all the horses in the race, even on people they fundamentally don't trust," a senior administration official in Washington said. "They don't know what the outcome will be in Iraq. So they're hedging their bets."

The administration official also claimed that notwithstanding recent US and British overtures, Syria was still collaborating closely with Iran's strategy in Iraq.

"80% to 90%" of the foreign jihadis entering Iraq were doing so from Syrian territory, he said.

Despite recent diplomatic contacts, and an agreement to hold bilateral talks at ambassadorial level in Baghdad next week, US officials say there has been no let-up in hostile Iranian activities, including continuing support for violence, weapons smuggling and training.

"Iran is perpetuating the cycle of sectarian violence through support for extra-judicial killing and murder cells. They bring Iraqi militia members and insurgent groups into Iran for training and then help infiltrate them back into the country. We have plenty of evidence from a variety of sources. There's no argument about that. That's just a fact," the senior official in Baghdad said.

In trying to force an American retreat, Iran's hardline leadership also hoped to bring about a humiliating political and diplomatic defeat for the US that would reduce Washington's regional influence while increasing Tehran's own.

But if Iran succeeded in "prematurely" driving US and British forces out of Iraq, the likely result would be a "colossal humanitarian disaster" and possible regional war drawing in the Sunni Arab Gulf states, Syria and Turkey, he said.

Despite such concerns, or because of them, the US welcomed the chance to talk to Iran, the senior administration official said. "Our agenda starts with force protection in Iraq," he said. But there were many other Iraq-related issues to be discussed. Recent pressure had shown that Iran's behaviour could be modified, the official claimed: "Last winter they were literally getting away with murder."

But tougher action by security forces in Iraq against Iranian agents and networks, the dispatch of an additional aircraft carrier group to the Gulf and UN security council resolutions imposing sanctions had given Tehran pause, he said.

Washington analysts and commentators predict that Gen Petraeus's report to the White House and Congress in early September will be a pivotal moment in the history of the four-and-a-half-year war - and a decision to begin a troop drawdown or continue with the surge policy will hinge on the outcome. Most Democrats and many Republicans in Congress believe Iraq is in the grip of a civil war and that there is little that a continuing military presence can achieve. "Political will has already failed. It's over," a former Bush administration official said.

A senior adviser to Gen Petraeus reported this month that the surge had reduced violence, especially sectarian killings, in the Baghdad area and Sunni-dominated Anbar province. But the adviser admitted that much of the trouble had merely moved elsewhere, "resulting in spikes of activity in Diyala [to the north] and some areas to the south of the capital". "Overall violence is at about the same level [as when the surge began in February]."

Iranian officials flatly deny US and British allegations of involvement in internal violence in Iraq or in attacks on coalition forces. Interviewed in Tehran recently, Mohammad Reza Bagheri, deputy foreign minister for Arab affairs with primary responsibility for Iran's policy in Iraq, said: "We believe it would be to the benefit of both the occupiers and the Iraqi people that they [the coalition forces] withdraw immediately."
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:26 am


Not good at all. If they get their hands on WMD it's not going to be pretty. I'd really like to avoid another war, but if a whole country is behind them, more countries will join in our fight. At least most likely.

Amune-Ra


Twizted Humanitarian
Crew

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 12:33 pm


If this happens it will be a bloody summer
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:59 pm


well, despite the whole alliance thing, since they're already developing Nukes illegally (according to world wide policy) I say we terminate their country just like we should blow Korea for developing Nukes, because we're just coming off a nuclear showdown with russia and the world is probably getting pretty tired of the melodrama, and the constant threat and banter, just blow them away and no more problem, no sanctions are working anyway... sad

Syraenom


thenerdqueen

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 10:04 pm


FreedomSummoner
well, despite the whole alliance thing, since they're already developing Nukes illegally (according to world wide policy) I say we terminate their country just like we should blow Korea for developing Nukes, because we're just coming off a nuclear showdown with russia and the world is probably getting pretty tired of the melodrama, and the constant threat and banter, just blow them away and no more problem, no sanctions are working anyway... sad


Do you really think that we should murder an entire country, just because their leaders are threatening us?
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:21 am


Who do you mean by Iran? The government. the people. Various extremist groups?

IaRtMuLe


Twizted Humanitarian
Crew

PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 2:05 pm


I meant the government of Iraq, sorry I should have clarified that
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:30 pm


thenerdqueen
FreedomSummoner
well, despite the whole alliance thing, since they're already developing Nukes illegally (according to world wide policy) I say we terminate their country just like we should blow Korea for developing Nukes, because we're just coming off a nuclear showdown with russia and the world is probably getting pretty tired of the melodrama, and the constant threat and banter, just blow them away and no more problem, no sanctions are working anyway... sad


Do you really think that we should murder an entire country, just because their leaders are threatening us?
yeah the most we should do is just replace there goverment.

James628
Vice Captain


thenerdqueen

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:30 pm


james628
thenerdqueen
FreedomSummoner
well, despite the whole alliance thing, since they're already developing Nukes illegally (according to world wide policy) I say we terminate their country just like we should blow Korea for developing Nukes, because we're just coming off a nuclear showdown with russia and the world is probably getting pretty tired of the melodrama, and the constant threat and banter, just blow them away and no more problem, no sanctions are working anyway... sad


Do you really think that we should murder an entire country, just because their leaders are threatening us?
yeah the most we should do is just replace there goverment.


"Just" replace their government. Let's turn the tables for a second. What if we were invaded by a foriegn country? How upset would people be?? NO ONE should invade another country, simply because that country is trying to gain power.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:56 pm


thenerdqueen
james628
thenerdqueen
FreedomSummoner
well, despite the whole alliance thing, since they're already developing Nukes illegally (according to world wide policy) I say we terminate their country just like we should blow Korea for developing Nukes, because we're just coming off a nuclear showdown with russia and the world is probably getting pretty tired of the melodrama, and the constant threat and banter, just blow them away and no more problem, no sanctions are working anyway... sad


Do you really think that we should murder an entire country, just because their leaders are threatening us?
yeah the most we should do is just replace there goverment.


"Just" replace their government. Let's turn the tables for a second. What if we were invaded by a foriegn country? How upset would people be?? NO ONE should invade another country, simply because that country is trying to gain power.
there not just trying to gain power, there helping train terrorists that go into Iraq and fight with the insurgents, they threatend to blow Israel off the map and Israel hasent done anything to Iran, they are holding Americans hostage, they are working on nuclear power wich if they get they might use on Israel, there leader just said that the button for the countdown for the destruction of Israel has been pushed. so I think the very least we could dois try and get a diffrent Iranian goverment.

James628
Vice Captain


Twizted Humanitarian
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:54 am


Whenever I see Israel launching rockets at Iran I stand up and cheer
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:38 am


Jungle Soldier
Whenever I see Israel launching rockets at Iran I stand up and cheer
they just launched a spy satalite

James628
Vice Captain


thenerdqueen

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:28 pm


james628
thenerdqueen
james628
thenerdqueen
FreedomSummoner
well, despite the whole alliance thing, since they're already developing Nukes illegally (according to world wide policy) I say we terminate their country just like we should blow Korea for developing Nukes, because we're just coming off a nuclear showdown with russia and the world is probably getting pretty tired of the melodrama, and the constant threat and banter, just blow them away and no more problem, no sanctions are working anyway... sad


Do you really think that we should murder an entire country, just because their leaders are threatening us?
yeah the most we should do is just replace there goverment.


"Just" replace their government. Let's turn the tables for a second. What if we were invaded by a foriegn country? How upset would people be?? NO ONE should invade another country, simply because that country is trying to gain power.

there not just trying to gain power, there helping train terrorists that go into Iraq and fight with the insurgents, they threatend to blow Israel off the map and Israel hasent done anything to Iran, they are holding Americans hostage, they are working on nuclear power wich if they get they might use on Israel, there leader just said that the button for the countdown for the destruction of Israel has been pushed. so I think the very least we could dois try and get a diffrent Iranian goverment.


According to you, we should have had our government replaced by now. We helped the Taliban get started, as well as overthrowing Iran's democratically elected leaders in '53. What about the CIA death squads? They definitely induced terror.
And as for the hostages, how long have some of the prisoners in Guatanamo (sp) Bay been held without trial?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:50 pm


thenerdqueen
james628
thenerdqueen
james628
thenerdqueen
FreedomSummoner
well, despite the whole alliance thing, since they're already developing Nukes illegally (according to world wide policy) I say we terminate their country just like we should blow Korea for developing Nukes, because we're just coming off a nuclear showdown with russia and the world is probably getting pretty tired of the melodrama, and the constant threat and banter, just blow them away and no more problem, no sanctions are working anyway... sad


Do you really think that we should murder an entire country, just because their leaders are threatening us?
yeah the most we should do is just replace there goverment.


"Just" replace their government. Let's turn the tables for a second. What if we were invaded by a foriegn country? How upset would people be?? NO ONE should invade another country, simply because that country is trying to gain power.

there not just trying to gain power, there helping train terrorists that go into Iraq and fight with the insurgents, they threatend to blow Israel off the map and Israel hasent done anything to Iran, they are holding Americans hostage, they are working on nuclear power wich if they get they might use on Israel, there leader just said that the button for the countdown for the destruction of Israel has been pushed. so I think the very least we could dois try and get a diffrent Iranian goverment.


According to you, we should have had our government replaced by now. We helped the Taliban get started, as well as overthrowing Iran's democratically elected leaders in '53. What about the CIA death squads? They definitely induced terror.
And as for the hostages, how long have some of the prisoners in Guatanamo (sp) Bay been held without trial?
the people in guantanamo dont get trial because they were charged with terrorism, there might be a few people there that were inocent but by far the vast majority of prisoners thre are guilty, and with the taliban that was a mistake but all we new at the time was that we were helping afgan fighters protect afganistan from soviet invaders

James628
Vice Captain


thenerdqueen

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:11 pm


So just because they have been charged with terrorism, we should shut them up in a military base for the rest of their lives, and never even give them a chance to prove their innocence- despite that right being in the bill of rights.
Furthermore, how can you know that someone is innocent or guilty? if we don't let them try and prove their innocence. Remember, 'innocent until proven guilty'.
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