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IT was a showbiz extravaganza. Alma Moreno and Lorna Tolentino were there. So were director Joel Lamangan, who served as fiery emcee, and several other members of filmdom�s glitterati. But the biggest star was of course, Susan Roces, who was mobbed by the crowd when she arrived on Ayala Avenue. At 6:45 p.m., before a raucous crowd she finally spoke. It was vintage Susan: a combination of homespun wisdom and this time, perceptibly more subtle digs at President Arroyo. (Mrs. Poe this evening was a much kinder, calmer and gentler version of the fiery Susan we last saw at Club Filiipino on June 29, two days after the presidential apology.)
Addressing the youth this evening, Roces said, "Ang pandaraya ay mali at di dapat tularan. (Cheating is bad and should not be followed.)" She also deplored what she said was the Arroyo administration�s various ways of "evading" the issues and "confusing" the public with calls for charter change. She stressed the need to use peaceful means to resolve the crisis. "Wag tayong basta magtitiwala o maniniwala. Kailangang suriin nating mabuti kung �yan ba ay makabubuti sa atin. Kung �yan ba ay mabibiyayaan ang nakararami. Ang kinabukasan ninyo ang mahalaga para sa amin (Let us not trust what they say. We have to study whether the options being presented will do us good, whether these will benefit the majority. Our future is important.)
Many hours before Roces finally spoke the crowd had already warmed up. There was singing and dancing, as popular tunes whose words were customized for the occasion blared from sound systems atop jeeps on various corners of the avenue. The banners were present, so were Garci effigies, and monochrome umbrellas painted with letters spelling out OUST GLORIA.
The crowd was made up of followers of organized political groups, ranging from opposition parties (pro-FPJ, pro-Erap and pro-Lacson), NGOs and political movements (all the various Left groups were here). The banners were obviously well prepared. There was even a stage with a dressing room behind it. While the mood was upbeat, it did not quite have the spontaneity of Edsa 1 and Edsa 2.
Here are some of the photos taken earlier:
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johnmarzan said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:11 pm
While the mood was upbeat, it did not quite have the spontaneity of Edsa 1 and Edsa 2.
of course not. because it was a scheduled rally and not meant to be a �people power� type gathering ala Edsa.
We�re not there� yet.
eyesWIDEopen said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:13 pm
your correct john. it wasn�t meant to be like EDSA 1 and 2. It was a scheduled rally. Although I am at work at that time, i did went out to join the rally during my 1 hour break.
DocGo said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:28 pm
If I were in RP, I would�ve joined you guys. I am with you in spirit�GMA must resign!
pingkian said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:42 pm
Hello DocGo,
You dont have to be hear. You just have to help us to advance our cause to our fellow filipinos and friends from where you are, by being active in this blog and other chat rooms. God bless you.
Mang Kyabeli said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:45 pm
Naisip niyo na ba kung ano ang mangyayari kung mag-resign si Gloria? Kutob naman natin lahat na nandaya siya pero hindi natin pinansin dahil ayaw natin kay FPJ. Bakit ngayon na lumabas ang baho, bigla tayong nagpapataasan ng ihi? Sige tingnan natin kung gaano katagal nakaupo si Noli bago magka-coup.
Askal said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:35 pm
hindi yan rally para sa pagbabago� yan ay isang fiesta!!!
walang kabuluhan�
does not represent the sentiments of the whole nation�
sa manila lang ang gulo� sa probinsiya tuloy ang buhay�
wala ng makikibaka sa kanila�
sana kayo diyan sa manila� mag trabaho na kayo!� magsikap huwag maging tamad!� traffic lang idinidulot ninyo�
may pag-asa pa tayo� magsimula tayo sa sarili natin�
disiplina lang ang kailangan�.
kaya� sundin ang saligang batas� kung may pagkakasala man dapat dalhin sa tamang lugar� huwag diyan sa daan para kayong mga Askal�!!!
pagod na ako!!! pero pilit kung tinatanggap ang lahat dahil ako ay isang pinoy� Astig ito!!!
Leo said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:47 pm
Ito pa lang ang simula ng wakas.. Maging maingat lang po tayo gaya ng lagi ko ng ipinaaalala� Hindi ganoon kadali, ang pagpapaalis kay GMA, nasa likuran niya si FVR at ang kanyang batalyon upang supilin ang sinomang haharang sa kanilang daan� Kaya ang simbahan ay hindi pumanig sa sambayanan na paalisin si GMA sapagkat alam nila na kapag sila ang nanawagan sa sambayanan na mag-aklas laban kay GMA� sila sila ang magkakaubusan..kaya minabuti na lang nila na manahimik sa unang pagkakataon�.(edsa 1, edsa 2 sila ang pasimuno) ngayon kay GMA � tameme sila� sus ginoo. Kaya umatras si Cory, sa isip niya, tama na ang isang Ninoy.. Tandaan natin.. ito ang simula ng walang hanggang wakas�.
noelet said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:04 am
That�s why Askal is not in Ayala. He doesn�t believe in pagbabago. Referring to a pinoy fiesta = walang kabuluhan? Demeaning surveys showing GMA negative trust rating? And ofcourse the geographic comment� simple its not the sentiments of the nation.
Ang baho kaso ng Malacanan mas malakas ang amoy sa Manila. Well, maybe its because Malacanan is in Manila. Kahit namn sa US ang mga tao pag me issue kay Bush sa Washington sila nagrarally, hindi sa probinsya.
San ba pinaguusapan ang jueteng-gate, hello-garci? Dba sa Tongreso? Saan ba ang tongreso? Sa Batasan Hills. Nasa QC. Ang Kongreso na nagiimbestiga ng mga iskandalong kinasasangkutan ni GMA ay nasa Maynila. Ang pangulong iniimbestigahan ay nasa Malacanan. San ba ang Malacanan. Ok take a guess�
The fact is we are far from the the crime scene which is Mindanao. But Manila is very much near from the criminal.
noelet said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:09 am
Manila is like a small Philippines. Overcrowded with the different ethnic groups. May Bisaya, may muslim, may kapampangan� etc.
Or we can isolate the anti-Arroyo Cebu rally.
jeralmo said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:36 am
if i am in our country now, count on me guys�. Gloria has to go. ano pa ba ang gusto nyang marating. yang pagtitipon na yan simboyo nga damdamin ng taong-bayan. of course, sabihin ng mga nasa probinsya na sa Emperial Manila lang ang langitngit at panawagan pero tinanong ba nila ang mga bahay-bahay.. di siguro.
see, sinabi halos ng lahat ng mga elected na kay gloria sila, of course, they have too dahil pareho lang silang gahaman ug hakog sa pwesto.
i think the lamed duck in malaca�ang has to go�..
Leo said,
July 14, 2005 @ 1:02 am
Askal, ano bang konstitusyon yung sinasabi mo, nakakain ba yon� Matagal ng patay ang konstitusyon ng Pilipinas, sino ang pumatay� e sino pa e di yung mga nag-edsa 1 and edsa 2 � maliwanag ba? o baka nalalabuan ka pa? Sabi natin sumunod sa konstitusyon, e sinuway nyo a, baka isa ka pa sa sumama sa edsa 1 at edsa 2,,, ngayon sasabihin mo sumunod sa konstitusyon�. Pag nasunod yung gusto mo, okey sa yo,, pag hindi ayon sa gusto mo labag sa konstitusyon.. sus ginoo� ako e graduate lang sa puno ng bayabas pero nag-eesep ako�. Sulong mga kababayan ,,, putulin natin ang sungay ng pitong demonyo�. Ito ang simula ng walang hanggang wakas�..
masha said,
July 14, 2005 @ 2:04 am
�Police block anti-Arroyo rallyists from provinces�
baka daw ma infiltrate ng �bad elements�. bad elements like who? those who want arroyo to resign? do more of that and you�ll anger the people all the more.
username said,
July 14, 2005 @ 3:22 am
patayin ang mga spammer nang blogs from Malacanang!!!
chicaronCdrilon said,
July 14, 2005 @ 3:43 am
Kung totot man na nandaya si GMA eh baka naman pumantay lang sya dahil artista ang kalaban nya hehehe mali pero kung iisipin parang ok lang minsan mas marami ang hindi naiisip kung sino ang tamang iboboto natin. LAhat damay damay na. But as always, rule of law should prevail. let us not jump to conclusion that �yun dagdag� na talaga. Let us give her a day in court, a chance to explain herself in the impeachment court. Kaya lang, wala rin akong tiwala sa mga senador natin, kahit walang kasalanan o me kasalanan si GMA, they will surely vote not because of their �konsensya� (kung meron pa) but to protect there interest. hehehe let us ask US to make the philippines part of their country nalang� kaya lang baka di din sila pumayag noh mahulo kasi tayo. Tayo mismo ang sumisira sa kinabukasan natin�
Garcigwen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:17 am
The rally got coverage on CNN. There was a shot from a high
vantage point. Very impressive looking.
koyobayashi said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:41 am
people are asking PGMA to resign on grounds of cheating the 2004 elections� the administration is consolidating its efforts in changing our system of government� like duh, they�re addressing the wrong issue!
kimosabe27 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:07 am
As the opposition blitz for the end game finally sputtered to a crawl, let us expect the onset of a war of attrition. It will be a long and ardous struggle with countless losses but damn if it won�t make life in Imperial Manila more colorful and interesting.
jonathan said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:25 am
sige na nga impress na ako sa rally ninyo. gusto ko na tuloy sumali kasama ng mga kapitbahay ko dito sa calumpit. pero bago ko masuyo si ka berting na aking barbero, dapat lang na masagot itong mga katanungan niya:
kung itong pinaglalaban natin ay tungkol sa isyung MORALIDAD sa gobyerno, hindi kaya nararapat na tanungin din natin si imee at ang mga dating alipores ni makoy na (1) ibalik ang lahat ng perang ninakaw nila sa bayan na siyang nagpapahirap sa ating bansa ngayon (2) humingi ng tawad sa lahat ng victims of human rights violations (3) sabihin na kung sino ang nagpatumba kay Ninoy Aquino. Gayon din kay Jinggoy at sa mga alipores ni Erap, na sabihin na nagsisisi na sila sa kanilang pagnanakaw ng pera ng gobyerno at sa pagkasangkot sa jueteng. Kung hindi man, kahit na humingi man lang siya ng tawad kay Sen. Loi sa kanyang �lapse of judgment� sa kanyang pagpapagawa ng �Boracay sa Tagaytay� kay Laarni.
Hindi day niya kaya ang makipagkapitbisig sa mga taong namumuno sa mga rally ngayon hanggat hindi pa nabigyan ng hustisya ang kanyang ipinaglaban noon. Hanggat hindi daw nabigyan ng kasagutan ang kanyang mga katanungan, itong people power rally daw na ito ay HUWAD at PEKE. AT WALANG BENDISYON NG POONG MAYKAPAL.
sai said,
July 14, 2005 @ 7:33 am
hay buhay..wala ng katapusan ang problema ng bayan natin..im with you guys out there n nagrally,nagpakahirap at nagaksaya ng panahon nila..GMA should resign�
benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 7:42 am
O ano kayo ngayon?
Naka-ilang comment na dito pero Wala ako makitang any numbers being quoted here a? What�s the matter? Skirting the reality of the dismal numbers that came to this fiesta rally?
If the numbers were truly impressive, one would expect everyone quoting impressive NUMBERS left and right. But what�s the best anyone can come up with? �Ito pa lang ang simula ng wakas�. lol.
Pati ba naman sa mga people power revolutions naging mediocre na rin tayo?
Magtabaho na lang kayo. Panay hakot at stariray lang ang makakasama niyo diyan sa kalye.
http://www.getrealphilippines.com
benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 8:05 am
You guys want some facts? I collected the following in 15 minutes. I wonder why a whole team of �investigative journalists� couldn�t even come up with a summary like this in the last 12 hours:
�Organizers said the crowd would swell over the day to 40,000 or 50,000 � a big step up from recent rallies of 8,000 but far from the hundreds of thousands who took to the streets of Manila to overthrow presidents in 1986 and 2001�. Beefing up a rally is not difficult in the Philippines, with people often offered a fast-food meal and a small payout to march and chant. But crowds have been known to lose their unity when the food or money runs short.�
(http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2005/07/13/chants_snacks_at_anti_arroyo_rally_in_manila/)
�On both occasions, the Catholic Church and the powerful military withdrew their support from the presidents�but that hasn�t happened this time� Left-wing groups and supporters of Estrada�who has volunteered to serve as a transitional leader if Mrs. Arroyo is ousted�transported protesters by bus and jeeps from the provinces, police said�The crowd was a mix of leftist factory workers, students and star-struck supporters of Fernando Poe as well as of Estrada.�
(http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/topofthehour.aspx?StoryId=10396)
�There were no signs yet that Arroyo�s traditional foes - leftist, student and farmers� groups combined with supporters of deposed president Joseph Estrada - were being joined by the middle class, whose presence was crucial in past uprisings� The threat to reforms prompted Moody�s Investors Service on Wednesday to join the two other major ratings agencies in cutting a stable outlook for the Philippines to negative.�
(http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F50756CE-56F3-4759-B6A4-AC801595BB12.htm)
And check this out (the HAKOT BUDGET � so much for sponteinuty):
�Anti-Arroyo forces said they have 25 million pesos (HK$3.51 million) for protests due to run until Sunday.�
(http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/World/GG14Wd02.html)
ha ha ha:
�But the massive crowd�s mood was more festive than angry. It looked like a huge street party with an interesting mix of characters� Street vendors were out in full force, peddling corn on the cob, boiled bananas, fish balls, deep-fried chicken gizzards on a stick and scoops of ice cream on hamburger buns�. Music and entertainment were another crucial component, keeping the crowds from drifting away. Pop stars crooned on a huge stage and the �Sex Bomb� dancers�a group of young women in tight white tops and blue capri pants�did the classic bump and grind.�
(http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2005/07/13/politics.foodfest.people.watching.in.anti.arroyo.rally.(7.40.p.m.).html)
Even more pathetic (akala ko ba there are hundreds of thousands of Pinoys in San Francisco? ):
�Filipino-Americans in San Francisco, California, on Tuesday (Wednesday in Manila) staged a protest rally against President Arroyo� Thirty activists belonging to the US chapter of the left-wing Bayan Muna protested outside the Philippine consulate at about the same time that a similar demonstration was being held in Makati Wednesday afternoon.�
Pati ba naman sa �tate, hakot pa rin!
(http://news.balita.ph/html/public_html/article.php?story=20050713093528832)
And some indication of what the aftermath of fieStas like these could be:
�Moody�s Investors Service decided Wednesday to join the two other major credit ratings agencies in cutting a �stable outlook'� for the Philippines to �negative.'� And the Asian Development Bank said its lending to the country over the next three years could range from nothing to US$1.5 billion (HK$11.7 billion) - depending on the pace of reforms.�
(http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/World/GG14Wd02.html)
�Meanwhile, the Asian Development Bank said on Wednesday it may cut off lending to the Philippines unless it speeds up reforms designed to shore up its fiscal position.�
(http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F50756CE-56F3-4759-B6A4-AC801595BB12.htm)
http://www.getrealphilippines.com
worrier said,
July 14, 2005 @ 10:28 am
Kayong mga ayaw ng pagbabago.Manahimik na lang kayo..palibhasa siguro hindi kayo nag nahihirapan sa takbo ng buhay ngayon. ang galing niyong magsalita. Para kayong mga pulitiko na sala sa init sala sa lamig. Bakit masasabi niyo ba na hindi kayo sumama sa mga rallies noon? ngayon ayaw niyong sumali kasi feeling niyo ang papalit , yung hindi niyo ka-uri.. Kayong mga MATATAAS, kayong MGA MAYAYAMAN, KAYONG MGA MAY PINAG_ARALAN. ANG KAPAL NG MGA MUKHA NINYO. KAAYONG MGA WALANG GINAGAWA PARA SA BAYANG ITO, KAYONG HANGGANG SALITA LAMANG, HANGGANG �TIIS LAMANG� NAG LALONG NAGPAPAHIRAP SA BANSANG ITO. GUMISING KAYO !
chac said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:26 am
I dont blame if people would take their stand on the streets kasi naman kahit daanin natin sa constitutional process ang lahat alam ng marami na madadaya pa rin ang resulta ng paglilitis�bakit kamo? aba�y bakit nagbibilangan na kung sinu sino pa ang mga kakampi ni GMA sa kongreso at senado�.bakit me lulutuin na naman ba kayo para maniwala pa ang mga tao sa inyo? Nagkakagulo na nga kung anu ano pa ang pinapasok na bagong issue like yung charter change? Hey FVR and JDV, kala nyo pa matatapalan ang issue ni GMA sa mga tao kya kung anu ano na naman ang kabalbalan ng inuumpisahan nyo? Manahimik na lang kayo at di kayo nakakatulong sa bayan. Lalu ka na JDV, di ka pa matakot sa karma ha.
exg2eis said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:40 am
I think ang na reveal ng tapes ay kung gaano kadumi ang pulitika. I think ginagawa na ito nun pa man even before GMA�s time. Buti na lang at na reveal but everyone�s guilty of cheating. Magugulo tayong lahat. Kung sino yung wala sa power gusto sila ang nasa power so rally sa daan. Pag nanalo ang opposition me namang contra so rally uli. The Philippines is a sinking ship. Konting kalabog na lang lahat tayo babagsak. Sige rally ng rally, in a couple of years me pilipinas pa kaya? Sige magsaya kayo ngayon isipin niyo ang bukas kung saan tayo lahat pupulutin.
jonathan said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:58 am
worrier, naiintindihan ko ang pag-iinit mo. ngunit huwag kang masyadong magalit sa mga taong iba ang pinanindigan sa iyo. katulad mo, nais ko rin ang pagbabago, kung guilty si gloria, nais ko pagbabayaran niya ang kanyang kasalanan. ngunit magkaiba lang ang paraan na itinataguyod natin. sa maniwala ka�t hindi taglay pa rin namin ang ideyalismo. kayod kalabaw ang ginagawa ko para lang makapagbigay ng trabaho sa kapuwa ko pilipino. ngunit sa paraang iniisip niyo pawang ang mga mahihirap ang lalong nagsasakripisyo. lalo na kung sumasanib kayo sa mga grupong iba ang motibo. hindi na panahon ngayon ng gulo, bigyan natin ang ating konstitusyon ng pagkakataon. ituloy natin ang pagtratrabaho sapagkat mahaba pa ang lalakarin natin. alam kong ang ating batas ay hindi perpekto. ngunit hindi nangangahulugan iyon na hindi natin ito sundin. at huwag kang mabahala, kung nasa panig ka ng katotohanan hindi ka pababayaan ng Poong Maykapal. mahirap ka man o mayaman, edukado o walang pinag-aralan, lahat tayo kapitbisig sa ikauunlad ng ating bayan!
benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:59 am
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hakot? bakit yung mga rally ba na nilunsad noon nina GMA, hindi ba hakot din yun?
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E yun naman pala e. Kung ang tingin niyo dito sa mga rally na ito e panay hakot lang pala, e bakit ang hilig niyo pa rin sumoporta sa mga rally na ito.
It�s all phoney. Phoney hobbies for a phoney nation.
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benign0, enuff with the sarcasm, get off ur high horse and just say that ur pro gma and be done with it, ill respect u more for that. ksi i dont know where ur going with ur comments
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Is that all you can say now? I raised the reality of these �rallies� for all to see and the best thing you can come up with is to ask YET AGAIN if I am for or against GMA? Are those the only kinds of questions Pinoys can ask? Kanino ka ba? Kanino ka sasama? Pro ka ba or against?
This behaviour is one of the root issues of our society � to most typical Pinoys, it�s about loyalty to a PERSONALITY rather than to a PRINCIPLE.
I am here not because of any loyalty to any particular moron. Pare-pareho lang sa akin ang mga asungot na yan. What I�ve been doing is articulating PRINCIPLES. And yet typical Pinoys always can�t seem to elevate the discussion above personal loyalties.
Truly pathetic.
It�s no longer a surprise why our country is the basket case among basket cases.
http://www.getrealphilippines.com
yanilasam said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:59 am
nakasama ako sa rally kahapon at kapansinpasin na nangingibabaw sa damdamin ng mga taong naroon and sobrang paghihirap ng sambayanang pilipino. kabataan man na tulad ko, manggagawa, o ordinaryong mamamayan, pareparehong isinisigaw na ayaw na nila sa sinungaling at magnanakaw na administrasyong arroyo.
tama na, ayaw na, sobra ng pahirap, bumaba ka na gloria!
�To ask that an intelligent being remain aloof from the pertinent issues
of his society is to defeat the purpose of scholarships�� UP Sinag, 1981
tabz said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:34 pm
what exactly benign0? if ur neither pro or against what are u for? being in �neutral third person point of view�, what do u hope to accomplish here? ur talk of principle is nice.. but weighing the reality is different..what exact principles are you fighting for? is it the four way test? rule of law?
sorry bro, wla ksi akong makitang prinsipyo sa comments mo.. like calling ppl in the rally �jologs� or �hakot� discriminatley categorizing ppl. if ur about principle wag mo naman ibadmouth ang mga tau na nagrarally, true may halo na iba an element dun pero un mga tau pumupunta dahil may hinanaing. were not all well off ppl u know. everyone isnt the same as u so sorry for being a �typical pinoy�. what loyalities are u talking about theres a rally because of the issue of �cheating� pathetic talaga tyo at naging presidente natin c glo na nandaya. iba iba ang pananaw ng mga tau sa isyu respeto naman, dont dismiss us as pathetic beings.
benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:47 pm
So now it seems that the issue is to show some kind of �understanding� for the people who took to the streets. Now we try to paint them as �victims� whereas a couple of days ago they were supposed to be our warriors of truth and justics.
Talaga naman oo. Kaya tayo di nagkakaisa e.
See now how what a couple of days ago was a machistic battle cry to take to the streets is now a whimper of appeal to �understand� or even �respect� these pathetic people who chose to dance to the tune of the SexBomb dancers in Ayala.
True it is largely ignorance and lack of education plus an appreciation of a free meal that brought these people together. But who�s fault is that? Typical Filipinos (yes TYPICAL) will cite the usual suspects: Corrupt Government and our colonial past.
So what else is new.
Why should I be apologetic for my highhandedness? I don�t see any of these jologs apologising for their ignorance.
Last I heard, ignorance does not exempt one from compliance to the Law.
http://www.getrealphilippines.com
worrier said,
July 14, 2005 @ 1:36 pm
i agree with you tabz. grabe..jologs? phoney nation? san ka ba ngayon, benigno? aba kung nandito ka pa sa PINAS, umalis ka..phoney nation pala, jologs pala e� sensya na , bro ha� di ka namin ma-reach e
necromancer said,
July 14, 2005 @ 1:42 pm
ASKAL,
�kaya� sundin ang saligang batas� kung may pagkakasala man dapat dalhin sa tamang lugar� huwag diyan sa daan para kayong mga Askal�!!!
pagod na ako!!! pero pilit kung tinatanggap ang lahat dahil ako ay isang pinoy� Astig ito!!! �
Bro, That was only a scheduled rally.. If you do not want to come, fine.. Ang mga taong nandun sa rally ay may paninindigan at may hangaring mapabuti ang bansa natin khit sa maliit na paraang kaya nila. Bakit hndi kaya si Gloria ang pagbuntunan mo ng galit dahil sya naman ang may kagagwan nito. Gs2 mo pa bang maging presidente ang nangdaya sa eleksyon? Ewan ko lang.. As far as Im concern, people who do not have a stand on this big issue do not deserve a greater leader of this nation.
necromancer said,
July 14, 2005 @ 1:49 pm
benigno, hirap kasi sa iba kababayan natin masyado mataas ang tingin sa sarili.. you had your opinion and �Jologs� ay isang salitang kalye. : )
benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 2:09 pm
Tsk tsk. Looks like people here have now stooped to a discussion on personalities.
So what kung �hindi ako ma-reach� according to one of these TYPICAL Pinoy hirits?
Hindi talaga. Kahit gumulong gulong kayo sa kalye.
Kaya nga kayo PERENIALLY nasa kalye at mga taong katulad ko ay naka taas ang paa sa loob ng airconditioned na opisina e.
That�s the reality, dudes. DEAL WITH IT.
Seems like the reason we are now discussing these petty details is because the tide has now turned at the ISSUES level of the discussion, now that we have seen who are really behind these calls to take to the streets. Even sadder is the inconsistency of these left-wing �cause oriented groups�. Anti Erap sila dati, ngayon kasama nila ang mga pro-Erap sa kalsada. Talaga naman oo.
If you find some problem with being classified as jologs and hakots then DEMONSTRATE that you are above discussing LIKE jologs and hakots. Face the reality of the situation. Discuss the ISSUES.
And the issue is squarely flat on the table here:
Yesterday�s rally was a disgrace to the cause of resignism. Deal with that.
http://www.getrealphilippines.com
eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 3:30 pm
tsk tsk tsk� I wonder if you are for the Philippines. I wonder what will happen to the Philippines if everybody�s mind is just like yours benign0???
penpenpen88 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 3:59 pm
Hehehe in benigno�s world well all be classified as either ignorant, hakots, leftist or destabilizers eyes wide open. =) Ganun din naman classification nila ke rizal at bonifacio eh so fear not your in good company.Much better than being a liar a cheat and a robber di po ba??
tabz said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:09 pm
i still dont find any weight in ur words benign0, ur reality is different from a lot of ppl who face thse issues head on. seems ksi na some of us just sits around and look at facts thats written on or whats shown in the news and then just ses what they feel about it.
we need more ppl with geniune concern for the moral well being of this country, i cant stand to have a president who cheated the elections, what would that say about us as a nation to the world.. this is a different scandal than that of the US� Bill Clinton in terms of cheating.
dang said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:12 pm
To all,
Honestly, I fully respect everyone�s position at hand.
Ke maki-gloria or pro-resign! And, am happy to be educated day by day.
Alam naman natin di natatapos sa pagpapatalsik kay gloria ang solusyon ng mga problema.
Not until, all of us become �credible� to throw the first stone to a sinner!
This is probably a long shot, but together let�s give our best shot! Now!
Like it or not, history keeps on repeating itself. There are no coincidences!
Maybe friend is right when he said � There is an UNSEEN HAND that has set up all this events,
such that everything seems to fit well and is systematic. Go beyond the smokescreen�.
But, who would tell who could that be?
Whether all of us would be able to see it clearly or not, the agenda of the unseen hand (good or bad) will be exposed in proper time not by the eyes but by the hearts. Our open hearts courageously enough to accept the wind of change, without reservation, decide the final blow of change.
In every passage of times, we are all players (groups or individual)
with different lines, colors and shapes trying to outplay each
other for a better position viewing the future. And once again, we are now in the center stage of an unfolding history of our time. Principled or not, known or unknown, there is a need to be sensitive what makes all people (not only the masses) move into one direction. Its not the one who can shout louder nor the one who can manipulate and control the rules. There is also a need to revisit the views of those who died in their times trying to make a radical or conservative image of change. The applicability and rightfulness of their �lines� then, no matter how simple or complicated, maybe, the best for now.
What should be exposed and prevented are those who liked to cling and maintain the status quo. For nothing substantial will happen if we will not evolve (physically, emotionally and spiritually) over time.
Old and young in us should be credible to effect a change for others
(no matter how basic or drastic) to have a clear view of the best to come. The path of cleansing process is not easy�but it is clearly emerging. We need to actively process and explore every ideas of times, objectively and positively. Hope we should never again allow ourselves to engage lengthily in negative discussions for it will just distract us from discerning better perspective. Sometimes, it force us to stop and missed a point.
As always, we need to accept that the chance of disagreement is very high in the process. We only need to respect each other. The big
challenge is when each and everyone of us keep on accusing each other of conspiring with evil. More than ever, we need to be sensitive to the flow of time to be able to engage correctly. We need not worry about the crooks and the wicked. Whether they like it or not, they will be exposed to death by each other. As dirty money will look for hidden wealth, their guns will look for guns. Sad to say too, good men and women will also die in the cleansing process, but their deaths will only amplify their voices. For one, remember our friend, Imo! He created something in me to have a simple lifestyle!
In 1986, most of us were all student, some were activists. In 2001, most of us have changed, some remained consistent (I salute them), and depending on one�s perspective, whether all are in agreement or not, we evolved to be better individual. Each having a different role to share in this new wave of change. For sure, some of you are better thinker than myself because of your experiences,
but more so, we need each other and other people of different lines, shapes and colors to give us a better
perspective of what future lies ahead of us.
Please correct me, but I simply believe that all the spectrum of our
political lines, shapes and colors (L, C, R, L-C, R-C) whatever we may call it, has something to share for our better future. For no one has the monopoly of righteousness, but yes, credibility makes it stronger. The call for constitutional turnover, truth commission, cha-cha, constitutional assembly, parliamentary, TRG, caretaker govt., etc. are all in the offering. I believe any of these options will only be meaningful, if and only if Gloria surrender her power. This is step one.The next step will only be envisioned to have a clear line, color and shape after the conclusion of the first step.
Logically speaking Gloria will not resign for fear she will end up sleeping with Erap in jail. Even the most trusted politicians, Jovy and Joker think its a political suicide to do so. But, again, who will conduct for the unseen hand to move? Is it FVR? JDV? CIA?, Military? Let us all remember they were all things of the past, our not-so-beautiful past. Nonetheless, together with them, the trapo and the masa, all of us once again, will be used as instrument, for another chance of change!
Whatever position of political lines, color and shapes, pro, anti and prayer rallies, all are collective segment and necessary ingredients of a meaningful change that is happening before us. Like it or not, political rallies will be called prayer rallies, only in the Philippines!
The unseen hand will force Gloria to resign eventually! And who could that be? Only GMA knows it. For she also as an instrument, her conscience will not sleep continuously not to understand reality.
Even if Gloria clings to power longer, the better for majority to be educated as more truths will uncover more lies in the government. As we have seen and other will start to see, Gloria is not only the problem.
More and more people in power and the corrupt system they are protecting will be exposed. Believe it or not, we will also start meaningful changes in ourselves. Again this maybe a long shot, but together let us all aim a bulleye in our heart.
More than ever, now is the proper time to correct the error of the past.
If this part of history will make us all witness to have 2 presidents in jail, so be it! And, let us work closely together to put into jail all corrupt government officials and businessmen! Others beware, for it will surely give the best education to our future leaders and children!
Again it is true that history keeps on repeating itself for us to correct what we did wrong and to change what is still needed to change.
Our challenge, I would say is how to continuously evolve as a better warrior of our times. Truly, the �unseen hand� is working for a better Philippines!
But again, who would tell us who could that exactly be? My answer will surely creates more questions! Like, Is impeachment being proposed by some well meaning individual could be an �unseen hand� doing?
Prayer is part of my answers!
GOD BLESS US ALL,
ELM
necromancer said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:19 pm
Kaya nga kayo PERENIALLY nasa kalye at mga taong katulad ko ay naka taas ang paa sa loob ng airconditioned na opisina e����tsk���tsk�. Wala ka pala kwentang kausap BENIGNO!!!!, nakataas pala ang paa mo at aircon ka pa� siguro kung walang aircon dyan mainit no�.. NAKAHIGA KA BA?
rdabadiano said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:26 pm
tigas face GMA, wala na tyong pag-asa khit cno umupo pare parehas lang silang lahat mababaho, malalangsa, mandaraya, magnanakaw at higit sa lahat mga walang dios, kc PERA ang dios nila.
psencia na folks, kung ako�y naging pessimistic. But that is the real truth, my pag-asa paba tyo?
eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:26 pm
Benigno is asking for MATH. here. do your math:
ASKDOC said: Did some quick calculation using your formula and a streetmap.
The stretch of Ayala from makati med(salcedo street) to makati ave(manila pen) is around 1000 meters more or less. The width of ayala ave (inc. sidewalks) is around 40 meters. (my house is 40 x 80 m so I know how wide 40 meters is) That means the area is 40,000 sq. m.
The stretch of Paseo from Ayala to Makati Ave is about 500 meters x around 30 m width would give 15,000 sq m. or 55,000 sq meters total. Your formula means the crowd should be between 55,000 to 110,000.
AT around 6pm. RG Cruz of ANC reported that the crowd had swelled and had reached one block beyond the Manila Peninsula while on Paseo it had reached Buendia. That added 12,000 sq m in Paseo and about 6000 sq m from Ayala for a grand total of 73,000 sq m. So if my map is correct, the estimates at peak should be between 73,000 people to 146,000 people.
The police has the right formula, its the numbers they plug in that is �defective�.
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AS USUAL, the police applied DAG-DAG BAWAS.
watda!
eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:27 pm
check out some photos of the AYALA rally at BBC.
dang said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:33 pm
speak up ninoy este �benigno��..
claymore said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:39 pm
benigno�
nakataas ang paa sa mesa, naka erkon po�tsk, tsk, stsk,�.siguro nangunguyakoy kapa?�..napakasarap ng buhay�.
Pinag aaksayahan ko ng panahon ang iyong mga akda, pinipilit kung intindihin sa kadahilanang mahina ako sa ingles�..
Iyon pala�y aksaya lang ng panahon�..
Hindi mo maiintindihan ang mga tulad naming mahihirap�.sa kadahilanang di mo man lang nasubukan ang mabuhay ng tulad namin�di mo nasubukan kumalam ang tiyan�.ang di makapag-aral�..ang mabuhay sa lugar na mas nababagay lang sa mga hayop�
Ang ibig mo�y tumahimik lang kami, upang �wag mabulabog ang iyong mga �sariling interes���tsk,tsk,tsk�..
Mas mahihirapan kang paniwalain ang mga naririto sa iyong paninindigan (kung meron man)�.. sa kadahilanang ang kanilang kinamumuhian ay ang larawan na iyong ipinakikita�..katulad ka rin nila�.
eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:46 pm
breaking news: lumabas na naman si CHAVIT. at ang sabi nya galing daw sa mother of all tapes� erap caught on tape discussing with a certain NAZARENO to topple �PANDAK� and to install a revolutionary government.
SABI pa ni CHAVIT, balak daw ng opposition na patayin si GMA.
GANOON??? Paano nangyaring galing sa mother of all tapes to eh bakit hindi kasama si GARCIllano sa usapan. as per transcript di ba laging BIDA si GARCIllano???
ba�t wala to sa transcript ng PCIJ???
nagpapapel lang ba si CHAVIT dahil napag-alamang hindi totoong he was stopped in a certain street to be ambushed by erap�s men when erap was president and turned out that he was stopped by the patrol because he beat the red light???
gannoon??
Leo said,
July 14, 2005 @ 7:05 pm
Talagang tayong mga Pilipino ay mahirap ng magkaintindihan pagdating diyan sa pagsasagawa ng rally, sa kadahilanang tayo ay kanya kanyang paninindigan pagdating sa lahat ng bagay.. Nung edsa 1, anong sabi natin, laban sa saligang batas, pero ng magtagumpay sila, labag pa ba sa saligang batas?� naulit kay erap,,, labag din sa saligang batas, pero nagtagumpay sila� Eto na ngayon, labag din sa saligang batas, hindi na raw kailangan ang isa pang edsa, daanin na lang daw sa dasal,, Noong una, dahil walang interes na masasaling , nagsama-sama sina Sin, Cory, FVR, � ngayon may masasaling, kaya umatras si Cory, natira na lang si FVR at CBCP.Noong una malaking factor ang panawagan ni Sin, natural mga panatikong Katoliko ay naglabasan sa kalye para saklolohan ang kanilang kaparian.. Ngayon ang mga taong nasa labas bagamat katoliko ay hindi naman panatiko, kaya konti lang ang bilang nila. Bagama�t labag sa salligang batas ang paraang ito ng pagpapaalis kay GMA, wala namang silang ibang pupuntahan, ika nga e, inumpisahan nyo na daanin sa kalye ang pagpapalayas sa namumuno sa gobyerno, e di tapusin natin sa kalye� at natural karamihan sa mga sumama sa rally ay mga isinakay ng mga taong pasimuno ng rally.. una, wala na nga akong pang-almusal mamasahe pa ako papunta sa rally, no ka sinusuwerte, ako nga gusto kong sumama sa rally, paano ko magagawa 3 araw na akong di kumakain, naiintindihan mo ba benigno? Paulit ulit ng mangyayari ang mga bagay na ito, wala ng katapusan yan� Pag ayaw mo sa nakaupo, maghakot ka ng tao, mag-rally ka� Yan ang itinuro ni Cardinal Sin ang inyong bayani, sa mga walang makaing Pilipino na nagugutom dahil sa mga tiwaling namumuno sa ting gobyerno� Sige , rally tayo,,, tinamaan ng asuwang na buhay ito� sus ginoo� Inumin natin ang dugo ng mga halimaw�� |
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PRESIDENT Arroyo in the last week named new department secretaries to replace those who resigned on July 8.
1. Margarito �Gary� Teves - Department of Finance - Land Bank of the Philippines president and CEO, and former Rep., 3rd district Negros Oriental, 1992-1998;
2. Romulo Neri - Department of Budget and Management - Director-General of National Economic and Development Authority;
3. Augusto B. Santos - NEDA - Deputy director-general for regional development office;
4. Peter Favila - Department of Trade and Industry - Banker and Philippine Stock Exchange president; and,
5. Datu Zamzamin Ampatuan - National Anti-Poverty Commission - Executive Director of the Office on Muslim Affairs
Speaking yesterday before diplomats and Filipinos living in the United States, the President said of her new Cabinet officials, "It�s a good team. It�s the kind of team that I can leave the day-to-day affairs of the government with while I work on the more fundamental reforms." These were "reforms," including amending the Constitution, that she spoke of on July 7 when she announced over government radio that she was not resigning.
In the same event yesterday in Malaca�ang the President also dared those who want her to step down, "Show me the plan." Just a day earlier Ayala Avenue and Paseo de Roxas in Makati were filled with protesters demanding for Arroyo to quit her office amid allegations of wholesale fraud in the 2004 elections.
OICs have also been named to these other offices until their new heads are appointed.
1. Ramon Bacani - Department of Education - DepEd undersecretary;
2. Jose Mario Bu�ag - Bureau of Internal Revenue - Deputy BIR Commissioner;
3. Datu Nasser Pangandaman, Al haj - Land Reform - Undersecretary for Mindanao Operations and Indigenous People;
4. Lualhati Pablo - Social Welfare and Development - Undersecretary;
5. Alexander M. Arevalo - Bureau of Customs - Deputy BoC Commissioner; and,
6. Rene Sarmiento - Office of Presidential Adviser for the Peace Process (OPAPP) - member of government negotiating panel with the National Democratic Front
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ricelander said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:49 pm
PCIJ reports: �the President also dared those who want her to step down, �Show me the plan.� Calling on the Opposition, show her your �plan� she might just consider stepping down if she finds it to her liking. She could go �hmm, this is good; Ok I will resign asap�.
lawspeak_007 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:10 pm
�Show me the plan� gloria was quoted as saying yesterday.
I thought what I have heard yesterday was � Show me the way out�.
gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:18 pm
Does the opposition have a plan? Yes of course take her down. Then turn on each other afterwards.
You think she will be asking that if she knew there was a plan? It was a rhetorical question. If the opposition had a plan then she would be blasting away at their plan not asking if they had any.
The fact is, they can only agree to take her down. Afterwards each his own. You think the Leftists are going to allow the elite to stay? Hah! There will be a grand purge I tell you. First to go down will be Susan Roces. Then all the rich people with cars and western oriented menatlity. That means the Ayalas, the Legardas, etc. Maybe most if not all of the liberal democracy minded journalists of PCIJ.
You think Lacson will allow susan to lead? No way. He is PMA! He thinks he is a higher being! According to him �Ang superstar at supercop hindi pwede pagsamahin� or something to that effect. Im sure he was happy when FPJ died.
How about Erap? Hah! he wants his own council and abolish the supreme court and congress. Then send Gloria, Erap, Villar and Singson to jail or maybe let them have an �act of God� accident. Then he will remind you all of his �utang na loob� to Lucio Tan and his barkadas.
You think this is a good future? Now is that a good plan? We need a new opposition, free of the old politicians and extremists. But I doubt if that will happen. I put more hope in the martial law babies when they come of age. This current generation of leaders all suck!
gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:29 pm
I relish the thought of the Opposition crumbling into fiefdoms with their own kings and queens. If this is what you call crab mentality then im a proud crab!
If the new administration takes power i can expect a grim political climate. ban on strikes and demonstrations. Charges against a lot of people like Gloria, Ramos, Reyes, etc. enforcement of responsible news writing. All the measures to make sure edsa dos will never happen again.
gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:40 pm
All you oppositionist supporters will applaud and say there is a brighter future because your President can now be free from the threat of the bad guys taking him down. And make better lives for everybody.
Of course I can expect people to think that he will not cheat and steal because their President is a good hearted consciencious person. He will be so good that all criticism is not true.
P.N. Abinales said,
July 15, 2005 @ 5:38 pm
�It�s a good team. It�s the kind of team that I can leave the day-to-day affairs of the government with while I work on the more fundamental reforms.� GMA
�The [technocratic] movement gained tremendous momentum after Marcos declared Martial Law and abolished Congress. The technocrats had free rein and Marcos is quoted as saying that he would just lie back and let them run the government.� (Sixto Roxas, in Juetengate: The Parable of a Nation in Crisis, 2000, pp. 86-87.
Marcos messed up the Philippines 15 years later, GMA, well, in the span of four years!
Sheila Coronel said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:35 pm
Jojo, while it is true that most of the new Cabinet members can be described as �technocrats,� we should also not forget that some of them have connections with politicians and cannot be construed to be merely apolitical experts recruited for their skills rather than their connections. Romulo Neri, for example, was for a long time head of the Congressional Planning and Budget Officce during the extended speakership of Jose de Venecia. He is very much a JDV guy.
Peter Favila was head of the Philippine National Bank during the Ramos era, when it was still in government hands, and was responsible for, among other things giving a hefty $14-million �behest� loan to businessman-rocker Ramon �RJ� Jacinto so the latter could buy PNB-owned property on Buendia Ave. in the mid-1990s. The PCIJ wrote about this deal in 1998 (what happened was PNB lent money to RJ so he could buy the property at a recordbreaking price of P3.7 billion. Then RJ offset his loans to another of his company with payments made on the property. In other words, a clever manipulation of the books that got RJ off the hook.) Both Favila and RJ can be described as Ramos boys. Favila is also a nephew of Ramos-era Central Bank Gov. Gabriel Singson, also known to be close to FVR.
Ampatuan comes from a politically-influential(and very controversial) clan in Maguindanao, with strong links to the JDV faction of Lakas. Remember that one of the Ampatuans, Andal, is Maguindanao governor. As another Maguindanaoan politico revealed (the story is in the special edition of i magazine), President Arroyo defeated FPJ in 2004 with the statistically improbabale margin of 99.83 percent to 0.17 percent in seven Maguindanao towns where the mayors are all members of the Ampatuan clan.
It seems that the Ramos and JDV boys are coming to the President�s rescue, and if they are really running the day-to-day affairs of government, it�s something to be concerned about. Now that Neri is in charge of the public purse, it�s �happy days are here again�(I sometimes think of Philippine politics as a musical) for the JDV boys in Congress, particularly if a politically charged impeachment trial takes place and Malacanang wants to buy favors with the help of budget releases from the DBM.
jonathan said,
July 16, 2005 @ 12:42 am
Shiela, i agree real reforms will now take a back seat unless these guys will truly perform. the presidency is in a survival mode and she needs all the political capital that she can harness to consolidate her base. Just as the opposition has to share their bed with the reds, the cuckoos, and all sort of characters just so they can take her down. For her to do so otherwise is tantamount to political suicide. Unless you�ve noticed, this is war that�s being waged and you can�t hire potential judases to be in your side.
masha said,
July 16, 2005 @ 12:49 am
this is gma�s personal war and she�s bringing down the country with her. she�s still concerned in saving face. she doesnt even have a messianic complex. it�s all about her and her pride.
P.N. Abinales said,
July 16, 2005 @ 9:00 am
Sheila, thanks for the clarification (GMA doth lie like Marcos in proclaiming these folks� technocratic professionalism!). Will PCIJ come up with a full political bio of these people soon?
tobebs said,
July 16, 2005 @ 12:34 pm
Dapat mag-isip isip muna si Gloria sa paghahamon sa oposisyon na ipakita what is their plan, baka tumulad sya kay Defensor na nong pinatulan ng oposisyon ang kanyang hamon ay bumahag ang buntot at biglang nanahimik.
LadyL said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:12 pm
I hope that Mr. Zamzamin Ampatuan can truly change and make a difference in the lives of his fellow muslims. For a start, he can alleviate the lives of their constituents in Maguindanao who happen to be living in extreme poverty. Maguindanao as everybody knows is being ruled/ governed by the controversial Ampatuan clan which happens to be in one of the poorest regions of the country.
sensual said,
July 16, 2005 @ 5:02 pm
@ Gangster_Roger
You have sound and good arguments and I do not think that you blindly support PGMA, regardless of what her plan would be for the country, BUT�.yes there is always a BUT�� BUT what about the issue of her supposed phonecalls to Garci and the DagDag thing? Is this not the main issue and the ONLY issue what we should discuss about her right now? I know she is US-educated etc., etc., etc., and she is so very good for all of us, even though I almost collapse every month anew if I see the utility costs like power, gas and lpg go up and up and up ��just NORTH since we have HER in Malaca�ang.
To reiterate now, GANGSTER_ROGER, are we, the people of the Republic �allowed� to ask whether or not she did wrong and are we �please� allowed to ask for impeachment if there are grounds to do so?
Everybody is so damn proud to speak about Democracy and the basic bill of rights everybody enjoys but WE the people, who put our politicians into power on election-day, we the people are not allowed to question their actions? Do they become God-like once in office? My stomach turns and churns if I see people like Sec. Gonzales and Sec. Defensor how blindly they defend the indefensible.
Why do we have to bear with people like Raul Gonzales at all? Its PGMA who burdens us with a Justice Sec., who lost all link to reality since he sits in that office of his. He would not shy away of jailing EVERYONE who says anything bad about PGMA or criticize her style of governance. Its simply SCARY to watch what our current government is doing.
I personally HATE grandstanding and PGMA is grandstanding on a daily basis. Opposition for me doesn�t necessarily mean, that I am from the other side of the aisle, no, opposition means, that I simply oppose what any or all of the politicians are doing and how they are performing.
The POWER in a Democracy stems from the PEOPLE, not from a single person. And we, the People (or at least a great percentage of the people) find PGMA at this time unfit for her office, and we shall be damned if we can�t make our voices heard!!!!
Period.
eyesWIDEopen said,
July 17, 2005 @ 3:34 pm
that is correct sensual. DEMOCRACY means: of the people, by the people, for the people.
kung forgive and forget na lang dahil si GMA naman presidente eh at sabi ng mga pro-GMA walang puwedeng ipalit eh, kaya tama lang na icheat ang election.
watda. ano pa ang saysay ng democrasya?
fandong said,
July 17, 2005 @ 4:29 pm
sana pinalitan na rin sina bunye, gonzales, tiglao at defensor. hinde na nila ginagawa ang kaniulang mga trabaho, puros press conference na lang. nag aaway away ba sila lahat maging presidential spokesman o press secretary?
bayonic said,
July 17, 2005 @ 9:57 pm
akala ko ba sinabi ni GMA noong July 7 speech niya na she will ask her entire cabinet to tender their resignations ?
eh bakit wala pa ring nangyayare ? pinalitan lang ang mga nag resign ng kusa ?
talagang pre-emptive strike lang yun para hindi mapahiya .
koyobayashi said,
July 17, 2005 @ 10:47 pm
bayonic, my sentiments exactly (naunahan mo lang ako).
Bullet said,
July 19, 2005 @ 10:53 am
I have high regards to Mr. Teves. I just hope he will not be manipulated by GMA in doing illegal contracts w/c is for the sake of self-interest, and not for the love of country. On the other four new secretaries, I merely say they are really FVR/JDV boys. Filipinos could not count on them.
As the latest news, I applauded Cecil Guidote and Vicky Gatchitorena resignation. The reasons are valid - you can�t perform efficiently while the fake president is busy restoring/saving her political image. Public funds should be used in good projects, and not for PR image build-up of La Gloria. Kawawa naman tayong mga taxpayers!!!
masha said,
July 19, 2005 @ 11:01 am
defensor papalitan? fair-haired boy defensor? di ata posible yun. he not only serves as a cabinet secretary he also is a comedian of sorts. he makes the president laugh daw. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:32 pm
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Bill Requiring All Taxpayers to File Annual Financial Statements Slammed
In a recent Congressional hearing, the Chamber of Real Estate and Builders' Associations (CREBA) assailed as unconstitutional a requirement proposed under House Bill No. 2895 for all taxpayers ~ whether natural or juridical ~ to annually file with the BIR a statement of assets, liabilities and net worth.
CREBA said that the requirement, purportedly aimed at preventing tax evasion or fraud, would violate a person's Constitutional right to privacy, presumption of innocence and guarantee against self-incrimination.
Imposition of the requirement presumes that the taxpayer has already committed tax fraud. His declarations in these financial statements could be used against him by the BIR to support charges which may turn out to be false, or as a means for unscrupulous BIR personnel to harass taxpayers and make all sorts of nefarious demands, CREBA said.
Equally dangerous, CREBA said, is the very real possibility that innocent citizens may end up as kidnapping victims should their financial statements fall into the hands of criminal elements.
For the protection of citizens, CREBA said, the Constitution allows the veil of privacy to be pierced only when the State, subject to the due process guarantee, shows "probable cause" to charge a person for an illegal act.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:28 pm
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THINGS are getting curiouser and curiouser.
First it was the battle of the press statements. Then it was the war of news conferences. Then they launched the battle of the rallies. Today, it was the war of the wiretapped conversations, the latest engagement in the battle of pirated CDs.
Ilocos Sur Gov. Luis “Chavit” Singson, a diehard supporter of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, yesterday released to the media what he said was a wiretapped conversation in which former President Joseph Estrada appears to have approved a plan to assassinate Mrs. Arroyo and do away with former President Fidel Ramos.
Singson said two persons he did not know had given him copies of the CDs containing a wiretapped phone call supposedly made by Estrada in May 2004 to former armed forces chief Joselin Nazareno. He told reporters that this was part of the unreleased segments of the “mother of all tapes” in the possession of former National Bureau of Investigation deputy director Samuel Ong, the same tape from which the “Hello, Garci” conversations came.
Reporters lapped up the handful of CDs Singson brought along for distribution to the press. The CDs were stamped with labels: they were entitled “The X-Tapes” and even had a caricature of President Joseph Estrada, as well as a playlist of the six cuts in the CD, the last of which was the wiretapped Estrada conversation.
The first five cuts of the CD included a call in which Estrada inquired from Nazareno, who seemed to be the one being tapped, about the results of the 2004 count. Another call had an Estrada aide talking to a politician or political operative in Mindanao. Senator Panfilo Lacson said in an interview with DZMM that these calls appeared to have been recorded by the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines with the cooperation of Smart, the mobile-phone company. (The Smart spokesman subsequently denied they had cooperated with ISAFP.)
The last cut, where Estrada supposedly plots the president’s assassination, sounds suspect, as the sound quality is noticeably clearer than those of the other cuts. Lacson insisted this was a manufactured conversation and so did Senator Jinggoy Estrada.
Over GMA Channel 7, the younger Estrada called Chavit’s revelations a "diversionary tactic meant to shift public attention to Erap." Jinggoy said that in his father’s long years of public service, had not heard of Erap plotting the murder of anyone. The same could not be said of the man who released the tape, Jinggoy said, referring to Singson.
In the alleged conversation, a voice, supposedly Nazareno’s, told his caller, supposedly Estrada, that Lacson had approved a plan to remove "pandak" (midget) and replace her with a "tanda" (crone) through a transition government.
The first voice then said "tanda" would get sick, leading the way for Estrada’s return to power. Tanda was apparently a reference to Ramos.
Beside Singson at the press conference was Ramon “RJ” Jacinto, former Lakas congressional candidate and owner of radio station DZRJ. In 2001,at the height of EDSA 2, Jacinto was also responsible for coming out with anti-Estrada CDs containing songs lampooning the former action star. He is also a staunch Arroyo supporter.
Early yesterday morning, text messages sent to journalists already announced that DZRJ would be playing wiretapped CDs implicating Estrada.
This latest release appears to be an attempt by the President’s supporters to muddy the trail and confuse the public mind. It was apparently released in an attempt to draw public attention away from the “Hello, Garci” tapes and a recent revelation that the president had talked to Garcilliano about padded votes or dagdag.
Meanwhile, in Malacanang earlier today, a feisty Mrs. Arroyo lashed back at her critics and accused them of having no plan of action, merely a “blueprint for obfuscation.”
“Even if people don’t like me right now, neither will they follow a road to nowhere,” she said in an uncharacteristically animated and forceful manner. In a meeting with some 500 Filipino-Americans gathered at Malacanang’s Rizal Hall, the president also announced her endorsement of constitutional change and a restructuring of the Cabinet to allow her, she said, to focus on the business of reforms. She named erstwhile NEDA chief Romulo Neri head of the budget department and banker Peter Favila secretary of trade and industry. She did not, however, announce a timetable for charter change and made no commitment to calling elections earlier than the end of her term in 2010.
She sidestepped these issues, instead promising more doleouts, in an apparent bid to win more public support. These included cheap rice to be sold in National Food Authority rolling stores, subsidies to local governments that would allow them to extend Philhealth cards for another year, and a road construction program to give jobs to the unemployed.
The measures did not include the demands the Cabinet members who resigned last week had made of the president, among them, a revamp of government to rid it of those associated with First Gentleman Mike Arroyo. The president’s speech was more like something she usually gave out while on the campaign stump. It was apparently intended to show she was in control and it was business as usual.
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Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:43 am
San yung tracks? We’d like to download and hear for ourselves.
Maria said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:37 am
I’m not pro Estrada nor GMA. The main problem here is rigging the election. The people that are involved in cheating the election itself and I ponder what got to do with Estrada plotting to kill GMA on present political crises in the Philippines? What I know the the crises started at “jueting payola” then ” the mother of all tapes” discussion of GMA and Garci rigging the elections. Then GMA admitted that she was the one on tape and say “sorry”. Even I listen to Estrada’s tape plotting a murder against GMA, I have to concieve the main essense of the case that connects to the destabilization of the Philippines. Singsong, can do anything he wanted but he had to connect the dots that points to the real culprits to the present crises of the country. Estrada’s tape would be just like any conversation planning to harm GMA but had not taken actions to murder her. As we all can see GMA is alive and kicking.
floyd said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:51 am
now they are shifting to a new court.
the advisers of Arroyo are tricky really tricky.
what they did is to question the authenticity of the motive behind the tapes and now place their bets on a new refurbished tape.
using DZRJ as a medium for it it doesnt play fair because estrada cant get them arrested for charges of sedition.
damn he cant even sue them for libel.
propaganda was used by hitler to demoralize his opponents and spread lies.
it has worked for him, and we dont know if it would work for GMA.
but one things for sure. when people hear that much against estrada and estrada is being rendered helpless he will have more supporters than opponents being the underdog that he already is.
the government oversimplified the situation resorted to badder more morbid tactics.
i think it will backfire.
their CDs will never sell or be better than the quadruple platinum sales of GMA and her hello garci tapes and ringtones hehehe
more power!
username said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:32 am
bakit wala na sa DNS ang quezon.ph ???? nakalimutan ba ni MLQ3 magbayad nang monthly nya? or binura ni Disini ang domain name nya sa nameserver nila?
Ganda talaga novela nila GMA meron nanaman bagong twist… pareho nang studio ang gumawa nang CD na ito at ung kay Sec Bunye kasi napakatanga parin at napaka obvious na ung last section ay patong patong lang as in HELLLO! nilagyan nyo man lang sana nang konting noise para convincing!
Dinagdagan lang nila ang pwede maisama sa impeachment case laban kay GMA. Maganda yan para sa bayan.
jt2k6 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:35 am
Another wiretapped conversation? More comedy act from this Zarzuela! Next scene please.
jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:05 am
the main issue here now is the WHOLE TRUTH. so please dear blogger dont dismiss this is as a muddling issue. sinimulan ninyo tatapusin natin. walang sinasanto. walang kulang walang dagdag. less than that is advancement of an ulterior motive na.
Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:15 am
jonathan: pakinggan mo yung tapes ni Chavit na “authentic” daw and compare it with Toting Bawi’s “authentic” Ruado tape wherein Toting insisted that GMA was indeed talking to a “Gary” and it was not “Garci” but Bong “Gary” Ruado.
Then compare it with the Paguia tape and the 3 hour tape from the PCIJ.
You said you wanted the TRUTH right?
username said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:23 am
ang KATOTOHANAN dito ay ang MALACANANG ay gumagawa nang illegal.
Nakakatakot na ito kasi lahat pala nang kalaban sa pulitika ay nakawiretap…
tsk.. tsk.. tsk..
at sana naman ung magsasabi na hindi malacanang me kagagawan nito (wiretapping) eh magisip isip naman…
dami nang karapatan ang nilabag nang pamahalaang ito…
Xiarine said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:35 am
Whatever happened to the country that I truly love? Philippine politics is like a circus…Ano ba ang gusto nilang mangyari sa bansa natin? Pulutin tayo sa kangkungan? Kaya naman marami ang naghihirap dahil puro sakim at sugapa sa kapangyarihan ang mga nasa gobyerno!!! Puro na lang para sa kanila ang ginagawa nila!!! Hoy mahiya naman kayo sa mga balat nyo!!!!
jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:06 am
dont be naive guys there are dozens of tapes out there. what i want like everybody else is the mother of all tapes, not snippets of it.
Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:59 am
^ yeah. I want to hear that mother of tapes too….kung intact pa at di pa nabubura ng mga kulugo ni GMA sa ISAFP.
tobebs said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:19 am
It seems malacanang is quiet about King Chavit Singsong’s tapes. I think they’re playing it safe this time baka MAKURYENTE nga naman uli.
juanbagwis said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:22 am
I have doubts if Ong is still alive especially when Chavit said yesterday that his remix cd is part of Ong’s mother of all tapes. Kahit malayo ako sa radyo napakalinaw nung huling part kumpara sa conversation ni Nazareno at Estrada. namumula na naman ang mga hasang ng mga pro-gma, alam nilang peke ito pero pinagpipilitan na totoo daw
Pinoy OFW said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:51 am
KINAKABAHAN NA YAN SI CHAVIT,kasi malapit lapit nang matapos ang JUETENG pag napaalis si GMA.
bat nga ba di nakasuhan yan nang JUETENG,considering confessed JUETENG operator sya during ERAP’s trial……
gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:57 am
Is it real? Is it authentic?
Its only logical that there would be wiretapped material from everybody. Once some people get the equipment we can expect more wiretaps.
emer said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:59 am
sa aking sariling opinion parang dinoktor lang talaga yung usapan daw ni erap at yung isang hinde kilalang lalaki tungkol na pumayag daw si ping,, ang liwanag ng boses at yung background clear na clear, ay naku ano ba yan!!! gagawa lang ng kasinungalingan e hinde pa maayos,, palpak ang pagkakagawa. kanino bang studio ginawa nun kina rj jacinto.. e di ba bayaw ni mike arroyo si RJ ( yun katabi ni chavit sa presscon) kapatid ni mike arroyo yung asawa ni RJ… ang masasabi ko lang kay chavit,, hoy chavit mukhang kang engot sa ginwa mo.. di man lang nyo inayos para kapanipaniwala…gawa nalang ulit kayo ng ibang CD yung kapanipaniwala naman plzzzzzzzzzzz lang
gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:00 am
I think I have to look for gsm scramblers. I have nothing to hide but i dont want people to “put words in my mouth”.
gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:01 am
Ok to’. This is the ultimate in “transaprency”
gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:03 am
We really need all of the recordings. wiretapped or not. somebody got a lot of them and they are keeping it to themselves. If somebody knows anything about it just post it on this blog.
gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:07 am
actually it logical for a sympathetic engineer in one of the telcos to listen in to interesting people. what if the engineer is an Erap loyalist then in his frustration he will be willing to put his job and his employer at risk. I have an idea how the perceived injustices against Erap enrages a “loyalist”. my neighbour is one and its incredible how agitated he can get. and sometimes thats all he thinks about for several days. its worrisome because my mother is a vocal GMA supporter.
Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:09 am
emer: ganyan din yung binida ni Bunye dati na “orig” na tape. pakinggan mo. makukuha mo yun dito sa PCIJ.
username said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:11 am
eto pa pinalitan na nang mas murang ticket at kahit malugi ang MRT para lang mawala ang mukha ni erap sa MRT ticket.
totoo nga ang sinabi nang mga 10 cabinet members na ginagawa lahat nang malacanang para lang mabuhay kahit ito ay sa kalulugi na nang gobyerno.
jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:11 am
chihiro, im glad you invited me to listen to those tapes. but let me ask you. do you have training in audio/voice analysis? i must admit i don’t. have you heard the song ‘Unforgettable” where Nat King Cole and her daughter Natalie Cole did a duet? To an untrained mind that duet was authentic.But now we know that the audio was spliced. In other words whatever i say does not have any bearing at all in any court of law. You know why not? Because i am not an EXPERT. To listen to those tapes and form an opinion, that is your right. To form a judgment on a person without expert opinion, that is another matter. Sadly, that’s what we have become. Metro Manila has become a city of fifteen million AUDIO/VIDEO EXPERT WANNABES when for most of these people their closest brush with the most sophisticated audio machine is probably their local videoke bar. That’s why, Chihiro, back to your invitation, i will listen to those tapes. But before i start marching in the streets and shouting RESIGN, i will always bear this in mind: I DON’T KNOW s**t!!
gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:13 am
Appealing to sense of decency never works. ITs only threats of violence or violence that will get their attention.
Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:24 am
jonathan: you don’t need to BE an expert. maririnig mo naman yung consistency sa mga recordings and use your common sense. di ka ba nagtataka na tila yata PAREHAS ang consistency ng “orig” ni Bunye at ng tape ni Chavit? recall that Bunye had INSISTED that GMA NEVER spoke to Garci (samantalang inamin na ni GMA na nakipag-usap sya). And that instead, she spoke with GARY, a supposed member of her campaign team. At isa pa ginawa nilang EKSAKTO yung mga sinabi nitong GARY na ito sa mga sinabi ni Garci dun sa 3-hour tape and dun sa Paguia tape! Di man lang ginawan ng bagong imbento.
you do not need to be an expert to look for the truth and to know when it is there.
juanbagwis said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:41 am
Chavit’s tape should be labeled the NORTH DIVERSION TAPE. Si RJ Jacinto ng Radyo Bandido gusto na naman sigurong makabehest loan. Pakisingil nga po itong si RJ ng mga inutang nya sa gobyerno ng milyon milyon para sa mga negosyo nya na laging nalulugi
Darren said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:41 am
Bakit ba ang daming nagsasabing “there are dozens of version of the Hello Graci tape”? Para sakin naman dalawa lang ang versions e.. Ung kay Ong and Paguia kasi diba pareho lang yun? Excerpt lang nung kay Ong yung kay Paguia? Pero pareho naman ng contents.. Yung second version ay yung kay Bunye na obviously fabricated.
tobebs said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:51 am
Sa dinamidami ng mga naglalabasang tapes ngayon di na natin alam kung alin ang original o alin ang naunang nai-tape. I think these developments would pose a challenge to those audio tape manufacturers to produce audio tapes or CD’s that would record the time and date of audio recordings just like in video recordings.
Partisanong Lagalag said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:06 am
Nagpapanik na si Chavit. Alam nyang reresbakan sya ng mga dati nyang kakosa kapag napataob si GMA. Kaya lahat ng milagrong pwedeng gawin para masalba lang si GMA gagawin ni Chavit.
At sinong gumawa ng CD ni Chavit? wala nang iba kundi yung katabi nya sa presscon -si RJ. Siempre sa studio ni RJ niluto ang mga CD’ng yan. Halata naman masyado na dinuktor lang yung kausap kuno ni ERAP ang isang di kilalang lalaki. Yung lalaki lang ang ang may story line habang si Erap puro Oo, Ah, at Ok lang ang sagot. Napakalinaw pa nang recording nung lalaki parang nakamicrophone lang at yung script na gamit nya (i.e. transitional government, etc.) ay mga terminong sa kasagsagan lang ng protesta laban kay GMA tumampok.Kulang na lang lagyan ni RJ ng background na nagigitara siya. Mas kikita pa sana yang CD’ng yan.
Kunsabagay para sa mga maka-GMA, si Chavit ay itinuturing nila na isang bayani. Kundi dahil sa kanyang pagpiyok dahil inonse siya nila Atong Ang at Erap sa hatian ng kita sa jueteng, hindi maluluklok sa poder si GMA.
Kung si Chavit na sagad-saring kriminal ay kinikilalang bayani ng gobyerno ni GMA, alam mo na kung anong klaseng gobyerno meron tayo ngayon.
masha said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:27 am
panggulo lang yang bagong tape. tactic yan ng mga heneral na kampon ni gma. they floated the new tape thru chavit ( who has a lot riding on gma). ayaw nilang ma associate with the tape baka mag backfire pero baka mag work rin kasi.
si chavit kasi napahiya yan dahil nabuking siya sa ruse niya na i-aambush siya ng mga tao ni erap. e talaga lang palang nag -run ng red light ang mokong.
whatever this tape is, it doesnt take away the fact that the person in malacanang right now is a cheat and doesnt deserve to be there and should resign posthaste.
GMA RESIGN!!!
koj said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:32 am
i disagree that the govt made a hero out of chavit…it’s us, pinoys (or should i say those at manila at that time) who were waiting for erap to make a blunder. the same pinoys who are trying to oust arroyo by the same method…
the only difference is that the middle class, who comprises most of those in edsa 1 and 2, aren’t buying such call yet…it might if they feel that the impeachment (the one i believe we’re leading to, because rallies won’t make gma step down) is rigged.
these new twists and turns, including chavit’s tape, whether true or not, fake or authentic would bring this nation further down…this is a lose-lose situation and we pinoys would end up as losers…
let’s get back to earth and face reality…
indio_lawless said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:50 am
Indeed, Malacanang spin-doctors and paid publicists never run-out of political gimmicks just to save the Queen.
The latest of which is putting Chavit “accusatory” antics into play.
While we, denizens, need not be experts to know the difference between Chavit’s and the gloriagate, the queen supporters posit a contrary view.
The funnier part is, they are heavily banking on the “expert witness rule” to discredit people who opines that Chavit’s tape is spurious, as if we are in a court of competent jurisdiction.
On the assumption that we are litigating this issue, then the concept of “expert witness rule” should be made clear.
Section 49, Rule 130 of the Revised Rules of Court, provides that “the opinion of a witness requiring special knowledge, skill, experience or training which he is shown to possess, may be received in evidence”. Thus, for the rule to apply the following requisites must concur: 1. The subject matter is contested and requires an expert to aid the court 2. The witness called must possess the knowledge, skill or experience needed to inform the court in the particular case under consideration 3. Expert testimony should relate to matter in issue.
Unfortunately, we are not in a court room but in a court of public opinion.
Verily, in a court of public opinion, aforesaid technicality is clearly irrelevant.
crd_web said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:56 am
I aggree @ koj, pinoy people are ending up as losers here. Especially the uneducated and the poor, but I think there is still hope as Einstein would say:
In the middle of the difficulty lies the opportunity.
I have seen my opportunities regarding our current situation and learned so much from it. I hope some people see it as I see it.
Once again,
let’s get back to earth and face reality…
tekiboy said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:56 am
hellooo..everybody..does any one here got the CD..bka pwede nyo upload link..so we can hear it..even if its look like fake..pagtyagaan narin..baka maging doble platinum pa yan..hehehe
Garcigwen said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:13 am
the chavit cd is good for one news cycle. nobody in the admin will want to push it. lalo silang mabubuking. i heard it on tv. the last tape
is obviously fake. there is no flow in the conversation.
Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:21 am
^ gaya nung tape ni Ruado. ibinaon na nila sa limot.
Leo said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:36 am
Ang paglabas ng tape na ito na di umano ay boses daw ni erap ay isang maliwanag na indikasyon na ang mga nasa likuran GMA ay nagsisimula na sa kanilang ipakita sa sambayanan na hindi sila ganoon kadaling alisin sa kapangyarihan. Gaya na mga nauna ko ng pahayag, sila’y handang pumatay at magpakamatay huwag lamang maalis sa puwesto.. Bakit ngayon lang lumabas ang tape,,, inaayos pa ba, binubusisi pa ba? Kung si Prof. RANDY DAVID siguro ang naglabas ng tape, baka bumenta, pero si chavit kasama si RJ, ito’y isang desperadong hakbang ni Chavit para isalba ang kanyang sarili… siyempre sa dami ng kaso nya, baka hindi nya malusutan kung maaalis sa puwesto ang kanyang mga amo… Samakatwid, hindi na natin kailangan ang expert daw kuno,,, sabi ni JONATHAN,, para alamin pa kung tunay o hindi… ESEP LANG TAYO ESEP….
jemasan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:44 am
It seems that Chavit Singson is out of his mind again,it is very clear that they want to divert the issues with this new tape, with his cohort especially RJ Jacinto of channel 29 station.Alam kong pakawala ni Gloria si Singson kaya lang parang hindi kinakagat ng tao ang bagong propaganda nila sa administrations.
Sana pag naglabas ng wire tapped material ang sipsip na kakampi ni pandak yung kapanipaniwala para hindi bumalik sa kanilang mukha ang latay.
Jesse M. Sanchez
pags said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:46 am
Dapat ay imbistigahan yong cd ni chavit para malaman ng tao na pinagloloko tayo nito. Tapos huliin itong si chavit at buhusan ng barya galing sa jueteng. Para naman mabawasan ng isang salot sa ating bayan.
tobebs said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:51 am
Parang hindi pinatulan ng Malakanyang ang tape ni Chavit pati si Gonzales parang nabigla at di alam ang isasagot sa interview sa kanya tungkol sa tape. Maingat lang sila ngayon at baka 50.000 VOLTS na naman ang tumama sa kanila.
Leo said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:52 am
Marami pang mga susunod na hakbang ang kampo ni GMA, marami pang tape na lalabas, ang susunod naman ay ang tinig ni Fernando Poe Jr. na ipinapapatay si GMA dahil sa natalo siya sa eleksiyon,,, uunahan ko na dahil doon din naman pupunta yon,,, headline!!! boses ni FPJ ipinapapatay si GMA - sa halagang 5 milyon, abangan nyo… Kapag ang mga bagay na ito ay naganap na,,, ang maglalabas naman ay si bunye dahil babawi siya sa mga kahihiyan nya…. hehehe.. sus ginoo… Nagbalik na kaya sa kampo yung 6 na batalyon na missing … hehehe… andoon na raw sabi ni kabise,, nagpapahingalay,,,, mga utoy dahan dahan,,,
saluyot said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:59 am
saan ba pwedeng madownload yung chavit tapes?
ilalagay ba ng pcij sa downloadables nila ang naturang recording?
tungaw02071974 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:03 am
Hope We can download and hear the X Tapes kumbaga the battle of wire tapes
Bensgr8 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:04 am
i hope it comes with transcript, too.
Bensgr8 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:10 am
jueteng, loteng, i think the next would be hello-teng. place your bets
noelet said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:24 am
What they want are media exposures, sensational headlines… that would for a moment divert attention. Pero it would be part of the defense once the impeachment trial kicks in as one of their delaying tactics.
Should atleast one ally of Erap should really pursue this and authenticate the tape by expert either locally or abroad. Post a technical details of it in the newspaper to convince people how cruel Malacanan’s tactic are.
lavinia said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:24 am
Wow, I didn’t realize that this wiretapping controversy was going to be better than any novel produced by Robert Ludlum or any spy thriller written by famous authors.
I’m sure the x-tapes will not be the last wiretapped CDs coming out this year. Sino kaya ang palagi nagsusupply ng tapes for administration and opposition? At bakit nila gagawin yon for both opposing camps? Anong motive? Abangan ang susunod na kabanata!
agol_78 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:32 am
ako may tape na ilalabas.
scatch tape! lagyan ko ng tape bibig ni chavit. lalo pa yata ako naasar kay chavit. halata naman pagkakagawa na doctored ang tape. tapos sa first part wala naman dayaan don. pano makadaya si nazareno naman. resulta lng ng eleksyon ang pinaguusapan tapos napunta sa assasination.
niloloko pa yata ako. sus!
kng hindi magkakasakit si tanda pano yan? marami din ayaw kay erap baka gulo na naman. ang tanga naman ng oposisyon kng ganyan ang plano.
kng elikida si GMA ok lng d ako magagalit.
lawspeak_007 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:43 am
I concur with pañerong Indio_lawless and by putting Judge Salazar’s Compendium in Evidence in “e-motion”.
With his kind permission, it can be added that even a non-expert may also give his opinion regarding a) the identity of a person when he knows said person b) the handwriting of a person when he has knowledge of the latter’s handwriting c) the mental sanity of a person with whom he is sufficiently acquainted. The witness may also testify on his impressions of the emotion, behavior, condition or appearance of a person (Section 50,Rule 130,RRC).
In simple words, the opinion of an ordinary witness may be admissible per compliance with the requisites and as long as it is relevant to the case.
I further agree with indio_lawless that in a court of public opinion, the rules of admissibility may be disregarded, but a caveat : common sense is not that always “common” just like what some of gloria lackeys do : the boorish gonzales, compounded by another round of lies courtesy of chavit singson.
Which again bring us back to the question asked by Atty. Raul Pangalangan : Whether GMA is prepared to give the law the benefit of justice.
chac said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:01 pm
It’s a desperate move for the Malacanang to field in Chavit Singson to do another heroic instance just to save their last breath.Nobody wanted to earn the karma of it…not even mike defensor kaso wala ng maniniwala pa sa inyo…iba yung pinaka-original wiretapped tape kaya di nyo na kayang burahin yun sa utak ng mga tao kahit ilan pang pirated tapes ang ilabas nyo. It only shows kahit di aminin ni Mike Defensor na totoong nandaya si Arroyo. Huh! grabe naman talaga ang katinuan nyo dyan sa Malacanang at tinalo nyo pa si Lucifer sa kademonyohan sa pagbali-baligtad ng katotohanan.
jjc1384 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:10 pm
Comparing yung last part ng X-tape pati yung part ng “yung dagdag, yung dagdag” ni GMA at Garci, halatang PEKE yung sa X-tape…wala man lang background…parang recorded sa studio! Halatang fake….Chavit, sana di mo nalang nilabas….lalo to makakasira sa inyo…..wawa ka naman! Sira na talaga kredibilidad mo! Mag-sama nalang kayo ng kabit mo…..Ang kabit ni chavit ay nanggaling sa isang sikat na pamilya mula sa General Santos City…”T” and start ng family name ng kabit niya……
Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:14 pm
engot si Chavit. pero wais si Ermita - dumistansya agad.
The Pageman said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:02 pm
I would like to re-echo Chihiro’s sentiments. Is there no copy of the tracks? Let the Filipino decide!
LadyL said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:06 pm
I only saw the news on TV here in L.A today courtesy of ABS-CBN. The whole thing is very comical to me. He is so pathetic. Desperate people do desperate things you know.
tobebs said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:15 pm
One point Chavit wants to emphasize regarding the X-tape is that GMA won in Mindanao. Yes I agree with Chavit that GMA has won the presidential election in Mindanao because of “yung dagdag, yung dagdag”.
CHAVIT’S X-TAPE A FLAK! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:31 pm
lawless said.”Unfortunately, we are not in a court room but in a court of public opinion.
Verily, in a court of public opinion, aforesaid technicality is clearly irrelevant.”
Look, expert opinion is supposed to give the parties an objective and scientific way to solve disputes. Don’t dismiss it as mere technicality because these tapes are being used to fan mob rule. What if in the end, the tapes are found to have been dubbed, spliced, and edited just to suit the evil malfeasance of a certain group? Who will pay for the billions of dollars worth of damages that has been done to our economy?
Unfortunately, too, your way is not the way civilized socities are governed.
pingkian said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:24 pm
There is no doubt in my mind that the x-tape of chavit is spliced, though i agree that the said tape should be investigated and authenticated by a credible audio experts. I heard that senators jinggoy, loi and lacson, are agreeable to have the said tape be authenticated. They are even wiling to resign if the said tape were proven to be authentic and not spliced.
The x-tape only reinforced the belief that the “hello garci tape” is genuine. I congratulate Cong. Cayetano, Cong. Villañueva and the rest of the congressmen and women who accepted the challenge of Sec. Defensor to resign if the hello garci tape is proven to fake. I hope GMA will also resign if the hello gaci tape is authentic.
johnmarzan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:29 pm
It’s interesting that the mainstream media had no problems playing the “wiretapped” chavit tape, even though chavit claims that he has not authenticated the tape yet. Ipinarinig yung tape sa GMA7 kahapon.
But pagdating naman sa Gloriagate tape, ayaw o reluctant ang mainstream media na i-play ito — making excuses re the tapes being wiretapped and “not verified” by experts.
Why the double standard, Mainstream media?
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eh ang kaya lang naman gawin ni sec. defensor eh manindak, siya kaya isalang din nya sarili nya na pag totoo yung tape eh magresign din siya kasama ng mga arroyo’s?
i havent heard of the x-tape, any links that i can download to verify how authentic it is? feeling ko kse pinagpachi pachi lang yan na mga boses sa radyo, o di kaya sa mga movies ni erap noon. hehe.
pingkian said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:43 pm
I agree with you johnmarzan. I’ve been monitoring radio and tv stations and even the broadsheets. In fact, GMA apologist is dominating the air waves. Of course, the mainstream media do some reportorial, editorial and critical commentaries on GMA, but only to have a semblance of credibility. Buti na lang may pcij blog. Thanks to pcij.
Alecks Pabico said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:46 pm
As soon as we get hold of a copy, we will be making the audio file of Chavit’s “X-Tapes” available for download on our blog.
crd_web said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:49 pm
ok that’s great, I am eagerly waiting for the tape, rumors said there are some songs of RJ and the Riots included.
chac said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:54 pm
Yun din ang tanong ko sa sarili ko…why? bakit ang daling pnadinig sa mga tao sa TV news ang tape na galing ke Chavit gayung yung hello garci tape ay inabot pa ng ilang linggo at katakot takot na debate sa kongreso bago bigyan ng permiso na iparinig? dahil ba ang nakaupo ang me pakana at di ang opposisyon? Bakit walang memo na pinalabas ang National Telecommunication para ipagbawal ang pagpaparinig ng tape sa mga tao? Me naamoy akong mabaho ha!
indio_lawless said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:12 pm
Jonathan, thank you for taking time to comment on my earlier post
but if you have read it finely, the CLEAR DISTINCTION between a COURT ROOM and the COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION will not escape you.
For your enlightenment, the former is governed strictly by the rules of court whereas the latter, the exercise of which is protected by the organic law subject to a reasonable regulation of the government.
In layman’s word, all I am saying is: technical rules applies where it should be applied. However, in arena of opinion, such as this blog, your opinion is as good as other’s opinion. Respect is the keyword not the rules of admissibility.
As to your concern who will be ultimately culpable for the damages done, the Philippine legal system provides for a proper forum and venue for that. Consult a lawyer of your choice to discuss a prospective civil suit for that particular matter.
I’m equally amused when you finally remarked, “Unfortunately, too, your way is not the way civilized socities (sic) are governed. ” Tell us then YOUR WAY, hoping that will IT make us all CIVILIZED.
Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:16 pm
Haay Supreme Court….
Do you see what you have done? If you had just abided by the Constitution in 2001 hindi sana mangyayari ang mga ito ngayon. We would still have the Constitution to rely on and we would still have respect and fear for the law.
Ngayon, wala na. Dahil kayong mga mahistrado na sumumpang ipagtatanggol ang Saligang Batas ay ang namuno sa pagsira dito.
tonyvn said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:28 pm
Hahaha!!!! Funny baga!! ano ba yan? Ayaw talagang tumigil ang mga salot na opisyales ng pinakamagaling nating gobyerno ng mga Mandurugas, Mandarambong, Mambubusabos, Magnanakaw, Mamamatay Tao at higit sa lahat Mandaraya!!!!! Hindi na ba talaga titigil ang mga kampon ni Satanas sa ating bayan!
Katakataka! ang mga naglalabasan na issue sa diyaryo, tv at radio para lang maibaling ang public sa mainit na isyu ng ” 2J (Jueteng at Jose Pidal)at GMA-Garci tape”. Pilit na pinapatay ang totoong isyu!… akala nila ay mga tanga at bobo ang lahat ng tao. Sino ang mga “tanga at mga bobo” na lumalabas, eh di silang mga nasa administrasyon dahil kahit sarili nila niloloko!… Mag-isip-isip naman kayo! Sino ba ang maniniwala kay Singson ngayon kundi ang mga kampon ni GMA na diehard at mga Obispong kakampi niya!…Pag bagsak ni GMA ay magharakiri na si Chavit!… Sino ang sasama sa kanya sa paghiwalay ng mga Ilocanos sa Pinas!… hahaha! ikaw na lang mag-isa mo ano? di naman tanga at bobo ang lahat ng Ilocano? mag-isa ka na lang! Kinamumuhian ka ng iyong mga kababayang Ilocanos!… Power greedy!…
ef612 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:36 pm
Hay naku, si Chavit humahabol ng tabla! Para bang, ” O iyan ha, meron din kayong wiretapped kaya tabla na tayo. Kaya tumigil na kayo.” Siguro nataranta siya sa dami ng taong dumalo sa Makati. Pagnatanggal kasi amo niyang si Gloria, PATAY KANG BATA KA si Chavit. Kaya lahat gagawin para manatili sa pwesto.
Mr. Chavit, tell it to the marines.
rich___ong said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:43 pm
It’s PEOPLE’s money again being used to SAVE the QUEEN.
Its easy to figure out why we have all these BUDGET DEFICITS and CREDIT DOWNGRADES. I think S&P and Fitch knew that public money will be wasted to prop up GLoria. I think we should stop paying taxes. They can’t put us all in MUNTINLUPA
ginnylimbo said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:05 pm
hey, chavit! that’s really cheap! bad taste… if its really authentic as you claim it is, why only now? wala ka na ba talagang magawa sa buhay? you already have plenty of money (unfortunately, you cant buy your own salvation in heaven), enough!
i agree with you rich_ong, its our (taxpayer’s) money…if the admin is claiming that the people from anti-gma rally last were paid, so is tomorrow’s pro-gma rally… dont argue anybody coz its true! most govt employees are offered with P150 plus a t-shirt… the hell with the people from gma’s camp! they’re wasting our money just to save gma’s presidency.. i just hope nature will take its course and bring you back to your creators! enough is enough!
noelet said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:29 pm
This is regarding the House minority’s preparation for impeachment:
“Another office will also be put up for the official legal team and volunteer lawyers, who will be assisting in the impeachment process.
“Suplico said they would temporarily be using the Office of the Minority in the House of Representatives for their meetings.”
A word of warning… be careful your meeting room might be bugged or wiretapped.
jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
indio_lawless,
i have no quarrel with you regarding the rules in the court of public opinion. all i am saying is that although it is not governed by the rules of the court, it would be prudent for an individual to subject his judgment on a certain matter through thorough objective analysis. Expert opinion although not a requirement is a prudent individuals way of arriving at a conclusion. What i am afraid of is the arrival of a conclusion based on a faulty premise. Thank you for your lawyerly advice on where to seek redress for those damages. unfortunately for me, i grieve on those damages.
longbow2 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:40 pm
i wouldnt be surprised is somebody comes out of the blue and have an affidavit signed na sya yung kausap ni erap sa tapes na ipabagsak si gam at gamitin sa tanda!! Just like Bong Rualo
If meron, para patunayan true, dapat mag lie detector test sya in front of 3rd party such as pare para magkaalaman
Which makes me wonder, it totoo yung tape, di ibig sabihin pumayag si TANDA (Former Pres FVR) na magpagamit na ibagsak si GMA at mag lead ng transition , bago ipapatumba ni erapa at ping!
Humm???? they need movie directors to make the story at least credible naman….
timawang_batas said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:49 pm
Dito ka bibilib kay Erap,
Pagtinanong kung s’ya ang boses sa tape
sagot agad immediately.
Kung hindi, di hindi.
Pagpinaratangan ka ba naman ng mali
then you have the right to correct it.
Otherwise, one’s papel in life
will result to estoppel na nakakagigil.
Unlike gloria, nagsinungaling muna
pagkatapos she will apologise to all
including the masa
enough said she said otherwise
she could set again the record straight
Malacanang is consolidating their ranks
including their respective banks.
Loyalty check para sa lahat na alipores
including all cabinet secretaries
Aba, parang Star Circle Quest
it’s either you are IN or OUT pala,
Tuloy,nakaka-bwesit!
Bukas,dapat may lakad kami ng mahal kong lola,
pero tumawag at nagpa-kansela.
sayang daw ang Php 2,000 na
ipamimigay ni Lito Atienza
na may kasamang T-shirt pa.
Okey talaga si Mayor, basta kay gloria
maski pundo ng
Clean and Green gagamitin
para laging labing-labing.
Bukas din pala, ninong kong pulis,
nagpapasabi ng tsismis
wala daw red alert, and of course, this is not ma-init
Sa pro-gloria rally sa Luneta,
ang mga binayarang tao ay mag-mi-meet!
Ang Intelligence nga naman po ano?
soledad t. tubay said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:54 pm
Ang masasabi ko lang, ang pagsisnungaling walang ibinubungang mabuti. Pagdating ng oras, katulad ng Greek tragedy, ang tragic hero, will meet his or her doom. Kung gaano kataas ang lipad siyang lakas ng lagapak. It’s seems like all these politicians, particularly the arrogant allies of the present dispensation, have not learned their lessons. Or probably they did not read any of these tragedies in their literature classes.
I likewise wonder why GMA is said to be intelligent when right now she is not demonstrating such brilliance that she is supoposed to have. Or does power not only corrup but also renders one to be deaf and blind. ‘Di naririnig ang totoong sinsabi ng tapes ni Paguia at ‘di nakikita ang totoong resulta ng mga surveys at bilang ng mga dissatisfied sa mga nangyayari.
Our only saving grace as a people are the young leaders who are brave enough to show the trapos what it takes to be a real statesman. Hurrah to Allan Peter Cayetano, Chiz Escudero and their fellows who really should never get tired in digging into the truth. You are these country’s fair hope.
blue3 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 5:06 pm
mag-reresign ang mga estrada senators kapag napatunayang authentic yung tape ni chavit? sana nga authentic para mabawasan na ng clowns and senado.
indio_lawless said,
July 15, 2005 @ 5:07 pm
I commensurate with your plight, jonathan.
I have sustained damages too if not losses.
If not for THE FIRM, my modest office could have a good chance of surviving at this trying times.
Thanks but no thanks to gloria,
But for now life under the mango tree thrives on
until the day of her resignation.
claymore said,
July 15, 2005 @ 6:16 pm
WALANG KUMAGAT…….tsk…tsk….tsk…
Dahil ang tao “gutom”, hindi “tanga”…..malayo ang sikmura sa utak…..
Iyan ang napapala ng mga tao’ng “napakagagaling”, “matatalino”, at mataas daw ang pinag-aralan….
Gasgas na ang kuntador ng utak, di na alam ang gagawin…
Dito nga sa “looban”, natawa anak ni aling tacing….walong taon lang ang bata….. dahil kung si erap daw iyon di tatawagin “pandak” si ….,matangkad pa daw iyon…”unano” daw ang itatawag para walang “dagdag”…walang”dagdag”
el_aStiG said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:06 pm
nakakatawa!
kasi pag labas ng “hello garci” tape na yan, usap usapan d2 sa workplace ko, -”nakup, delikado gloria nito, tiyak, me mga plano na namang diversion tong lintek na malacanang…”
“…baka me bomba na naman. o, kaya, pang kontra sa tape na yan.”
BOOM! ayun, tumama!sakto! galing naman ng gobyernong eto! ngayun, si chavit, sino pa uli kaya ang magsilabasan? #&%!
huh, lurker lng ako d2, nagbabasa lng, and bloggers are right. nakakaawa ang pilipinas dahil sa mga namomonu d2.
soledad t. tubay said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:23 pm
According to GMA this is not a popularity contest. Owww?!!! Kaya pala dahil nag-hit ang tape na Hello, Garci, naglabas naman ng ibang tape ang kalabang recording studio. Kaso, di magaling yung singer at pangit yung composition. Launching pa lang nilangaw na (naalala ko tuloy yung premiere night ng isang pelikula sa isang bayang wala namang sinehan… sino kayang pilantropong producer ang magtatapon ng salapi para lamang makapanood ng isang makabuluhang pelikula ang mga mamayang walang pera?).
At… dahil flop daw ang July 13 fans day ng opposition for Ms. Susan Roces, may fans day din sa Luneta sa July ano ba yun? Di nga popularity contest.
Mrs. Arroyo, please lang. Ang hirap para sa mga teachers na turuan ng moral values ang mga estudyante kung katulad po ninyo ang leader na kilala nila. Paano ko sasabihin, “NO CHEATING?”
noelet said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:17 pm
(http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=43645)
THE “WEAPON” that the opposition has been using to unseat President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo has backfired on them, a Malacañang official said Friday.
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Tiglao said it was the opposition that first introduced an “immoral weapon” by way of wiretapped tapes, which recorded Ms Arroyo’s conversations with an election official during the canvassing of votes in the 2004 election.
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“Some other people who do not necessarily support the President but has something against [former president Joseph] Estrada will surely make moves using their own weapon. They will use the same dirty tactics being used by the opposition,” Tiglao said.
“This is not a monolithic administration where everything is controlled,” Tiglao said, adding that speculations that the Palace had a hand in the release of the tapes by Singson were “hogwash.”
“Malacañang or any government official in the entire executive department do not have anything to do with those alleged tapes,” Tiglao said.
End of excerpt.
Oh my God!
Yesterday Malacanan said they would reserve their comment after they hear the contents of the tape.
Now look at that statement. Its really an appeal to take all this wiretap evidence as immoral weapons? Talk about resigning ALL the cabinet where in fact Gloria only change faces those who have been prominently screwed trying to defend the president.
Instead of Bunye… its now Tiglao. And with Tiglao they changed strategy and put to Singson the responsibility of countering the tapes. Malacanan is so fearful of a repeat backfire with Bunye. Now the plot is so thick to put to the opposition the wrong merits of back-firing. So as to distance Malacanan from the shameful example of what a very conspired and eagerly so dirty retaliation made by them through Bunye.
SHAMEFUL, MR. TIGLAO.
SHAMEFUL, MR. BUNYE.
SHAMEFUL, MRS. ARROYO.
For even as you deny involvement, the people can see a lie through the eyes of the speaker. And be prepared to accept the next trust rating survey Mrs. president.
SO SHAMEFUL. MALACANAN OPERATES ON SHAMEFUL AND IMMORAL ACTS.
Do not hide you dirty stuff with your diplomatic manner, Mr. Tiglao. For you are now here ONLY because Mr. Bunye failed.
Or Mr. Bunye has been a victim of strategy that never really his.
And it points to ONLY ONE person — THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES. A very shamefull presidency.
noelet said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:22 pm
I really wanted to call Mrs. Arroyo the “Weak Republic” president. But that seem not enough.
SHAMEFUL.
el_aStiG said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:38 pm
well, let’s look ahead on our school values;
1. “Cheat, just don’t get caught!”
2. “If caught, simply say, I’m sorry!”
GMA’s problem - her head is full of lice, scientifically known as - “helogarcidayamu eleksyonis”.
huh, in election time, they’v shoutd, “VOTE WISELY!”
yun pala, it’s that easy to maneuvr the thing that made us all here very equal! ang boto natin. uhg!
el_aStiG said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:42 pm
from noelet: SO SHAMEFUL. MALACANAN OPERATES ON SHAMEFUL AND IMMORAL ACTS.
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well said.
shameful. very shameful.
lethal_pointofview said,
July 16, 2005 @ 5:15 am
Wake up call to all mobile phone subscribers…
WE ARE NOT SAFE…OUR PRIVACY IS IN DEEP DANGER…
Appeal to the Masses…
Let us all stop using Cellular Phones for 1 month..Let’s try who’s losing their business…(just an experiment)
SMART,GLOBE, and SUN CELLULAR might be cashing in from our conversations(they might allow some 3rd party company’s and detective investigators to prey on our privacy…..this is hilarious…SENATE should investigate this companies…
Malacañang and other allies of Manang GLO are very desperate to cover up their deeds…If Gloria will be pulled out in her rented palace…there will be an over haul of dark deeds in Malacañang..dark ghost and spirits will be swift away…. Why is it that everyone is afraid of Ramos, Chavit..and other sick people in power(on and off)…
I am dissappointed about some local newspaper who are bayaran…”As if they are non partisan…fearless…and the truth shall…when in fact…they all have some sorta paid advertisement and paid news…with all the faces and pictures in focus…
I am appealing to PCIJ if they could make a report about the ownership of some tabloids and bigtime newsmakers in broadsheet as well…if who owns this sheets…coz i find it bias to some articles that i’m reading…
My analysis…I dont want to read any newspapers…
the likes of Tigulang na Chavit…make your own script…dont copy a script… as if someone give the CD to you..Be UNIQUE…
To RJ Jacinto..
get real…
Did Gloria and Mike ask your assistance…no wonder you didnt won in any public office candidacy…because you are Not REAL…
masha said,
July 16, 2005 @ 5:33 am
hindi uubra ang boycott ng cell companies. naka kontrata ang marami. kapag di nila ginamit ang alloted minutes/text, matutuwa pa ng cell companies kasi kumikita sila kahit walang serbisyong binibigay.
tobebs said,
July 16, 2005 @ 7:34 am
Sa dinamidami nating mga cellphone subcribers why not form a COOPERATIVE and establish our own Cellphone company just like ELECTRIC COOPERATIVES. Anybody here who is an expert in Cooperatives if my suggestion is possible?
CGBacani said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:07 pm
Akala ni GMA, Bunye, Tiglao, Defensor (at mga alipores nila), mga bobo ang mga pinoy na katulad nila.
Alam na natin kung sino ang gumawa ng panloloko sa elelction and nowhere can we say that the opposition is in a position to cheat in the elections. The one who controls the machinery of cheating — Comelec, Namfrel and military is the government. Sinama ko dito ang Namfrel dahil talaga naman ayaw nilang manalo si FPJ dahil they are not sure of FPJ economic program. At least with GMA, alam nila na its business as usual for the business elite.
Sabi nila galing daw sa oposisyon ang wiretapping at kesyo gawa daw ni Ping Lacson. With the recent wiretapping of Erap, would that mean that Ping Lacson will allow the release of a wiretapping conversation where his name is mentioned as one of who are planning for an assassination of GMA and Ramos? Masyado naman crudo ang akusasyon na ito.
The fact is, the problem of GMA is she is self-destruction. Ang mga pinaggagawa niyang katarantaduhan during the elections at mga kapalpakan nina Bunye at mga alipores niya ay bumabalandra sa kanila.
Pwede ba galingan naman ninyo gumawa ng script!!!
lavinia said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:23 pm
Akala nang opposition at militanteng grupo (at mga alipores nila), mga bobo ang mga pinoy na katulad nila. Satsat nang satsat sila …wala naman silang nagawang tama para sa bansa….puro na lang rallies, hanap ng mali o contobersiya, reklamo at investigation. In fact, sila ang malaking dahilan na bagsak ang ating ekonomiya.
The fact is, the problem with the opposition is they are self-destructive. Ang mga pinaggagawa nilang katarantaduhan ngayon at mga kapalpakan ni Aquilino Pimentel at mga alipores niya ay bumabalandra sa kanila.
enjeng wapeng said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:45 pm
Lavinia my dear! You’re such a …. forget it! Hindi nga bobo ang mga pinoy kaya nagrereact sa ginawa ni Gloria eh… Ikaw hahayaan mo bang nakawan ng anumang gamit mo gayung alam mo kung sino ang magnanakaw? I’ just asking my dear… and please don’t ever say that mga bobo pinoy… ask yourself first before you make judgement to others… ok…
masha said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:50 pm
naku! paglilihis lang yan sa isyu. kailangan natin laging ibalik sa tapes. nahuling nandaya si gma kaya kailangan na siyang mag resign. kung anu-anong palabok ang idinadagdag ng mga aso ni gloria para guluhin ang usapan at mawala ang focus sa pandarayang ginawa niya at sa pagkabiglang yaman ng mga kaanak niya (mikey a 50K in 1992 to 76M in 2005; iggy arroyo from 19K Income tax paid to 300M net worth).
enjeng wapeng said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:00 pm
I don’t consider myself as one of those who believes in nothing! Everytime Mrs. Pidal ooops. Arroyo pala spoke to the public she always says that It is for the sake of Filipino people that is why I have many plans to improve our economy. ” PLANS” where is the execution Mrs. Pidal, OOOPS …Mrs. Arroyo. You know I’m not fool like you so I dont want to call you as president. Why? coz since 2001, what kind of economy do we have right now. Are you economist? Ecopromise… New terminology Mrs. Pidal… ECOPROMISE KA… hindi ka economist.. pwee ka…. ANG SINUNGALING AY KALAGUYO NG MGA MAGNANAKAW…
eyesWIDEopen said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:13 pm
one more thing… CEBU leaders are planning and holding meetings to create a REPUBLIC of CEBU (and in fact a REPUBLIC of the VISAYAS) if GMA is ousted… Isn’t that inciting to sedition???
eto katotohanan lang… majority of people na nag EXODUS dito sa MANILA ay galing sa VISAYAS…
alam mo kung bakit LAVINIA????
walang trabaho sa CEBU!!! saan kaya patratrabahuin ni GARCIA at OSMENA ang mga kawawang CEBUANO???
MAG - ISIP naman sana mga lider natin sa CEBU no. intawn maluoy mo namong mga bisaya nga nianhi na lang sa MANILA kay wa trabaho sa ato!!!
yon lang yon.
Naz said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
Lets not forget mindanao. Infatc they were the 1st once to announce an independent state of mindanao. Scary to think of it. My mind is like drawing all sortsa pictures. “Breaking news: Three new countries emerged from east-asia. Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao.” For me, thats the real destabilization. ill take it as threats.
Godbless!
eyesWIDEopen said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:19 pm
eto pa LAVINIA, kindly do youR math…
WHEN i was working in CEBU for almost the same JOB that i have now here in MANILA,,, I was only paid 2,500 gross per 15th…
now that I am here in MANILA I am now paid 10+++ net per 15th. GOOD LUCK na lang kung mobalik pa kog trabaho dinha.
My friends who are still in CEBU, kalooy pud,,, can only visit AYALA mall and SM mall per 15th… cada sueldo…
I wish you open up your eyes LAVINIA and I hope you won’t generalize all BISAYA or ALL CEBUANO with what you called… CEBUANOS love of GMA!!!
AND certainly, having joined the AYALA rally, I don’t consider myself bobo. BAGKUS i considered myself vigilant against the cheat and the gloriagate.
penpenpen88 said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:31 pm
The fact is, the problem with the opposition is they are self-destructive. Ang mga pinaggagawa nilang katarantaduhan ngayon at mga kapalpakan ni Aquilino Pimentel at mga alipores niya ay bumabalandra sa kanila
I beg to disagree lavinia ang me kasalanan lahat nyan ay si gloria. The mere fact na sinalo nya ung presidency when there is this attempt by Ayala inc to oust erap (who was if i were to recall elected then by a larger margin). then but hindi nya ginawa yung sinasabi nya ngayon na follow the constitution. Ahe could have sued for calm let the impeachment continue if she was indeed for the constitution?? In fact as was said by MIguel zubirri sa NBN day one plang ni erap sa office me plano na silang i oust sya. Now, is that constitutional?? Now she hides behind the veil of the constitution she violated?? anung klaseng tao yan?????
Tungkol naman sa tapes.. anything coming from Chavit “the criminal” singson wag dapat paniwalaan.. Nakapagtataka pa nga self confessed jueteng lord yan eh. But governor pa yan ng ilocos?? dahil ba sa backing ni gloria?? Ibig bang sabihin nun eh ung dating cut ni erap binibigay na nya ke gloria?? bat po wlang nagtatanung nun?? Naka focus lang po tayo sa tapes where in fact ang daming lapses of judgement nitong presidenteng ito.. Akin lang pantay pantay lang if si erap pwedeng i oust dahil sa jueteng. si gloria pwede ring i oust dahil sa cheating for condoning subersive statements by government officials (who i doubt are really speaking for the people) who are threatening to ceceed from the republic if she is ousted (sinu ba sila??). si FVR pwedeng i oust dahil sa PPA at sa centennial expo.
CGBacani said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:48 pm
Lavinia,
You are doing exactly what this government is doing, Tit for Tat. Remember that what is happening in our country now is the handiwork of the first family. Mike and his cohorts in government and business elite. Mikey and his Uncle on jueteng issues, Gloria, Mike, Garci, Barbers and the rest of the characters in the election cheating.
The opposition is not blind not to see and hear these shenanigans and it would be foolish for all of us if we just keep quiet and allow these cabal to rule the country with impunity and total disregard of our moral values.
If you choose to be with GMA, thats fine. Be with them til eternity.
tobebs said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:50 pm
Tama ka diha eyesWIDEopen kami diri sa Mindanao nanimbawt among balahibo sa among mga lider nga bilib ra kaayo sa ilang sarili anaa si Mayor Rodrigo Duterte og Gov. Manny Pinol
agol_78 said,
July 16, 2005 @ 4:15 pm
not all cebuanos love GMA.
VLage said,
July 16, 2005 @ 6:34 pm
Lavinia’s statement can be construed to what? It’s either he/she wants to stick what she believed in or talagang tanga. I dont know but her or his statement proves something… stupidity is common everywhere.
Usage of common sense is free and we have to exercise it once in a while.
the opposition is the opposition, we cant do anything about it.
Gloria resign.
small_light said,
July 16, 2005 @ 8:15 pm
ang ganda ng mga drawing sa labels ng CDs.
Baka may comics version ng destabilization plot. Ilabas ninyo na rin.
jun_rivero said,
July 17, 2005 @ 4:26 am
Yung ki Garci wiretapped conversations, ang gamit nya ay mobile phone. Alam naman natin na wireless ang ganitong klase ng telepono. Pwede ba natin itong tawagin na “wiretapping”?
Ano kaya ang appropriate word??
Chihiro said,
July 17, 2005 @ 5:11 am
“wireless-tapping” o kaya “cell-tapping”
hee hee
usda_gradeameat said,
July 17, 2005 @ 11:43 am
Lavinia..pwede bang paki lagay dito ang mga nagawa ng pangulo mo sa loob ng kanyang pekeng panunungkulan?…
BOTTOM LINE ….WALA!
BAWAT PANGULO NG PILIPINAS MAY NAGAWANG MABUTI KAHIT ISA..NAMUMUKOD TANGI ATANG SI GLORIA LANG HANGGANG NGAYON E WALA PANG MAGANDANG NAIDUDULOT SA PINAS…
Ika nga ni Dolphy…..Dugay na sa Malacanang…..(paki dugtungan nga mga katoto…hindi kasi ako bisaya e…)
ben said,
July 18, 2005 @ 4:19 pm
hehe..galing mo tlaga chavit…And just if you think we’re that stupid to believe your so-called X-Tapes, think again…It wll NOT change the issue..your Gloria STOLE the sovereign will of the people..Its only a matter of time and you must now start rendering one of the more popular Sinatra piece..ehem..”And Now The End Is (HERE) Near and So I Face The Final Curtain…Hehe…
LCsiao said,
July 18, 2005 @ 9:01 pm
Dugay na sa Malakanyang, tonto pa gihapon
(not sure if spelling is correct)
doctorT said,
July 18, 2005 @ 10:53 pm
Uki ninam chavit. You are a disgrace to all Ilocanos. Dapat sayo ilagay sa Guinness Book of World Records kasama ng amo mo. THE BEST LIAR ON FACE OF THE PLANET. lahat ng lumabas sa bunganga mo kasinungalinan. Daig mo pa si satanas.
dong said,
July 19, 2005 @ 5:34 am
SATANAS BA KAMO DOCTOR T ?? Aba, teka muna isama mo na rin yung kandidato ko. siya yung pinaka batang bata sa cabinet officials ni GMA.. sabi nga ni tita swanny sayang, (dahil sa galing nyang magsinungaling) may potential pa namang maging pinuno sa impyerno balang araw… hak hak hak hak.
brulyo said,
July 19, 2005 @ 12:18 pm
Please tell everyone not to use Smart cellular phone anymore as manny V. Pangilinan gave a blanket authority to ISAFP to wiretap and intercept. Intelligence Service AFP is led by Brig. General. Marlou Quevedo whose cousin Atty Rogelio Quebvedo (a former agent of the Ver Led NISA) is the legal counsel of Smart. ISAFP could monitor any smart cellular phone in their offices a s they are given an E1 interface by Manuel V Pangilinan and Roger Quevedo. |
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THE Liberal Party has voted to call for the resignation of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. If Arroyo does not step down voluntarily, the party said, they will support an impeachment move.
At a meeting at the Club Filipino, twenty members of the country’s second oldest political party voted to call for Arroyo to step down; eleven members wanted the President impeached, one voted for continuing support to the Chief Executive, and one to ask her to go on a leave of absence. The majority voted as well to demand for an overhaul of the Comelec.
The LP has among its members former Secretaries Florencio Abad and Rene Villa, two of those who announced this morning that they were leaving the Cabinet. Other party members are Secretaries Mike Defensor and Rigoberto Tiglao who are remaining with the President. Senate President Franklin Drilon is a member, as well as Senators Francisco Pangilinan, Mar Roxas and Rodolfo Biazon. The party counts 34 members in the House of Representatives, and in other local positions nationwide.
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jonathan said,
July 8, 2005 @ 1:59 pm
This is actually the moment i’ve been waiting for: a new group of oppositionists culled from the current ruling party. Hopefully, they grow in number and replace the old opposition, which unfortunately, has failed to play their role. To begin with, they are the relics of the Marcos and the Estrada regimes and have been fighting with each other. Their choice of FPJ as their Presidential standard bearer last election confirms their dearth of talent. The Liberal Party as the new opposition party is a good omen for the future of Philippine politics. With a long, dignified history, they can easily attract bright and idealistic members who can compete with the ruling party and give better choices to the electorate.
Rene said,
July 8, 2005 @ 2:04 pm
Would be interesting to hear to know how Defensor and Tiglao voted and what they will do now should GMA quit (if indeed she has balls, or the people have balls to make her quit).
Mabuhay and Pilipino…
masha said,
July 8, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
cuidao. pangilinan is mr noted who helped expedite the proclamation of gma. drilon has been wishy washy.
so far ok si mar except for his association with korina. puede na sanang maging presidente later kaso si korina ang partner. dehins puede.
goops said,
July 8, 2005 @ 2:40 pm
e di ba ilang weeks lang nagsabi sila drilon, atienza, et al. na sinusuportahan ng liberal party si gma? mukhang nagbago ang ihip ng hangin. at mukhang puro hangin lang ang laman ng utak nyo…
itong si drilon, pagkatapos mag-sorry ni gma e inabswelto nya agad si gma…
itong si atienza, kaka-presscon lang nito nung isang araw kasama ang mga mayors na sumusuporta kay gma…
tsk tsk tsk… panahon nanaman ng mga balimbing…
hoy mayor atienza! dati erap ka a! tapos naging gma! tapos balimbing ka nanaman?!?! pakiayos nga ang pag-’buhay mo sa maynila’. baka nakakalimutan mo, kasama sa maynila ang tundo. puro yung sa lugar mo lang ang inaayos mo e. kailangan ng maynila ay basic services para muling mabuhay ito, hindi yung mga proyekto na pang-PR lang…
gladiator said,
July 8, 2005 @ 5:13 pm
The goal ought to be to install more principled leaders in government. Leaders of courage, competence, and most specially, character. This is why most presidents failed in the past.. I do not think Kiko is the enemy. I hear he is chairman of the National Reform Council of the Liberal Party, attempting to recruit more principled leaders (government and private) into the party and into government. Same goal. This is what we need.
LP still has some cockroaches, as any group of humans, but name me a more pallatable party than the Liberal? With the likes of Butch Abad, Chito Gascon, Gov.Robredo of Naga, and so forth. They voted 20 Resign, 10 Impeach, and 1 status quo.
PrAtTler said,
July 8, 2005 @ 11:50 pm
We had the chance to know the truth during last year’s canvassing of votes, but Kiko Pangilinan et. al. chose to invoke ‘noted’. I hope he has the humility to acknowledge his obvious ‘lapse of judgment’. Did somebody say his breaking the gable was an omen of things to come?
Mike Defensor is Gloria and Mike Arroyo’s favorite errand boy, remember his rescue of Udong Mahusay? Wrong place at the wrong time. Sayang ang talent nitong si Mike D.
Drilon seems to have mastered his role as a ‘deserter’…. remember his breaking away from Erap in 2001.
Mar Roxas has been consistently quiet on this scandal (until this LP vote). Who blames him, he’s nurturing some ambition. Will he be (one of) our best bet for 2010? Or is 2010 still a possibility?
korab said,
July 9, 2005 @ 6:16 am
nakakaamoy na ng posisyon si Drilon, kaya bumalimbing na…di uunlad ang pinas kung ang mga pulitiko ay balimbing….walang mga ipinaglalabang prinsipyo, basta ang mahalaga ay ang kanilang personal interest…pinasok nyo ang public service, dapat bayan muna ang isipin nyo!
daluyong said,
July 9, 2005 @ 1:24 pm
As i’m writing this, Mayor Lito Atienza has just finished his press conference detailing how the Drilon-led faction railroaded the entire procedure.
Mas masahol pa pala sila Drilon kay Golez, the perennial balimbing. At least Golez had the courage and dignity to lay it all on the line when no clear advantage to him was apparent. Pero itong grupong ito, terible at nakakasuka. And to think just weeks earlier, these same guys had a photo session with GMA declaring their support. And even Drilon days earlier rabbleroused Iloilo with pro-GMA flattery.
Here is how i think what happened. These guys had themselves a deal with Noli de Castro in Hongkong, a very favorable political deal. They then networked with Cory and the Makati executives. The timing says it all. After the beakaway cabinet members’ presscon, they had their own presscon. Then the MBC press release and later, the Cory Aquino presscon. Noli even had a vague press release of sorts. It was planned to be a POLITICAL COUP intended to force GMA to step down.
But the problem was: the lady just dug in her heels.
Remember the names of these politicos who take positions only if there are clear possibilities of em taking power: DRILON, PANGILINAN, ABAD, ROXAS, BIAZON etc.
I knew something was afoot two nights ago when suddenly Mr. NOTED (Sen. Pangilinan) allowed himself to be interviewed on ANC. This guy who has been silent for several weeks suddenly was on TV testing the waters again. Pia Hontiveros could not hide her disgust at this Senator’s longwindedness so she abruptly cut him off the air.
Senator NOTED-PANGILINAN, please apologize first to all of us regarding your role in last year’s cheating cover-up before you have the temerity and gall to withdraw your support to PGMA. Cge ka, baka i-withdraw rin nya ang trophy ni Sharon Cuneta!
juanday said,
July 9, 2005 @ 1:30 pm
Here is for breaking the impasse, my personal suggestion and opinion.
1. What if we allow VP Noli to take the place of GMA and in exchange Noli will appoint Loren Legarda as the new VP.
This is not to allow Sen. Drilon to take ove the post of VP because this will surely not acceptable to opposition and their team will be highly doubted by many.
Appointing Legarda to VP position will stop the PET to open the COC’s and to erase Legarda’s insistent that she was cheated because she is now the VP.
2. Another option is for Noli to appoint Pimentel as VP if Legarda is not a good proposition. This is if Pimentel is acceptable to opposition and to stop Pimentel from sourgraping because he got the next highest position of the country which he is (in my mind) very much interested many years ago.
This will calm down the restive opposition (at least for now) and let us go back to normalcy.
This is open for comments.
daluyong said,
July 9, 2005 @ 1:36 pm
GLADIATOR, I just read your post and i have some questions because i presume youre a Liberal insider.
What were you guys thinking?
The Atienza narration of events (plus Roces’, Andaya’s, etc.) detailed how GARAPAL the maneuver was. Atienza was the LP chairman and you guys did not invite him?
Did the Drilon-faction really think that its gamble of presenting to the party a fait accompli (GMA stepping down, Noli in power, LP as the head party) would transpire at all?
Pinagtatawanan lang kayo ni Manong Johnny Enrile sa radio program nya, AMATEURS daw kayo.
gangster_roger said,
July 9, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
sila naman lahat bayan ang iniisip eh. may kanya kanya lang paniniwala paano gawin yun.
ngayon pipili ka kung sino papanigan mo.
gangster_roger said,
July 9, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
Its not about character at all. its about safeguards. and transparency and platform.
who is the perfect judge of character? and dont forget characters change.
leatherneck said,
July 9, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
Daluyong,
Just so that you will not speculate out of ignorance, allow me to disabuse you from what you just THINK what happened when the Liberal Party appelaed to the president to resign. I know because not only am I an insider, I hav first hand knowledge and participation in it.
The Liberal Party has been an ally of the president since 2001. In 2004, the party gave full support to GMA, and because Senator Drilon was instrumental in GMA’s overwhelming victory in Iloilo (compared to Manila where GMA lost miserably). The president’s legislative agenda was supported by Liberal Party members in both Houses, which enabled her to implement programs that were cornerstones of her administration.
But that support has its limitations. One cannot be forced to support a leader with whom confidence is already lost. Support is voluntary and the one giving it has the right and option to withdraw it. The principle is also applicable in the relationship between an appointing authority and an appointee, where the appointee serves only “at the pleasure” of the appointing authority. A simple justification of ‘loss of confidence” is sufficient for the appointee to be asked to resign. Cabinet secretaries serve at the pleasure of the President, and they can be asked to resign anytime. Just as they can resign anytime because of loss of confidence in their leader.
For weeks, the members of the Liberal Party, more particularly the legislators, have been disturbed by what’s going on in government, especially with what’s being revealed in the inquiries in both houses. Some began to have doubts on the party’s support to the president, especially when it was becoming clear that genuine reforms were long in coming.
Party members even met with the president to express their sentiments, unlike other political parties who blindly troop to Malacanang just to act as rah-rah boys to the president.
As a consequence, the party leadership decided to conduct consultation meetings with the membership to get a feel of what direction the party should go. As a dynamic party, the LP should always be pro-active and not simply be a bystander waiting for things to happen.
The consultations were decided to be held in batches in order to make facilitation easier. Meetings were initially held last week and for each scheduled day, a set of invitees were prepared. For Friday, July 8, the meeting was scheduled to be held at Club Filipino starting at 9:00 AM. Because of the president’s announcement the previous night (where she declared she will ask the cabinet to resign), the meeting took on an urgent and crucial character so additional personalities were invited in the last minute. Including Mayor Atienza. In fact, Senator Drilon himself personally invited the party chairman.
As a consultation meeting, it started with the members expressing their views on the current situation. Of course, different opinions came out but one thing is common—the party had to act in light of the sentiments of the members and the events that were happening. The question of what to do and when to it came up. In answer to those questions, the proposal to take a vote was adopted.
There were two votes taken in that meeting. The first one was whether to act now or act later. The general sentiment was that the party had to act with urgency considering the pace at which events were happening. The members did not want to become sideline spectators and wanted the party to take an active stance. So the viva voce vote resulted in an almost unanimous decision to act immediately.
The next issue was what to do. For that, the members gave proposals to be voted upon. The following were forwarded:
1. Maintain support for the president, but with the condition that genuine reforms will be implemented.
2. Ask the President to take Leave of Absence
3. Impeach the President
4. Ask the President to resign
Before taking the actual vote, the question on the nature of the vote was discussed. It was taken into consideration that the body meeting that day was not the whole membership. Upon advise of one of the longest serving party members, Gov. Raul Daza, it was resolved that the vote will be an advisory vote to the Executive Committee which was authorized by the party constitution to make decisions for the party if the National Executive Council (NECO) could not be convened under certain circumstances.
Proponents of each proposal were given the chance to defend the proposal with Sec. Mike Defensor defending the proposal to maintain support. The vote was by secret balloting, with the following results: Resign- 20 votes, Impeach-11 votes, LOA- 1 vote and Maintain Support-1 vote.
The vote was taken just before lunch, around 11:30 AM. The press conference after the vote was aired by delayed telecast around 2:00PM over ANC.
It is unfair for Mayor Atienza to claim that he was not invited to the meeting because as party chairman, he was extended the invitation by the LP secretariat and the president himself. Personalities known to be close associates of the mayor were also present, one them even casting his vote to impeach President Arroyo. Sufficient opportunity for discussion was given to everyone and the mayor’s close associates should have spoken in his behalf or at least express apprehension about the mayor’s absence in the meeting.
Some may see the LP’s action as being opportunistic. Some may see it as an act of patriotism. But actually, it was an act of conscience.
leatherneck said,
July 9, 2005 @ 3:56 pm
JPE calling LP amateurs? He and who else?
The old man is due for retirement. Maybe he is a pro…he was a chief architect of martial law, and trampled on the constitution to oust a president, continue plotting the ouster of another and win by dagdag bawas. Yup. He’s no amateur.
daluyong said,
July 9, 2005 @ 7:36 pm
Thanks for the clarification, leatherneck.
I’m just an ordinary citizen, by the way, and i’m not as privileged as you to be privy to anything. That said, allow me to continue.
Nowhere is the deafening cry that such was an act of patriotism. Maybe in your immediate circles. But outside them, i don’t think so. It was an act of world-class opportunism, if i may say. And if there are bloggers out there who feel the same way, please voice it out.
Allow me to be makulit. Please explain in details, just as you have above, how come Atienza indeed was invited but was not appraised of the importance of what you guys were about to do? Sabi ni Atienza, Drilon invited him casually to a CONSULTATIVE MEETING, not a meeting that would result to such an OFFICIAL PARTY STAND. Whatever your answer is, in any case, I think you guys are headed to a serious party split. I distinctly remember an LP-Fajardo wing in the 80s and I can’t help but contemplate a Drilon- or Atienza-wing in the coming days.
But more than all these, I think here is the implication of whatever you guys tried to pull-off: that series of acts, that attempt at a political coup, was meant to steal the thunder from the rising malcontent and outrage of the people. Just as history would instruct us, whenever the people would rise up and threaten to storm the corridors of power, elite groups of whatever persuasion would try to steal the show so that they could have the power for themselves.
Indeed it was an act of conscience, but only within your circles. I still distinctly remember Drilon’s words while in Iloilo: “Madam President, kung ayaw na sa inyo sa Manila, pwede kayong lumipat dito sa Iloilo!” or words to that effect.
And who could ever forget Senator Pangilinan’s righteous indignation when he was saying ‘NOTED!” alongside now-Secretary Gonzales.
Here’s my take: the Liberal Party, at least its top leadership, was party to the electoral fraud committed by GMA last year against FPJ and the Filipino people. And unless these accomplices present new and more damaging evidence of this electoral fraud, you guys can never hope to force GMA’s hand to relinquish power. Perhaps in a second press conference more dramatic than what happened yesterday?
Lastly, im not a fan of JPE. Neither am I a fan of the current Opposition. I just can’t stand acts of self-serving gestures whenever I see one.
leatherneck said,
July 9, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
Daluyong,
i believe my 7th paragraph explained your question about the nature and character of the meeting.
If you see anyone in government who you don’t see as acting self-serving gestures, just post it here. I’ll be glad to put him or her on a pedestal.
leatherneck said,
July 9, 2005 @ 9:19 pm
Daluyong,
Allow me to be makulit also. You are not just an ordinary citizen. i’m just privileged to have first hand access to information that’s why I refrain from making uninformed speculation.
Unlike the President’s economic adviser who asked Dan Songco of Pagbabago@Pilipinas on ANC “what is your importance compared to the governors who support GMA?”, I still believe that we are all equal under the eyes of God and the law. We just have different accesses to information. That’s why I also can’t stand people who make judgments, conclusions and accusations without having the right information.
The problem with the country now is that the poeple have become pessimistic, suspicious, skeptical and judgemental of ALL politicians. Of course, it’s the poltiicans themselves also who brought it upon themselves. But it’s just unfair to those who serve with sincerity and honesty (I doubt if you’ll believe that, but there still are some left). If the filipinos continue to think that way, who can we count on to serve in government? The decent ones will simply stay away and who will be left behind? Those who are thick-skinned enough to take all the crapo from the people and simply ingratiate themselves.
That’s exactly what happened to the cabinet. The decent ones are those who opted out, not being able to take the heat in Malacanang. These people sacrificed their lucrative careers and peaceful and productive civilian life to serve the people. Unlike those who choose to stay in position (such as the two retired policemen who occupy DOTC and DPWH, the retired general who had to move heaven and earth just to be confirmed as DILG) who need the position more than the position needs them.
daluyong said,
July 10, 2005 @ 8:16 am
Good morning, leatherneck.
Ive just read the Inquirer this morning. My guesswork is confirmed (all you bloggers turn to frontpage, July 10 issue)—Drilon indeed engineered it all. Though of course, he and his partymates vehemently deny everything.
Anyway, leatherneck, it was a GOOD plan and a BOLD one, if i may say. It was even WELL-EXECUTED. I doff my hat (or salakot) to all of you. Had you all succeeded, you would all have our sympathies and accolades. You would have sidelined the fractious Opposition and restored normalcy to the country, at least for the time being.
Now can we all get back to the real work on the real problem at hand? I trust that the debacle would have sobered you guys up so that you will work hand-in-hand with the People from now on. Not with you guys in front but alongside us.
Sorry for the alaska in previous blogs. You still have our respect but not in the amount you want it to be. So please, cut the crap from here on.
leatherneck said,
July 10, 2005 @ 9:08 am
Daluyong,
I just read the article. Ha ha ha! Of course Malacanang sources will say that. It’s now a war of words in the media. Didn’t you notice the mdeia blitz by malacanang yesterday? They hogged the airwaves both tv and radio! They even went on character assassination of the resigned cabinet officials. It’s malacanang going on the offensive. They want to lessen the impact of those calling for GMA’s resignation. And I can’t believe you’re taking it hook line and sinker!
And do you know why newspaper articles are not accepted as evidence? Because you can’t always rely on what is written in it. A journalist cannot be compelled to reveal their “sources”. SO how can you verify the veracity fo the report?
leatherneck said,
July 10, 2005 @ 9:43 am
Daluyong,
Just additional information as food for your thought:
1. VP Noli is in no way politically affiliated with LP.
2. VP Noli is acknowledged as a “pseudo-Nasyonalista”, as one NP member put it.
3. NP members chair the jueteng and wiretap hearings (Villar and Remulla) which despite attempts by admin lawmakers to put to a stop, continue to be heard
4. NP head honcho is Sen. Manny Villar (known in political circles as having a moist eye for the top post)
5. VP Noli is a member of the Wednesday Club, the group of senators who like to take the role of swing vote in the senate, with Villar usually taking the role of Direk
6. VP Noli statements about the situation and his stand echo that of the NP
Take these information and reflect on it (that’s the NP stand, REFLECT. LP is RESIGN, Lakas/Kampi/NPC, etc. REMAIN). Sometimes a left hook form out of the blue is what knocks down a boxer.
leatherneck said,
July 10, 2005 @ 9:52 am
Daluyong,
Allow me to point out to you some information as food for your thought:
1. VP Noli is in no way connected politically with LP.
2. VP Noli is referred to as a “Pseudo-Nasyonalista”, as one NP member put it.
3. VP Noli is identified with the Wednesday CLub, a group of senators who usually take a common stand in the senate, acting as a power block, with Senator Manny Villar usually acting as “DIrek”
4. Sen. Villar is the head honcho of NP, and is known in political circle as having a moist eye for the top post.
5. NP members chair the investigations into jueteng in the senate and wiretap in the house. Despite efforts of admin legislators to stop the hearings, they are still ongoing.
6. VP Noli’s position on the current situation echoes that of the NP (Lakas/Kampi/NPC etc is REMAIN, LP is RESIGN, NP is REFLECT)
Reflect on these, Daluyong, because sometimes the left hook from nowhere is what knocks out the boxer.
usda_gradeameat said,
July 10, 2005 @ 1:02 pm
Hindi po ako magmamarunong na alam ko ang kasagutan sa mga problema ng ating bansa, ngunit isa lang ang malinaw sa akin….WALA NG KARAPATAN PANG MAMUNO SA ATING BANSA SI GLORIA ARROYO. Kung mananatili si Arroyo sa kanyang pwesto, wala na akong nakikita pang dahilan upang sumunod sa batas. Ang ginawang pagtawag ni Arroyo sa isang “kumisyon-er” ng comelec, ay nagbigay sa akin ng karapatan upang magnakaw, manakit at pumatay ng tao. Kung ang pangulo ng bansa ay maaring gumawa ng mali, ng walang “repercussions”, siguro’y nararapat lamang na pakawalan na lahat ng mga kriminal na nakakulong sa ating mga piitan, at isa isang humingi ng dispensa.
estudyante said,
July 10, 2005 @ 6:37 pm
Ok, whatever you say, leatherneck.
But let me just point out some lessons we ought to learn from all these:
1. Cory Aquino did not invent People Power. Therefore as a political force, she might as well be considered as a SPENT one. As a moral force, perhaps. But even this is debatable considering the CBCP’s rather tame and middle-of-the-road position this afternoon.
2. The option of the Noli as VP-then-P has lost its potency, including the Resign scenario. The main obstacle here is GMA’s intransigence which as events would bear out is something no one can do anything about. The decisive hour has passed and has been found wanting. This option, leatherneck, is the “right cross.” Wouldn’t you agree?
3. The ball has shifted back once again to the Opposition. What it (or they?) would do amid all these is something to watch out for in the coming days.
4. The question of who would deliver the final blow is a question of who would hold the reins of power, or at least, the position of primus inter pares. I personally don’t discount the Ramos bloc as stepping in a Palace coup.
5. Hold on tight, everybody, the struggle has become a war of position instead. Just as my name would suggest, a terrible storm is upon all of us. It won’t be quickly ended and the strong winds may blow everybody’s plans to pieces.
May God help this country as we are all teetering on the brink of a civil war. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:36 pm
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THE ongoing House investigation on the “Hello, Garci” tape is so far generating not only more heat than light, but also more confusion than clarification.
Let’s get it straight. There is only one recording — a three-hour one made by agents of the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (ISAFP) and leaked to members of the opposition in late March or early April. This is the “mother of all tapes” that former National Bureau of Investigation deputy director Samuel Ong presented to the media on June 10. The transcript of this recording is also available on this site.
Let’s not let Gen. Reynaldo Wycoco, the current NBI director, lead us astray with revelations that the NBI’s wiretapping equipment was once in Ong’s custody and that it was returned to the NBI with some equipment missing. That is neither here nor there. Our interviews with both opposition and intelligence sources confirm that Ong wasn’t aware of the existence of the wiretaps until earlier this year, when he heard about them from his driver, Lito Santiago, who happened to be a drinking buddy of ISAFP agent Vidal Doble. Apparently Doble had talked about the wiretaps in a drinking session with Santiago.
The confusion about the wiretaps arises from the fact that various versions of the recording have been released to the public. Copies of the original recording were sent to various members of the opposition, with whom Ong had links. Our sources say that among those who first heard the recording were members of the Estrada camp, including former Cabinet secetary Horacio “Boy” Morales. Copies of the three-hour recording were also sent to former Sen. Francisco “Kit” Tatad who gave a copy to Estrada lawyer Alan Paguia, who then proceeded to mint his own 35-minute version. The Paguia version includes only the most sensational phone conversations, with an overly dramatic narration made by the lawyer himself. Paguia had intended to release the tape himself, until prevailed upon by other members of the opposition, who wanted more credible and politically neutral persons to make the tapes public.
(There’s also a 70-minute version released by Sen. Panfilo Lacson, but that, too, was apparently copied from the original three-hour recording by the person who Fedexed it to Lacson in April as all the conversations in this version are also in the three-hour tape. You can download that version from this site.)
At first, the opposition thought of approaching Sen. Alfredo Lim, until they remembered that he was close to former Sen. Robert Barbers, whose voice is heard on the tape, pleading with Garcillano to get him more votes. Both Lim and Barbers were officers of the Manila police. Sen. Aquilino Pimentel was also approached, but he wanted an independent verification of the recording before speaking out. Even before the opposition could figure things out, however, Malacanang released yet more versions of the tape.
On June 6, Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye presented to the media two 16-minute versions of the recording (You can download those versions here.) Not only are those bootlegged versions, they have apparently been tampered with. To further confuse the issue: the version Bunye says is “original” is actually a fake, as it substitutes Comelec Commissioner Virgilio Garcillano’s voice with that of an Arroyo campaign operative, Edgardo Ruado, who is referred to there as “Gary.” Actually, Ruado’s nickname is Bong, not Gary. This was one of the things Malacañang got wrong: Gary was actually the code name of the ISAFP wiretappers for Garcillano, and they annotated their recording using this code name.
The version Bunye called “spliced” was actually more real than the “original” as it is cut from an abridged version of the master of all tapes (some oppositionists say that the version that got to Malacañang is the “Mentong” version, as it was put together by anti-Arroyo businessman Herman Tiu Laurel). But missing in Bunye’s tapes were references to Barbers, and the Palace conveniently made it appear that it was the President, not Garcillano, who had been bugged.
What makes us think that the “master of all tapes” version is authentic?
We validated the voices on the tape: former Comelec Chairman Christian Monsod and several other Comelec staff and officials identified Garcillano’s voice and validated the context of conversations. We spoke to six people, including four Comelec personnel, and they identified the other voices on the tape for us. Using them as our guide, we proceeded to identify most of the voices on the tape and we list them in “Cast of Characters.” The transcript that follows has the names we have identified.
In all, we identified 25 voices, but there are several other voices whose identity eludes us. Apart from the president, the First Gentleman, and Garcillano himself, the identified voices include those of six candidates who ran in 2004, 11 Comelec officials, three political party lawyers and supporters, as well as Garcillano’s wife Grace and secretary Ellen Peralta.
In addition, intelligence sources identified for us three of the five ISAFP agents who annotated the tape — that is, these agents, who were most likely the ones also tapping Garcilliano introduced eachof the calls by identifying who was in them and the time and date these took place. The sheer number of voices on the tape makes us believe in its authenticity. Who would go through the trouble of faking so many voices and making those voices sound so eerily authentic and recognizable?
The context of the conversations is so specific and name so many other individuals. We counted references to at least 49 other individuals, excluding those who actually spoke to Garcillano (these, too are listed in “Cast of Characters”). If the tape were faked, then it could only have been done by a group of people who had such intimate knowledge of what was going on day by day in Comelec and its field offices in Mindanao. Actually, the only one who could have probably faked it would be Garcillano himself.
There were “extraneous” conversations that had nothing to do with the voting or the count, including calls from the commissioner’s wife arranging meetings with her husband. Garcillano even called his maid Lyn, and a woman friend, who asked for a mobile-phone “load” and was always late for her appointments with the commissioner. There was even a call about the delayed delivery of congee to Garcillano, who complained that he was already very hungry. If the intent was merely to show election fraud, why bother with these “irrelevant” conversations?
Sociologist Randy David’s “ethnomethodological” approach to the conversations provide further validation. David argues that the structure of the conversations and their references to specific contexts tend to vouch for the spontaneity and authenticity of the conversations in the recording.
Independent verification confirming the authenticity of the recording was made by two internationally reputable voice experts, who identified the voices as those of the President and Garcillano by comparing the recordings and voice samples submitted to them. These experts also say the recording had not been spliced or tampered with. The problem was that these two verifications were commissioned by two oppositionists: Lacson and former senator Francisco Tatad. We checked these two agencies, however, and found that they were reputable in their countries.
Brian Lovell, whose company Uniquest Pty Limited was tapped by Lacson to examine the recording, is an associate professor at the University of Queensland, Australia and research director of the Intelligent Real-Time Imaging and Sensing Group. The Hong Kong and Australian police engage his services.
Tatad, meanwhile, had comissioned Ernst F. S. Alexanderson, president of Voice Identification Inc., a company based in New Jersey in the United States. A certified voiceprint examiner, Alexanderson, is said to have analyzed about 250 cases involving voiceprint comparison and trained about 100 law-enforcement personnel in voice identification. He is regularly tapped as a court witness in the District of Columbia, and is listed in expertpages.com, the leading Internet directory on expert witnesses and consultants.
More details about The Tapes are available in the special edition of the I Report. Check your newsstand. Downloadable PDF versions of the I Report will also soon be available on this site. But we will have to charge a modest amount for the downloads.
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gangster_roger said,
July 7, 2005 @ 6:53 pm
This must be abig operation. Who are involved and why are they doing the wiretapping? This is illegal isnt it?
Garcigwen said,
July 7, 2005 @ 7:21 pm
Our interviews with both opposition and intelligence sources confirm that Ong wasn’t aware of the existence of the wiretaps until earlier this year, when he heard about them from his driver, Lito Santiago, who happened to be a drinking buddy of ISAFP agent Vidal Doble. Apparently Doble had talked about the wiretaps in a drinking session with Santiago.
Another Scoop.
I believe the word to describe it serendepity, a word a friend of mine used to describe the origin of the tape.
noelet said,
July 7, 2005 @ 8:21 pm
Illegal ang magwiretap talaga. Me post dito tungkol dyan sa anti-wiretapping law. Pero its a bit technical.
Sa landline medjo madali magwiretap. Pero sa cellphone mahirap pero pede. Yung equipment na sinasabi ni Ong na pang wiretap ng cellphone meron daw sila. And sabi government-to-government ang pagbili ng ganyan equipment. So baket sila bumili kung bawal. Pede naman ang wiretapping kung me basbas ng korte.
Yung pagwiretap nila kay Garcilliano ay hindi authorised ng korte. so Illegal yan. pero pano naging illegal kung wala magko-complain na winiretap sila?
Ang pambihira sa garci-tapes eh wiretap information of National concern. kaya maaaring maibasura ang wiretapping law kapalit ng national concern - which is to prove that gloria has a real mandate to govern by having the wining votes last election.
floyd said,
July 7, 2005 @ 9:00 pm
PCIJ just proved in its most sublime manner the authenticity of the tapes.
mabuhay kayo!!!
mwah mwah mwah
swerty said,
July 7, 2005 @ 9:02 pm
Mister Chairman, Please issue a subpoena to these people namely, Lito Santiago, Horacio “Boy” Morales and Edgardo Ruado.
Naz said,
July 7, 2005 @ 9:11 pm
But what do you guys think abt the statement of MS.GMA awhile ago? She stated that SHE WONT BE RESIGNING HER OFFICE but ASKING THE RESIGNATION OF HER CABINET SO SHE CAN DO HER REFORMS CLEAR MINDEDLY. What do you guys think abt this? is this i a good thing?
Godbless..
username said,
July 7, 2005 @ 9:49 pm
It’s a bad thing kasi d parin sya pwedeng imbistigahan….
kawawang cabinet members d naman sila me kasalanan eh…
tsk..tsk.. tsk…
pancho said,
July 7, 2005 @ 10:53 pm
kampo ni GMA ang nag-order ng wiretap obviously. ang eengot! nabuking dahil sa isang inuman!
Chit said,
July 7, 2005 @ 10:53 pm
Gloria Said: shes working hard for the poor!
PNP/AFP : TO PROTECT THE RICH AND FAMOUS!!. FOR THE POOR?
jose roberto said,
July 7, 2005 @ 10:58 pm
huli na kasi, lumulusot pa.
sana mabasa ng karamihan ng pilipino ang mga nakasaad dito sa pcij.org para malinawagan ang mga isipan.
ipagpatuloy ang pagsasaliksik ng katotohanan.
noelet said,
July 7, 2005 @ 11:06 pm
Tingan nyo naman mga guys ha… rather than accounts herself to the ever growing question of cheating, eh ito ang sagot nya. Kahina-hinala dba?
TAONG BAYAN: Nandaya ka! Resign!
GMA: Im sorry it was a lapse in judgement.
TAONG BAYAN: Alis dyan!
DLSU: Resign!
BISHOP ROSALES: You must acount to the people.
OPPOSITION: Resign!
UP: Resign!
LEFTIST: Resign!
GMA: I did not cheat.
ALL: NANDAYA KA!
GMA: Para patunayang hindi ako nandaya ay papalitan ko ang Gabinete.
ALL: HUH?!?
And so the question remains po. Nandaya ba si GMA? Its difficult to prove kasi po wiretap ang ebidensya natin and it will not be accepted in any court. Tapos mahirap makakuha ng corroborative statement from person involved. Ika nga ni Garci himself na totong nakipagusap sya kay GMA pero hindi iyon ang kangyang sinabi na “PIPILITIN” makaabot ng 1 million ang lamang. Dinoctor lang daw yun probably ng oposisyon.
So kahit na ipa-authenticate natin ang tape at sabihin na si Gloria at Garci nga yun at walang pagdodoctor sa mga naturang tape… wala rin magagawa ang pinatatahimik na taong bayan dahil nagsisinungaling na rin lahat ng involved. Pati mga heneral.
Pag pumiyok si GMA na nandaya damay lahat ng nasa tape. Sama-sama sila. United they stand and they dont wana fall. Kaya nauwi tayo sa pagtanggal ng lahat ng gabinete.
Still without the president confirming na si Garcilliano nga ang tinawagan nya at ilan ulit at bakit sya humihiling ng 1 milyong lamang.
Pinoy OFW said,
July 8, 2005 @ 12:03 am
PATI KAYA SI BUNYE KASAMA SA MAG RERESIGN?SANA NGA!!!!
pancho said,
July 8, 2005 @ 12:05 am
tingin ko martial law na ang kasunod. desperado na e.
Bensgr8 said,
July 8, 2005 @ 3:33 am
Sa akin lang, dito sa Pinas pera-pera lang yan sa ating politics. May hakot crowd, may political favors. The oppositon got hold of such tapes because they were able to pay-off gov’t agents to sell wiretapped materials to them (done by the gov’t and with higher-ups’ blessings’) which incriminates the President. I’m sure the gov’t has incriminating evidence against the opposition likewise, but it would be illegal on their part to release these. Or, baka naman naunahan ang administration. The administration could not leak anything as the opposition may have already “purchased” said incriminating wiretapped materials against the opposition. And….there was only one tape.
habagat said,
July 8, 2005 @ 6:40 am
It is appalling to see how low the morality in the Philippines has become. Just to watch our congressman be interviewed on live TV and say that there’s nothing wrong about calling a Commissioner on Election right after election time, as what was said by Congressman Pichay. Like what Mr Ermita said when interviewed about the opposition also calling the said Commissioner,that every body is doing it. Where I am now if I call one of the interviewer just to ask how I did in the interview, and not really to ask for any favor, that would be ground for disqualification. You could call them after they have selected from the candidates and announce the appointment. In GMA’s case what could be the reason for calling Garci while the counting is going on. It may not be against the law because there is no law prohibiting such act. GMA said she called to ask Garci to protect her vote, How does a Commissioner protects a candidate’s vote? How could he possibly do that? But to make sure the lead is more than “1 M”, that is easy for an experienced operator like Garci. Whether GMA cheated or not in the last election, she lost her credebility and her moral ascendancy is the biggest issue. Even in her apology, you know that she was lying to save her skin, and to think that she is devout catholic. What had happened to the Philippines?
batong-buhay said,
July 8, 2005 @ 8:30 am
Walang ibang kalutasan sa kasalukuyang suliranin ng Pilipinas kundi ang kusang pagbibitiw ni GMA. Kahit itiwarik-tiwarik niya ang sanlibutan, wala na siyang lusot sa kaniyang malubhang pagkakasala sa sambayanang Pilipino. Ipinagkanulo niya ang kanyang tanggapan sa kagustuhang tumangang mahigpit sa kapangyarihan. Dapat niyang malaman na lahat ng bagay ay may katapusan.
AMPOG said,
July 8, 2005 @ 9:32 am
AUDIO IN AUDIO OUT! SA AUDIO NAG UMPISA ANG KONTROBERSYA BALAK DIN NILA NA DITO TAPUSIN! ANG PAGGAMIT S RADYO PARA SA “NATION ADDRESS” AY ISA NA NMANG PAGTATAGO NG KATUTUHANAN…PILIT KONG INALAM ANG KANYANG SINSERIDAD HABANG NAKADIKIT ANG TAINGA SA SPEAKER NG RADIO…ALA AKONG NAKITA…ANG MATA KASI NA SYANG SALAMIN NG KATUTUHANAN AY DI NASILAYAN…MALAMANG IKINUBLI…MAHIRAP KASING ITAGO ANG NATURAL SA TELIBISYON! MANLILINLANG…KAPATID DIN NG SINUNGALING…
cadex said,
July 8, 2005 @ 10:09 pm
isipin nyo ang logic nung wiretapped nila kay garci?bakit sa dinami dami ng taong pwede nila na iwire tapped eh siya pa?kasi siya ang kikilos sa loob ng comelec.pwede nating isipin na kasabwat ang malacanang sa pagwire tapped sa kanya at may posibilidad na may basbas ang palasyo diyan,kaya lang wala pa rin silang tiwala kaya wiretapped nila si garci.masubaybayan ang ginagawa ni garci,na baka bumaligtad si garci at magdoble kara para doble kita,pwede siyang makipagnegotiate in the middle of the canvassing sa oposisyon na iyun naman ang iniiwasan ng administrasyon.
In short posibleng inutusan ng malacanang ang ISAFP dun sa wiretapped….eh ang problema hindi si garci ang bumaligtad
ang tawag dun ay KARMA…..
jade said,
July 12, 2005 @ 10:08 pm
I was wondering why the conversations, especially the more damaging ones, are not being discussed on tv. and I mean local TV stations not just on ANC. A great majority of our people DO NOT have cable. I think a lot of people, the MASA, still have no clue as to tge gravity of the situation.
I hope someone will take the initiative to produce a special on TV that will focus mainly on the tapes and its substance.
juana said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:22 am
i like this site…. sana hindi ito mabayaran ng jueteng money ni gma.
dugong pinoy said,
July 18, 2005 @ 2:11 pm
yes there is really one tape.and as what i commented before,it was not done for the purpose of the present situation .if my memory served me right.a week after election,coc’s coming from the south were being offered to the highest bidder.and it turned out that the present administration captured the majority of this coc’s.makunat nga kasi yun kabilang kampo.tumatawad pa eh nasa endgame situation na noon ang labanan.the wiretapped conversations were leaked out for obvious reasons that those involved in that business operations felt that there is an impending threat on them.kaya lumabas itong mga tape na ito.
dugong pinoy said,
July 18, 2005 @ 2:21 pm
tapping mobile phones can only be done through a multilink system which involves gprs.not the one that is commonly known to us.it can only be done by entities who has the capability and logistics to develop it.but at present this kind of techno is not known yet to exist commercially ,much more in our country.basta pagkakaperahan,lumalabas talaga ang pagiging improvisational nating mga Pinoy.yun crude nagagawang i customize. |
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