Jesus Tomb

[chickenlipsRfun2eat]

Whaddya think?
I dont think its real. Resurection was soul
AND body.

Although There was written names in the tomb,
those names were common at those
times.
And other contriversies arouse, but
Im too lazy to bring them up.

So, just say what you think.
(should be credible)
 

[Battousai Akuma]

Yeah I saw that mess. The man really didn't have any proof for the "facts" he was spewing.  

[ZeroZenzic]

The information had been around for ages but no one had taken any notice before - because it wasn't credible.

Though it puts in perspective that kerfuffle over the ossuary of James - you remember that? People were falling over themselves to declare it true before anyone had much of a chance to look at it.  

[Gamja]

Did you guys watch the debate afterwards?

Yeah, the "proofs" the show aired were not at all convincing. Too many names with "Jesus" and "Mary" at the region where the show assumes Jesus was buried were rampant at the time. Yet the producers decided to ignore facts and tried to convince their viewers into thinking that there were real, hard-core evidence that Jesus' bones were found.  

[sunshinehearttrob]

if Jesus had never resurrented then our religion of Christianity would never be able to survive. this religion is based on the resurrection of Jesus isnt it ? if he hasnt raised up, then our god like any other isnt really alive. but He is...so I say the Son really did resurrected.  

[Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori]

MAY I point out that these could have been his bones buried AFTER he was resurrected, and AFTER his spiritual ascension?

None of you have given any real thought to the possiblity of this before condemning it as heresy, obviously.  

[bonbon56]

Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori

MAY I point out that these could have been his bones buried AFTER he was resurrected, and AFTER his spiritual ascension?

None of you have given any real thought to the possiblity of this before condemning it as heresy, obviously.

It wasn't just a spiritual ascension. He, as in his body too, rose into heaven. That is what the Bible says. So there were no bones left.  

[Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori]

bonbon56

Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori

MAY I point out that these could have been his bones buried AFTER he was resurrected, and AFTER his spiritual ascension?

None of you have given any real thought to the possiblity of this before condemning it as heresy, obviously.

It wasn't just a spiritual ascension. He, as in his body too, rose into heaven. That is what the Bible says. So there were no bones left.

Mark 16:19

19After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Luke 24:50-52

50When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. 51While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

Neither of these verses says anything either way on the physical/spiritual ascension issue. The verses people use to support a physical ascension are Acts 1:9-11.

Acts 1:9-11

9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

10They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

However, this idea of heaven being a place in the sky only works if we deal with the theory that there are three stages to the universe; a physical heaven above the earth and sky, a flat earth, and a physical hell under the earth. Obviously, this is a flawed concept; we have seen the earth from space and know it is round, negating both the idea of a flat earth and a hell underneath it, and we have heavily explored the sky and immediate space, proving there is no physical heaven above us. Therefore, if Jesus's ascension were physical, he would have no place to go to, travelling "up". The description of him going through the clouds must be metaphorical and refer to his spirit ascending some metaphysical path revealed to the disciples through the holy spirit, or not revealed but taught to them by Jesus and not recorded in any of the gospels.  

[Metanoeo]

Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori

Therefore, if Jesus's ascension were physical, he would have no place to go to, travelling "up". The description of him going through the clouds must be metaphorical and refer to his spirit ascending some metaphysical path revealed to the disciples through the holy spirit, or not revealed but taught to them by Jesus and not recorded in any of the gospels.

Thats quite of a ridiculous argument and assumption. Act 1:9 - "He was taken up" - He was speaking face to face with them, and while they beheld he was taken up; he began to ascend to heaven, and they continued to look after him till a cloud received him out of their sight - till he had ascended above the region of the clouds, by the density of which all farther distinct vision was prevented. These circumstances are very remarkable, and should be carefully noted. But is it metaphorical? There is no reason or support. Simply, you can't limit God in the physical realm.

Not recorded in any of the Gospels?

Luke 24:50-53

Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, and were continually in the temple blessing God.

Do you assume that Jesus was resurrected spiritually? If there was no physical ascension then there was no physical resurrection and scripture disproves that. (John 20:24-29)

chickenlipsRfun2eat

Whaddya think?

Tomb of Jesus is based on assumptions and "connecting the dots" skepticism. James R. White's book "From Toronto to Emmaus" is a great resource to disprove the claim. Currently, James R. White has been challenging and debating against Simcha Jacobovici and Charles Pellegrino (who promote and defend the Tomb of Jesus theory).