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Elder

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:52 pm


Yeah. I blame vague.

Not much of a topic starter, so...

What's the difference between a Pansexual and a bisexual? I'm not seeing it.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:56 pm


I thought JoVo explained it very well. A pansexual loves people. They could love anyone. Bisexuality specifies that they are attracted to females and males. Anyone could technically be pansexual as long as they are open about love.

This doesn't really effect their sexual orientation. Even if a man is heterosexual and is attracted to females, they could still find love in another a male or other person technically making them pansexual to an extent. They are still heterosexual.

A bisexual person is attracted to males and females, but not all people are male or female. Just because someone is bisexual does not mean they are attracted to people other than male or female.

A pansexual person can love any kind of person and be attracted to any kind of person.

[This is completely my own interpretation]

Nios


Nios

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:09 pm


JoVo seems to know a lot more about this than I do. He can correct me later.

I'm not pansexual. I'm transsexual but I'm only attracted to males. I prefer to think of myself as homosexual if anything, but that depends on a person's understanding of what transsexual means.

Some people could view me as a heterosexual female because my sex is female and I am attracted to males. Because my actual gender is male and I'm attracted to males I think I'm homosexual more than anything.

I wish I could say that I was pansexual because that would make it easier to find love as I could find love in anyone. Not only that but I could also be attracted to anyone.

My boyfriend is a heterosexual male who is only attracted to females. He loves me despite my transitioning. Even though he loves me neither he or I think of him as pansexual. He is heterosexual and always will be even if he is in love with a man.
I do not know if I could do the same if I fell in love with a woman but I would like to think I could because true love is rare.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:17 pm


But males and females are people, and although intersexual was recently explained to me, they still fall into the line of sexes somewhere, in my mind, allowing a bisexual to love an intersexual. And since transsexuals are also one sex, physically, and will always be one sex or another, physically, than that means if someone loves them, they are too bisexual.

The first time pansexual was explained to me, in the real world, was that pansexuals just loved a person's soul, regardless of their casing, and in that respect could love animals for their souls, since the casings didn't matter.

Having an open mind and only loving people, that is simply bisexual, to me.

So I am not spotting the difference, since you all are trying to say that pansexuals only love people... Which would make them bi.

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Elder


Nios

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:02 pm


There are people that don't identify as either sexes and there don't identify as both. Pansexual just means they can love anyone no matter what kind of confusing sexual orientation, sex, gender is in question.

A bisexual person may be comfortable with a male body or a female body but they might not be comfortable with a body other than those. It is likely though that a lot of the time bisexuality is confused with pansexuality. If someone is bisexual it is not a big difference to be pansexual.

It is all in how you feel. You can't make yourself heterosexual, homosexual, asexual, bisexual, pansexual, etc. It's just how you are.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:38 pm


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But males and females are people, and although intersexual was recently explained to me, they still fall into the line of sexes somewhere, in my mind, allowing a bisexual to love an intersexual. And since transsexuals are also one sex, physically, and will always be one sex or another, physically, than that means if someone loves them, they are too bisexual.
Some are not always one or another, Q. Some only transition partway because they feel that they are neither male nor female, but are actually a mix of the two. That's where they grey area is of what exactly they call themselves, if they want to at all, some label themselves and genderqueer, self-made androgynes and other labels. About the same time is when the term "pansexual" appeared, describing people who began not caring about the differences of male and female or the technical separations of sexual orientation.

[Q]
The first time pansexual was explained to me, in the real world, was that pansexuals just loved a person's soul, regardless of their casing, and in that respect could love animals for their souls, since the casings didn't matter.

Having an open mind and only loving people, that is simply bisexual, to me.

So I am not spotting the difference, since you all are trying to say that pansexuals only love people... Which would make them bi.
And you can live by that definition, Q. No one is going to, or can, change your mind about the current definition of terms. Bisexual, in the minds of many, has become outmoded because of the "bi-" prefix meaning only two.

Pansexuality is just trying to break the restraints of current sexual and gender-based labels. I guess taking a less romanticized and, er, spiritually based explanation would be better. Like I said above, pansexuals are saying all of the nit-picking about things like gender, the physical sex, and sexual orientation no longer matter to them and the only deciding factor is who they find themselves attracted to, not what they are.

Keithing
Crew


ItsDevonJames

Greedy Capitalist

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:44 pm


*Walks in and waves to all* Hey every one!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:51 pm


Thank you Keithing. As I've said before, I'm not very good with words.

Nios


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:03 pm


Nios
Thank you Keithing. As I've said before, I'm not very good with words.
I thought you did a very good job, actually. If you heard me in real life, you'd know I couldn't hold a conversation worth crap or even begin to talk the way I try to in writing. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:24 pm


Aye that's a problem for me too. If you think I'm bad with words when typing you'd never want to talk to me in real life. I get nervous and stutter sometimes. To me, talking in a normal conversation is like the shy kid standing in front of the class giving an oral presentation. I always try my best to pronouce things right and to not stutter but I worry about it more and I end up speaking poorly anyways. Of course what I just said was probably entirely exagerated. I tend to exagerate my flaws. sweatdrop

Nios


Keithing
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:28 pm


Nios
Aye that's a problem for me too. If you think I'm bad with words when typing you'd never want to talk to me in real life. I get nervous and stutter sometimes. To me, talking in a normal conversation is like the shy kid standing in front of the class giving an oral presentation. I always try my best to pronouce things right and to not stutter but I worry about it more and I end up speaking poorly anyways. Of course what I just said was probably entirely exagerated. I tend to exagerate my flaws. sweatdrop
If I didn't know any better, I would have thought I was typing this stuff out under another username. I am that nervous guy stuttering during an oral presentation. I had to do one in front of parents, teachers, and a few actual scientists and messed up so horribly, and kept making sounds when I messed up during my presentation. At least I was more entertaining to the audience than most of the others. Mock job interview with a teacher I was on good terms with, I started shaking because of the pressure. Oral essay in front of people I had known for almost three or more years, I started to break out in a sweat, stammered and rambled on a stool for five minutes. Think of that same kid placed in front of a school a required to MC a Remembrance day assembly. I almost collapsed everytime I had to get up to walk to the podium.

Fortunately, I developed a defense against it in normal conversation with people I don't know or barely acquainted with, because I go into a giddy mood where I say everything and anything. Not always a good thing, but an improvement from the rest of my glossophobia. From what I hear you have the same thing. Fear of speaking.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:55 am


Keithing
Pansexuality is just trying to break the restraints of current sexual and gender-based labels. I guess taking a less romanticized and, er, spiritually based explanation would be better. Like I said above, pansexuals are saying all of the nit-picking about things like gender, the physical sex, and sexual orientation no longer matter to them and the only deciding factor is who they find themselves attracted to, not what they are.


That's exactly it.

The major difference between a pansexual and a bisexual is etymological rather than ontological. "Bi" means "two," implying that one's attraction, as a bisexual, is directed at two separate and intrinsically distinguishable elements, namely male and female. "Pan" means "whole," implying a holistic attraction to the entirety of the human race. It deemphasizes the separation between the genders because it sees this separation as a fallacious construct that has become ingrained in every human culture and language over millennia of conditioning and is based upon a biological imperative that we, as humans, are capable of overcoming, that is, the inextricable longing to reproduce as much and with as many mates as possible.

Bisexuals and pansexuals, for the most part, comprise the same groups of people. The former word is just more common, and the latter more correct.

JoVo


JoVo

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:29 am


Keithing


You silly people! Speaking in front of people is fun!

Actually, I'm mortified in front of large audiences. I overcome this by ignoring my fear and using it to my advantage. In the end, I become a vibrant speaker because my way of dealing with my fear is to speak loudly, make people laugh, point people out, and move my hands a lot to clarify my point.

That, and I make outlines. Short outlines that I can expound upon forever. It freaks my group members out (during group presentations) that I can step up with a notecard and speak about the three points on the card for thirty minutes nonstop.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:33 am


JoVo
Bisexuals and pansexuals, for the most part, comprise the same groups of people. The former word is just more common, and the latter more correct.

Well, there's a least one more thing (which I think is worth noting). Those people who identify as pansexual are pretty much gaurunteed to be comfortable with concepts such as transexuality, intersexuality, and etc (and to be willing to allow themselves to be attracted to the people those concepts pertain to). With those who identify as bisexual, there is no such gauruntee.

Astri
Crew


JoVo

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:10 am


Astri
Well, there's a least one more thing (which I think is worth noting). Those people who identify as pansexual are pretty much gaurunteed to be comfortable with concepts such as transexuality, intersexuality, and etc (and to be willing to allow themselves to be attracted to the people those concepts pertain to). With those who identify as bisexual, there is no such gauruntee.


I've noticed that, too. I have a feeling that has more to do with their lack of knowledge about what gender really is, though, than their absolute lack of attraction for the intergendered varieties of human being.
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