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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:49 am







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Al Simmons a.k.a Hellspawn, of Todd McFarlane Spawn comics

Original Powers
Spawn's body is quite dense, weighing over four hundred pounds, and is composed completely of necroplasm. This gives him super strength and durability. While he still has internal organs, they are non-functional, and their damage/destruction does not hinder Spawn in the least. These organs re-appear when he magically regenerates his wounds. This may be due to Spawn's inability to let go of his human self, retaining his human organs even though he no longer requires them.

Spawn wears a living symbiotic costume, Leetha of the 7th House of K (aka: K7-Leetha). While wearing it the host assumes a dominant role over his suit. His cape, spikes, chains, and skulls are all part of a organism bonded to his central nervous system that will protect Spawn even if he is unconscious. Violator once said the suits feed on souls. This is true, as the suit is a K7 model which is one of the pureblood breeds that siphons the souls of those it kills and sends them straight to Hell to bolster Malebolgia's army. The K7 model is a stronger, more refined symbiote which makes this Spawn stronger than many that came before him and some that have come after him such as Billy Kincaid who was once bonded to the less powerful K2-Myrlu. While it is not known exactly what effect the consumption of souls has on the hellspawn's uniform it is likely that it helps the suit evolve over time. Violator was obviously upset that Spawn not only had the power to regenerate (called "The Gift") but that his suit was able to move to a higher necrostate at a completely unprecedented pace. There are nine different necro-states, during which time the suit goes into a dormant hibernation stage to mutate and evolve. When it awakens it is more powerful and if the suit evolves faster than the host's ability to control his suit then the suit will assume the dominant role.

The true source of the costume is the necroplasm in Spawn's body, which it feeds off of. It is possible for Spawn to draw this energy back when he needs it, using it to power his abilities without draining his own reserves. The costume can also feed off evil energy from the physical world, feeding off the ambient evil of people, animals (mainly carrion insects, but also wolves and bats) and even certain parts of the city.

Spawn has vast magical powers. In the issues before issue #50, Spawn had a limited power supply or "9999". Each time Spawn used his energy, the counter would drain. Because of this reason, he relied primarily on his costume's natural abilities in fights. Other than the counter, the only limit was Spawn's imagination. Though he always tried not to expend a lot of magic, he has been shown using it for a variety of effects including resurrecting the dead, firing blasts of necroplasmic energy, teleportation, shapeshifting, and curing the sick.

Spawn still retains the military training and weapons expertise from his days as a soldier and thus frequently uses guns as an alternative to his magic.


After Issue 50
Currently, Spawn's power is endless. There was even a brief period after issue #100 where Spawn was practically a god. At the time no one was able to harm him in any way. Spawn has altered his physical appearance at times, and his body is a living weapon. His suit even "matures", by morphing into different variations. The most notable changes being the "Third Age" suit, in which his power was at its highest. He is able to transform any part of his suit and/or body into whatever he sees fit for the current situation. The only human characteristics Spawn retains now are his emotion and the ability to feel pain...he does not grow tired, feel fatigue, or even need to breathe. Should Spawn be injured while in battle, his suit is the one to feel the blow, as a result, if his suit is severely injured, Spawn may be rendered helpless. Other abilities now include super speed, super strength that enables him to throw around skyscrapers, hellblasts that can topple ancient gods and said to be strong enough to burn down the gates of Heaven, matter alteration and transmutation, incredible regeneration, unbreakable chains, control over nature, and even the ability to stop time dead in its tracks. He is also able to use mental powers to subdue enemies, once cornering Jason Wynn, and "ripping" all the skin from his body. At least, that is what Jason's mind thought. Al Simmons carries on his fearless warrior attitude, having beaten sky fathers and beings seemingly far above sky fathers, never letting an opponents scope or power intimidate him.


Greenworld
Spawn has also been granted the powers of the "Greenworld". While these powers are not directly described, they appear to give Spawn control over all the elements and other aspects of the natural world. Spawn was first endowed with this gift during his battle with "The Heap". He was swallowed by the Earth and introduced to the 3rd party in the war of Heaven and Hell, the Greenworld. It was explained to him that the Greenworld did not care for the war of Heaven and Hell, but were growing increasingly agitated by the destruction brought about. They inflicted on him the pains of the Earth, and when he returned Spawn became "aware" of the world. Spawn did not utilize his powers however, other than listening to the Earth, until he was impaled on a Holy Spear by the dark god Urizen (named after the tyrannical creator-figure in the personal mythology of Romantic poet?artist William Blake). Urizen was wreaking havoc on the world, and the Greenworld imbued him with a "gift" which, after recovering thanks to "Angela", Spawn uses to contain Urizen. Spawn splits the ground open and imprisons Urizen within the Earth.


Other Powers
Spawn has an ability to "feel" or "sense" misery, pain and hatred as a gift/punishment given to him by The Keeper, an agent of the Emerald Parliament of Greenworld. He is aware, even subconsciously when someone is attacked or murdered because he has gained a further affinity with the creatures of the night and shadows and through them experiences the anguish of all mankind. Spawn typically travels in the shadows, even "flying" on occasion. He is often described as notoriously difficult to spot, often only caught out of the corner of one's eye as just a streak of red (his cape). Spawn can also transform into a swarm of bats and transports from place to place. He has done this on several occaisions. Recently, Spawn has shown that he contains an unknown number of lost souls who can share his Hellspawn abilities that are collectively known as The Legion. Detective Twich theorized that the souls that Spawn carries are those that died during the same hour that Al Simmons was killed, and that there could be as many as 6,000 souls within him. It seem that the power from these souls is the reason Spawn was uncontrolable by Malebolgia, and often referred to as "The One". With the help of a young Spawn (Christopher) he is able to summon them to aid him in his quest to stop Armageddon.


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Dark Schneider of b*****d!!

Dark Schneider is the most powerful sorcerer in the world, which he almost completely took over before being imprisoned in the body of a little boy by Grand (or Great) Priest Geo. Rushe is soft spoken and had a crush on Yoko, which carried over to Dark Schneider. Rushe and Dark Schneider share the same soul, which means they love what each other loves, but that is where it ends: Dark Schneider can be incredibly evil, heartless and lecherous, whereas Rushe is faithful, quiet and friendly. Dark Schneider is immortal (though whether this is conferred upon Rushe is unclear) -- he can resurrect himself through will-power alone. In the English version, he is also called the Mage of Fire, and, in the Japanese, The Exploder Wizard. Whenever Rushe is kissed by Yoko, Dark Schneider is released, and when Dark Schneider is kissed, Rushe is released, and so on, though Dark Schneider can break the seal himself when extremely angry, and he can control Lushe's body at certain times of night (re-gaining his powers for a while in the process).

Techniques/Powers:
Damned:
A basic spell. He killed cannon fodder and destroyed a 20 ft steel door with it.

Anthem:
Magic missiles. Said to have PERFECT accuracy. Otherwise, not very strong.

Sodom:
A mid-level piercing spell. He used this after the failure of Anthem and Guns and Roses toward a Dogezaemon. Slayed the beast immediately.

Mace:
A dispel type magic. Able to ward off other magical seals and such.

Guns and Roses:
A mid to high level (depending on user) fire attack. Its fire can reach the melting point of rock.

Hellion:
A much hotter spell than Guns and Roses. Was used by Efreet.

Venom:
From the realm of shadow destructive enzymes are summoned to attack the opponent. They disrupt the cell growth and disintegrate the cells to dust. Inside the sphere of the spell all life forms are destroyed or killed by the heat.

Exodus:
This spell opens the gates to the magic kingdoms Abadon and Gehenna. With the rising flames the mage turns into a fireball. His temperature of 20,000 degree Celsius evaporates stone and dissolves all life into its molecules.

Megadeth:
A high-level lightning spell. Darshu destroys Gara's fortress with this move (while they all were in it. That's Gara, his men of 2,000, the Princess and Yoko). This was done while depleted of all energy.

Riot:
A mid to high-level attack. Great range that affects the nervous system on contact. Also works as a regular blast.

Interiperi:
This spell creates small, magical bombs (approx. 10 bombs) with the destructiveness of grenades.

Accused:
Capable of casting any form of dark/evil curse upon the victim. Most notorious for turning the victim into a frog upon breaking of the oath by the caster.

Raven:
Flight Magic.

Daf Ray-Burn:
A subspace warp that sucks all magical energy within the circumference of the ball.

Brag-Za-Hars:
Darshu second strongest attack. It was used on a Cyclops made directly from the God of Destruction Anthrax herself. The Clops was nigh indestructible and capable of regenerating from close to nothing. This spell was capable of killing it (while leaving a 10 mile long crater in the ground)

Helloween:
Darshu ultimate spell. It is a forbidden spell forgotten since the Ancient days. This spells destructive power is still unknown, but it easily speculated as vastly superior to the destructive power of Brag-Za-Hars.

Black Sabbath:
A forbidden spell that creates a nuclear explosion. At its peak the spell generates a heat of 12 million degree Celsius. All regenerative powers fail. A terrible High Class spell which isn't listed in the High Ancient. It could destroy the world and is therefore forbidden.

Gear:
Weapon - Fire Sword (Efreet soul)

-Holds the 7 pieces of the Judas Pain in him which is essentially reality itself. He can't be willed out of existence, sent to another dimension and imprisoned, or go back in time to kill him. It also eats at his soul, but he waves off most the effects except memory loss, meaning no psychic power in the universe can mind control or mind rape him.

-Has the highest level spells of every magic type but white.

-Even before obtaining the Judas Pain, or unlocking his half demon powers gained from his physical body, which is the reincarnation of Lucifer himself, DS: Broke out of Hell, melting the lake of Cocytus (a lake eternally frozen, one could say it was of cosmic origins) with a basic level fire spell, and destroying one of Hell's continents on the way out.

-A battle DS had with a high level archangel was simply insane. The two entities were attacking physically (punches, kicks, etc) at many times the speed of light (each attack more than enough to split the Earth in half), while casting high level spells without invocations or motions (many spells more than powerful enough to destroy a Galaxy) at IIRC three times their physical attack speed (triple cast). DS's thinking is also many times the speed of light, as each of his shields have alterable properties, such as being able to nullify one element or type of attack at DS's whim IIRC. Both opponents were doing this to counter one another's spells as much as possible.

(My edit: This may follow the "power by association" rule. It's likely that the highest a spell is capable of destroying THUS FAR is a solar system. Truthfully, I don't know)

-Another note on the shield is that they can all take an atomic level blast constantly focused on one point of the shield for over an hour before breaking. They can also be broken by gathering the raw mystic powers of the universe (the basis of magic. it's a force which permeates everything, and could be thought of as the forces of creation/destruction) into physical attacks.

-DS (and most of the high level archangels and demons) can gather the raw mystic power in the universe into physical attacks, making them more than just physical, and into a pure destructive force which can't be nullified by any barrier (including DS's own).

-DS also sealed a powerful Demon who held a piece if the Judas Pain in a dimension that was worse than Hell. It was nigh inescapable and is a constant drain on the willpower and energy of its inhabitants, and DS simply kept the demon in there for eons in order to weaken him enough to take the Judas Pain away from him.

-DS annihilated a powerful archangel while missing everything from his shoulders down, besides his left arm.

Here's some stat on his powers that were nicely corrected by another person

Has 200+ instantly regenerating shields that can each more than hold out against an atomic blast each and even if the attack is greater, one shield will absorb the entire shock no matter how powerful.

^ This is called Dispell Bound. Amount of shields wasn?t stated in the manga but depending on the power of the devil/angel the shields are pretty much uncountable and provide all kinds of protection, such as agains light attacks, fire attacks, against anti-magic spells, assimilation spells and so on. As for the strength ? the can indeed hold up against an atomic blast but not much more.

-Can instantly regenerate as long as his eternal atom is attacked so the only way to beat him would be to destroy all 200 some odd shields and attack him with enough staying power to blast every atom into nothingness, however....

^ except for the number of shields,which is uncertain, TRUE. To explain how it works: In case two beings with Dispell Bound ability collide, they have to destroy their eternal atoms, the core of their soul that keeps their existence in reality, to completely wipe out each other. Otherwise they can regenerate as often they wish. However, if a devils or angels eternal atoms are damaged while they are on earth they still can regenerate, while when a devil dies in Hell he stays dead and an Angel stays dead when his eternal atoms are destroyed in Heaven. To reach the eternal atoms they have to destroy the Spell Bound. This is done by re-writing the magical code of every shield the Spell Bound casts. Depending on the power, DS and Uriel may have Billions of shields and every single one has to be re-written in order to overcome it and to get closer to the eternal atoms. This is happening with hundrets of times the speed of light because while re-writing the shields of the opponent, the attacker is repairing his own shields. So, this battle is decided by uber-dimensional speeds and powers to overcome the repair-speed of the opponent and strike the eternal atoms.

-Can move at speeds much faster than light

^ as explained by me above. Fact TRUE. But his limits are probably up to 500-1000 times the speed of light but no exaggerated s**t like Trillions or more. That was never stated anywhere so far. Rafael only explained that Uriel and DS where colliding several hundred times the speed of light.

(My edit: There was alittle discrepency to how fast Darshu moves on another forum I frequent. A German translation of this conversation stated speed sound as their movement. We've later got confirmation that it never stated that in the original, but also didn't mention light in a sense of speed. Thus far, the conclusion is that they move at an UNMEASURABLE SPEED that cannot even be seen by a high-class archangel. Also note that the speeds are still blinding as he's overriding Uriel's shields that regenerate at Uriel's speed WHILE repairing his own)

-Can will himself back from nothingness as he is the Dark Adam and ONLY another Adam can kill him permanently

^ PARTIALLY TRUE. DS can theoretically be killed by anyone who manages to overcome the repair-speed of his Dispell Bound. But so far no one who can do that exists. Even Satan can?t do it. And since Satan couldn?t beat God and vice versa, I doubt God could do it either. Right now, that is, for both of them. Satan is a clever guy, he probably knows how to find ways to kill DS but right now it is not possible. Only a being with the counterpart abilities to DS, the Adam of Darkness, can kill DS permanently. And that is the Adam of Light. Who ever that will be. But yes, even if he is turned into nothingness, as long as only one of his eternal atoms exist, DS can will himself back from ?nothingness?.

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-Has an innumerable amount of shields (labeled at 200+ on a weaker opponent a while back in the series) surrounding his body, all of which can take an atomic blast each, and all of which will absorb the full damage of an attack before breaking.

-Stronger than an archangel who could destroy stars and star systems by casually flying past them.

(My edit: This is that "power by association" I was talking about)

Another user adds...

From what I know, manga Dark Schneider at his height is someone who's fought and defeated the fallen angel Uriel who was powerful enough to destroy the barrier between Earth and Hell in his weaker form, absorbed an attack from Archangel Michael's firesword while he was just a head, was feared by the seven devil princes and said to perhaps be powerful enough to destroy both Heaven and Hell.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:37 am


How fast is Spawn? For Lucifer, he's at least lightspeed in both speed and thought. Spawn is quite the beast, but with his opponent a beast himself, he must be quick if he doesn't want to get bombarded.

And is Spawn immune to reality altering or being sent to another dimension?

Izayoi Kyoya


Universal Law

Anxious Bloodsucker

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:34 am


Izayoi Kyoya
How fast is Spawn? For Lucifer, he's at least lightspeed in both speed and thought. Spawn is quite the beast, but with his opponent a beast himself, he must be quick if he doesn't want to get bombarded.

And is Spawn immune to reality altering or being sent to another dimension?


I know he can traverse the Hell and Heaven Dimensions with his magic wich is only limited by his imageination so I'd say yea. Also Spawn would't have to be that fast seeing how as he can stop time and their is nothing that can phisically hurt him anymore. I can't give you an exact speed yet but I do think Darshu is faster. I dont think a bombardment even from DS would do much more than piss him offf with no serious phisical damage .
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:40 pm


Interesting fight. With both of their abilities of regeneration adn the like, I'd have to call this one a tie with neither one being able to kill the other off.

Akuki


Izayoi Kyoya

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:16 pm


Enigma Master Andrew
Izayoi Kyoya
How fast is Spawn? For Lucifer, he's at least lightspeed in both speed and thought. Spawn is quite the beast, but with his opponent a beast himself, he must be quick if he doesn't want to get bombarded.

And is Spawn immune to reality altering or being sent to another dimension?


I know he can traverse the Hell and Heaven Dimensions with his magic wich is only limited by his imageination so I'd say yea. Also Spawn would't have to be that fast seeing how as he can stop time and their is nothing that can phisically hurt him anymore. I can't give you an exact speed yet but I do think Darshu is faster. I dont think a bombardment even from DS would do much more than piss him offf with no serious phisical damage .


Well, time stop doesn't work on Lucifer, so that would pretty much kill it for Spawn. And I think you're underestimating Lucifer's damage output. He has magic that's destroyed Archangel's with ease. Demon lords have also been smacked around by him.

Oh and when I was talking about dimension, I meant "What about a dimension worse than Hell?"

He's done that already to a demon lord and even he couldn't get out.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:22 pm


Izayoi Kyoya
Enigma Master Andrew
Izayoi Kyoya
How fast is Spawn? For Lucifer, he's at least lightspeed in both speed and thought. Spawn is quite the beast, but with his opponent a beast himself, he must be quick if he doesn't want to get bombarded.

And is Spawn immune to reality altering or being sent to another dimension?


I know he can traverse the Hell and Heaven Dimensions with his magic wich is only limited by his imageination so I'd say yea. Also Spawn would't have to be that fast seeing how as he can stop time and their is nothing that can phisically hurt him anymore. I can't give you an exact speed yet but I do think Darshu is faster. I dont think a bombardment even from DS would do much more than piss him offf with no serious phisical damage .


Well, time stop doesn't work on Lucifer, so that would pretty much kill it for Spawn. And I think you're underestimating Lucifer's damage output. He has magic that's destroyed Archangel's with ease. Demon lords have also been smacked around by him.

Oh and when I was talking about dimension, I meant "What about a dimension worse than Hell?"

He's done that already to a demon lord and even he couldn't get out.



I think your underestimating Spawn he has killed a couple of Uber powerful Archangels himself barely even paying attention. I've seen nothing that leads me to believe that Darshu can escape time being stopped. This is not a Demon Lord this is Spawn the king of hell and in any Dimension worst than hell he would just go their rule a** and take over again and hes still becomeing more powerful. Spawn's power is limitless and he can do anything! in his imagination Darshu sending him their would only be a minor irritation.

Universal Law

Anxious Bloodsucker


Izayoi Kyoya

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:36 pm


How the hell am I underestimating Spawn? I never once said "Spawn wouldn't even be noticed by Lucifer" like you said for Lucifer to Spawn. I'm asking questions and trying to evaluate further. You're already at a decision. It makes me wonder why you make this thread if you know the outcome already.

And Lucifer CAN avoid time stop. It is apart of his dispell bound, you know.

Spawn doesn't have to be a Demon King... doesn't change the fact that if he CANNOT avoid being sent to another dimension, he'd not avoid Lucifer sending him to another dimension.

And I'm sorry, but you're overhyping Spawn. Please be reasonable when you're supporting a character. If his power was limitless, he'd be God. Last I check, he's not.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:33 pm


Yea yea yea. Can I help it If I dont know these things? I havent seen or read b*****d! All I know is from v threads and write ups. You guys are going to have to elaborate more. And I've been really patient seeing how as I've never personally seen any of these things You guys say he can do. I'm not overpowering Spawn.. I'm just telling you the way his powers where described AS LIMITLESS! For the record God is afraid of Spawn..

Universal Law

Anxious Bloodsucker


Izayoi Kyoya

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:26 pm


I'll post a few things up soon. That is, if you don't mind some non-translated scans...
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:37 pm


Here's some of the spells up unto the 8th volume

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/Unfinishedcombo/Temp/spellbook.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/Unfinishedcombo/Temp/spellbook2.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/Unfinishedcombo/Temp/spellbook3.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/Unfinishedcombo/Temp/spellbook4.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/Unfinishedcombo/Temp/spellbook5.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/Unfinishedcombo/Temp/spellbook6.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/Unfinishedcombo/Temp/spellbook7.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/Unfinishedcombo/Temp/spellbook8.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/Unfinishedcombo/Temp/spellbook9.jpg

http://images.cpixel.com/piczir/d/DarkAeon/301209/darkaeonrpvupi.jpg - Doing a DBZ

http://images.cpixel.com/piczir/d/DarkAeon/301209/darkaeonandyuy.jpg - Showing complete mastery of hellowing

http://images.cpixel.com/piczir/d/DarkAeon/301209/darkaeonytnvjc.jpg - Taken hits from Konron, a demon that can hit with the force of a nuclear bomb (and they can jokingly through 1000 punches in seconds)

http://images.cpixel.com/piczir/d/DarkAeon/301209/darkaeonrajgnl.jpg - DS laughing it up as a head

http://images.cpixel.com/piczir/d/DarkAeon/301209/darkaeonpmrobj.jpg - DS pwning Konron, the demon that previously pwned him before DS went majin.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8163/0001eng3km.jpg - Dispell Bound (Note: german translation)

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8199/00023pr.jpg - Dispell Bound #2

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