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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:57 pm
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:02 pm
Well since Alucard has experience with mental powers and has great mental powers of his own it's debatable whether Aizen's illusion power would work on him, and if it didn't I don't really see any way for Aizen to hurt him.
So I would give this to Alucard 6/10.
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:12 pm
DasUberGuy Well since Alucard has experience with mental powers and has great mental powers of his own it's debatable whether Aizen's illusion power would work on him, and if it didn't I don't really see any way for Aizen to hurt him. So I would give this to Alucard 6/10. Well you also have to keep in mind that Alucard is an undead and that as a shinigami Aizen specializes in destroying undead. Also you should keep in mind Aizens ability to repel attacks, Ex. stopping Ichigo's bankai with his index finger. therefore I'm not sure what Alucard could do to hurt him.
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:26 pm
Yes but Alucard has taken attacks designed to kill undead before and they have done nothing to him.
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:04 am
Aizen loses for sheer lack of any feats of power and Alucard wins for his blatant Omnipotence. Anime Alucard has been shown as sevral times weaker then Manga Alucard, so its safe to assume that anything Anime Alucard has done, Manga Alucard can do better. Anime Alucard took down an Avatar of Set fused with a true vampire, which is akin to fighting a Demi-god. Also, yes Shinigami are used to fighting undead, except they are used to fighting entities that are just ONE soul. Alucard contains hundreds of thousands of souls in his body, making him a new element. Also, seeing as Hollows and Shinigami are nothing more then variants to a Human being, while Alucard is a completely different type of creature, there is no evidence that Aizen's Shikai would even work on him and if it did, his own psyhic prowess would be more then enough to repel that of the blade.
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:01 pm
Okay lets go through what we do know about Aizen: 1. He is a shinigami and hundreds of years old so both of them have about equal battle experience. 2. He isn't an unholy creature so the special types of bullets wouldn't affect him. He has a spirit pressure that can flatten other lesser creatures, therefore meaning that all the little spirits alucard conjures up would be rendered useless. -Also in bleach there are plenty of spirit binding spells, so since Aizen has access to all the highest level ones he should be able to use one sufficienty powerful to bind Alucard. After all if a human in the hellsing family can do it I would argue that as the most powerful spellcaster in bleach he should be able to bind Alucard -Finally he is almost impossible to hurt since he can stop punches by creatures the size of skyscrapers with his bare hands, and he also stopped fully upgraded bankai soulslayers with his bare hands, so the bullets would probably just bounce off.
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:29 pm
Sir, you are an idiot. Aizen is a ghost you twit, meaning bullets would go through him. And any binding spells the Shinigami know are designed to combat single Spiritual entities, not a multiple souled entity manipulated by one consciousness. And since Shinigami and Hollows are just souls, what prevents Alucard from just devouring them?
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:19 am
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:27 pm
Geez, you know very little. You are giving Aizen abilities that he does NOT have. You can not bring in any Viazard or Bankai abilities, because to date, he has yet to show them, this all just speculation on your part. Menos Grande are NOT multi-souled beings. They are multiple Hollows fusing to create one creature, there is a signifgant difference. The "teleportation" technique is not teleportation, it is brief bursts of fast movement, so the entire "dropping him over the ocean" would not work. Even if he managed that, there is nothing preventing Alucard from teleporting away. The ghoul army's can not be brought into this because only Integra can unlock it. And on anything hurting Alucard, he allows it to occur. He could easily dodge or teleport away from any attack used against him, but he likes using the lement of suprise to regen and then catch his opponents off guard. I ask once more, seeing as Shinigami and Hollows are nothing but souls, what prevents Alucard from simply devouring Aizen?
Also, Chad was able to harm that Hollow with a telephone pole because he was subconciously channeling his spiritual energy into it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:35 pm
Mr.Mxyzptlk Geez, you know very little. You are giving Aizen abilities that he does NOT have. You can not bring in any Viazard or Bankai abilities, because to date, he has yet to show them, this all just speculation on your part. Menos Grande are NOT multi-souled beings. They are multiple Hollows fusing to create one creature, there is a signifgant difference. The "teleportation" technique is not teleportation, it is brief bursts of fast movement, so the entire "dropping him over the ocean" would not work. Even if he managed that, there is nothing preventing Alucard from teleporting away. The ghoul army's can not be brought into this because only Integra can unlock it. And on anything hurting Alucard, he allows it to occur. He could easily dodge or teleport away from any attack used against him, but he likes using the lement of suprise to regen and then catch his opponents off guard. I ask once more, seeing as Shinigami and Hollows are nothing but souls, what prevents Alucard from simply devouring Aizen?
Also, Chad was able to harm that Hollow with a telephone pole because he was subconciously channeling his spiritual energy into it. you are not thinking of the right technique. I am refering to the technique which a white cloth surrounds them in a whirlwind and then teleports them to another location. I am fully aware of the fact that the step movement utilized by Byakuya and other powerful shinigami is not teleportation. Secondly I have read the entire manga of Hellsing up to about ch. 73 and I have never seen Alucard display any teleportation abilities.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:40 pm
But as to your point on the waiting for abilities to be demonstrated in the actual manga, in that case I suggest we call a truce to the discussion for a time being and then revive it later once we actually get to see Aizen's true powers in action, because in both the anime and manga he hasn't really fought an opponent at anywhere near his full power.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:01 pm
I can pull out all my volumes right now and reference teleportation.
- Volume 2, Order 6, Balance of Power part 2: Integra and Walter head to Art Museum alone. Shortly after Enrico insults Integra, Alucard appears seemingly out of thin air behind his Master.
-Volume 3, Order 3, Elevator Action Part 2: After the Brazil SWAT team had busted into the suite, they found the entire place empty, shortly stumbling on Alucard's coffin. As soon as they go to touch it Alucard appears seemingly out of Nowhere.
-Volume 4, Order 1, Elevator Action part 6: While fighting Alhambra Tublacain, who like a normal vampire with superhuman sensory abilties, his two decoys along with him self appeared suddenly in three different positions around Alhambra, catching him completely off guard each time.
-Volume 5, Order 3, D part 5: While Integra and Walter are discussing options to get Alucard onto the HMS Eagle, Alucard rises up from Integra's shadow, appearing from nowhere.
-Volume 5, Order 5, D part 7: In the three panels on the last page of this Order, the last two are the exact same portion of damaged deck of the HMS Eagle. In the second it is bare of nothing but smoke, shrapnel and debris. In the next panel Alucard's boots are seen where they had not been.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:12 pm
Mr.Mxyzptlk I can pull out all my volumes right now and reference teleportation.
- Volume 2, Order 6, Balance of Power part 2: Integra and Walter head to Art Museum alone. Shortly after Enrico insults Integra, Alucard appears seemingly out of thin air behind his Master.
-Volume 3, Order 3, Elevator Action Part 2: After the Brazil SWAT team had busted into the suite, they found the entire place empty, shortly stumbling on Alucard's coffin. As soon as they go to touch it Alucard appears seemingly out of Nowhere.
-Volume 4, Order 1, Elevator Action part 6: While fighting Alhambra Tublacain, who like a normal vampire with superhuman sensory abilties, his two decoys along with him self appeared suddenly in three different positions around Alhambra, catching him completely off guard each time.
-Volume 5, Order 3, D part 5: While Integra and Walter are discussing options to get Alucard onto the HMS Eagle, Alucard rises up from Integra's shadow, appearing from nowhere.
-Volume 5, Order 5, D part 7: In the three panels on the last page of this Order, the last two are the exact same portion of damaged deck of the HMS Eagle. In the second it is bare of nothing but smoke, shrapnel and debris. In the next panel Alucard's boots are seen where they had not been.
For the first three examples you cite I wold argue that he was simply utilizing rapid movement, much like the split step you mentioned earlier, right now I need to go look up those other examples you cite. By the way you still haven't said what sort of attacks Alucard has that would be able to hurt Aizen. I have really been enjoying this debate, its nice to have someone who will give facts behind their argument. I guess I'll be in this guild pretty often.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:51 pm
Unlike Bleach, Hellsing is more...how would I put it....Mature. Its characters don't have names for their attacks like younger demographic manga. Alucard would most likely use his taloned, indestructible hands to tear Aizen to pieces, if not just become an amorphous blob and devour Aizen.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:12 pm
Just a note: Being 'more mature' is not an excuse for someone to win a fight. You gave another reason that was an actual reason, so I'm going to allow it, but still.
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