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 Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:17 pm
This is going here because I am sure this will get pretty heated.
If you would like to explain why you think Tameran Wicca should or shouldn't change its name, or disagree on what I stickied in the main forum it goes in here.
And please for the love of the gods read the whole thread and consider what is being said before posting anything.
Stickied in the hope that we don't get multiple threads discussing the same thing.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:42 pm
I'm just wondering what's so bad about Tameran Wicca that this thread was even made. I've honestly never heard these claims before.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:06 pm
die konyn I'm just wondering what's so bad about Tameran Wicca that this thread was even made. I've honestly never heard these claims before. Its not that its bad. Its the title that I call into question. Wicca is a very specific religion with specific practices. If you read over the "Use of the word 'Wicca'" thread in the main forum I posted a quick overview of what Wicca is. I have read Circle of Isis by Ellen Cannon Reed and I have no problem with the religion. Just the title. Most people think that Wicca=witchcraft which isn't the case.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:45 pm
I do know that Ellen Cannon Reed was an initiate, so clearly she did bring some aspects of that into her tradition. However I was never quite sure how she incorporated the two together. While overall I liked the book, one of the big issues that I had with "Circle of Isis" (and I really thought I'd actually written a review somewhere, but can't seem to find it), is that it talked a lot about Egyptian lore and deities (yay), but now how one would actually practice. I just don't see how one can keep things like the "wheel of the year" and throw Egyptian deities into that, when they have their own celebrations and rituals. I have to wonder if it was her that called it Tameran "Wicca", or if that's something that Llewellyn came up with just to sell more books.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:55 pm
If I remember correctly I don't think she ever said anything about the Wheel of the Year. It is possible that Llewellyn put it in there because I think the only thing that was taken from Wicca was the circle and she called her group a coven.
Edit: Playing Devil's advocate. The only way I can see the Wheel of the Year working is through a soft poly view of the gods and that Aset is the goddess and that Heru and Asar are the god depending on the Sabbat. I think Ra would work too but that's trying to shoehorn them in since Asar isn't resurrected every year and Ra isn't Aset's wife but is seen as being reborn every day.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:38 pm
too2sweet I do know that Ellen Cannon Reed was an initiate, so clearly she did bring some aspects of that into her tradition. I didn't think she was Wiccan. In "Heart of Wicca" she said her coven didn't have lineage and her wiki page says she was an initiate of Isian Trad.
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:10 pm
Sanguina Cruenta too2sweet I do know that Ellen Cannon Reed was an initiate, so clearly she did bring some aspects of that into her tradition. I didn't think she was Wiccan. In "Heart of Wicca" she said her coven didn't have lineage and her wiki page says she was an initiate of Isian Trad. Weird - I've heard her referred to as an initiate on A&J. If her coven wasn't passing the Trad though, that could be what she meant. Or maybe I'm crazy!!! (that's a complete possibility blaugh )
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:13 pm
too2sweet Sanguina Cruenta too2sweet I do know that Ellen Cannon Reed was an initiate, so clearly she did bring some aspects of that into her tradition. I didn't think she was Wiccan. In "Heart of Wicca" she said her coven didn't have lineage and her wiki page says she was an initiate of Isian Trad. Weird - I've heard her referred to as an initiate on A&J. If her coven wasn't passing the Trad though, that could be what she meant. Or maybe I'm crazy!!! (that's a complete possibility blaugh ) Nope - she was talking about how tradition made Wicca, even if it was totally new made up tradition, and described how her trad had been developed recently or whatever without ties or lineage to any other trad. I was really confused by that when I was reading it. Maybe she was initiated into a Wiccan coven after that point.
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:43 pm
Sanguina Cruenta too2sweet Sanguina Cruenta too2sweet I do know that Ellen Cannon Reed was an initiate, so clearly she did bring some aspects of that into her tradition. I didn't think she was Wiccan. In "Heart of Wicca" she said her coven didn't have lineage and her wiki page says she was an initiate of Isian Trad. Weird - I've heard her referred to as an initiate on A&J. If her coven wasn't passing the Trad though, that could be what she meant. Or maybe I'm crazy!!! (that's a complete possibility blaugh ) Nope - she was talking about how tradition made Wicca, even if it was totally new made up tradition, and described how her trad had been developed recently or whatever without ties or lineage to any other trad. I was really confused by that when I was reading it. Maybe she was initiated into a Wiccan coven after that point. Nope... I'm the crazy one. I was mis-remembering the post. Except of course that Ellen Cannon Reed is not and never has been BTW. She was
a lovely and wonderful Isian HPS, however, but I would call the Isian Traditions
an ATW (American Traditional Wicca) rather than a branch of BTW, because they
were founded whole cloth in the United States from Eclectic and Golden
Dawn-influenced origins.Sorry about that. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:56 pm
too2sweet Nope... I'm the crazy one. I was mis-remembering the post. Except of course that Ellen Cannon Reed is not and never has been BTW. She was
a lovely and wonderful Isian HPS, however, but I would call the Isian Traditions
an ATW (American Traditional Wicca) rather than a branch of BTW, because they
were founded whole cloth in the United States from Eclectic and Golden
Dawn-influenced origins.Sorry about that. sweatdrop Is cool, glad we got it ironed out 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:13 pm
She does seem to be held in fairly high regard by those on the list though, so that's good to know.
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