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Cyberpunk Hero

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:59 pm
I do have an argument. It's that your argument is terrible and stupid, for the reasons I previously mentioned.  
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:08 pm
Ananel
One, we rarely take verses 26-27 in context with the rest of the passage. The lusts spoken of are the result of godlessness and the refusal of the gospel of God. The godless ones are described as being given over to their passions. This loss of control is key and important to the Greeks and Romans Paul is writing to, and was considered a very bad thing. It is important to realize that the passage is not centered on homosexual relations, no matter how you interpret it.


Yeah. 26-27 are, though. They are the result of God's sadness and subsequent handing over of the people to these things. Basically, they were idolatrous, and now they're more perverted and committing these acts.

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Two, the relationships are referred to as being unnatural. The term pushin is the Greek word for natural and refers, in general, to that which is according either to socially accepted morals or to one’s innate nature.


Excepting that pushin is not a Greek word.

The Roman transliterations you're looking for are phusis or phusikos, render those as native disposition and I must demand that you tell me why. Like you said, these people have turned away from the knowledge of God's way, so Paul would be speaking with what he thinks is God's right way. Given Paul's pharisaic tendencies, I should think that Paul thinks that there is only one sexual disposition to think of, no?

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The society Paul is writing to, both Roman and Greek, considered homosexual relationships to be quite natural.


Surely, men even married men.

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What would have been considered unnatural to the Romans would specifically have been something where a citizen was ‘on bottom.’ Such a position degrades the citizen’s status and was considered to be a horrible thing.


Unfortunately for you, we're not talking about what was degrading for the Romans, but what is degrading to Paul and God.

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Three, the shameful lusts that are spoken of are not specifically described.


Tis unfortunate. But, when Paul speaks of "the natural sexual use," I think that he would've thought only one act to be appropriate and natural, and anything else shameful.

Another thing, they lusted for the same sex, the lusts were homosexual. And when such a word as atimia is used to describe things so subjectively, it means comparatively indignified, or even vile, and thus I'd call these homosexual lusts vile compared to lusts normally seen in relations.

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Unlike Leviticus, where they are listed, the passage assumes that its audience knows what is being spoken of. While Paul is a born and trained Jew, familiar with the ceremonial law, he is preaching to newly converted Christians in Rome and Greece. These people, though somewhat familiar with Jewish beliefs, could not have been considered familiar enough to assume that “shameful lusts” meant what is said in Leviticus.


Right, but they could assume that a man such as Paul probably has only one thing in mind when speaking of "the natural sexual use."

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Paul is not a man to leave explanations unclear. When necessary, he goes into great detail and repetition to make his point absolutely clear and understood.


This is true, but then again, Paul isn't speaking specifically on these things (so he wouldn't necessarily have elaborated), rather on the fact of idolatry and our inability to judge.

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Therefore, by context it seems he is speaking to the Roman’s understanding of shameful,


More like, he's using his understanding because the people he is speaking on have lost the knowledge of God.

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the subjugation of a citizen for example. Further, pathos (lusts) does not necessitate a sexual connotation.


But chresis does.

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Four, the fact that we have women doing things with women instead of men and that we have men doing things with men instead of women is clear from what Paul says in verses 26-27. However, Paul does not at any point say what is being done.


Anything that is a perversion from what he thinks is "the natural sexual use." That is a lot of things...mind you.

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He lacks the clarity of Leviticus.


Right, but what he lists is exclusive, anything that isn't the natural sexual use is condemned.

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Any number of things could be occurring, and without a clear indication that the text is specifically speaking of homosexual sex acts on any level we are familiar with today


Any number of things that are outside the natural sexual use according to Paul.


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we cannot claim that Romans 1 clearly declares that the ceremonial law still applies in this case.


Well, I'm not personally declaring that.  

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IcarusDream

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:45 pm
I'm gonna add now that to the redactors of the Gen 19 story, homosexual sex was a grave sin and thus the homosexual nature of Sodom's townsmen's pursuits greatly increased the outcry that reached God.

That is, the homosexual nature of the townsmen's pursuits was indeed a part of the reason that Sodom was burned.  
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:18 pm
Emikay
Homosexual interactions are sexual acts done out of lust, which is undoubtably, a sin.


Explain to me how this is true?
It feels like you're saying there isn't any true love or affection in a homosexual relationship and that it's all about lust and physical attraction.
There can be as much love in a homosexual relationship as any other.

And a good deal of heterosexual interactions are fueled by lust, so this argument doesn't really fly.  

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Metanoeo

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:36 pm
Cyberpunk Hero
I do have an argument. It's that your argument is terrible and stupid, for the reasons I previously mentioned.

Your arguments from I been search in previous pages rely on the idea that the Old Testament Laws are completely useless because its been surpassed by the Law of Agape. Do you truly understand or know the Law of Agape and the Law?

Galatians 5:13-14
For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another. But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

"You shall love your neighbor as yourself." this commandment fulfills the law for love does no wrong, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Apostle Paul then says, "walk by the Spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." Continuing, "if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." Not only delivered from the law in fact, but in their own apprehensions; they have the comfortable knowledge and experience of it; the law is no terrifying law to them; it works no wrath in them; they are delivered from the spirit of bondage to fear, by the Spirit of God, by whom they are led; nor are they under it, nor do they need it as a pressing forcing law to duty; they delight in it, and cheerfully serve it, being constrained by love, and not awed by fear.

Matthew 5:17 (ESV)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

By "the law" is meant the moral law, as appears from the whole discourse following: this he came not to "destroy", or loose men's obligations to, as a rule of walk and conversation, but "to fulfill" it; which he did doctrinally, by setting it forth fully, and giving the true sense and meaning of it; and practically, by yielding perfect obedience to all its commands, whereby he became "the end", the fulfilling end of it.

Romans 13:8-10 (ESV)
Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

That is, the man that truly loves his neighbour, will contrive no ill against him, nor do any to him; he will not injure his person, nor defile his bed, nor deprive or defraud him of his substance; or do hurt to his character, bear false testimony against him, or covet with an evil covetousness anything that is his; but, on the contrary, will do him all the good he is capable of.

Romans 3:27-31 (ESV)
Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one--who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

The law is not made void, neither by the grace nor doctrine of faith: not by the grace of faith; for that faith is not right which is not attended with works of righteousness; and those works are not right which do not flow from filth. Such a connection there is between faith and works; and so much do the one depend upon the other. Moreover, none but believers are capable of performing good works aright, and they do them, and they ought to do them: besides, faith, as a grace, looks to Christ, as the end of the law for righteousness, and therefore do not make it void. Nor is it made void by the doctrine of faith, and by the particular doctrine of a sinner's justification by faith in Christ's righteousness, which is here more especially intended; for though it is made void by it, as to any use of it for justification by the deeds thereof; yet its use in other respects is not set aside, such as to inform us of the mind and will of God, to discover and convince of sin, to show believers their deformity and imperfection, to render Christ and his righteousness more valuable, and to be a rule of walk and conversation to them; and it still remains a cursing and condemning law to Christless sinners, though justified ones are delivered from it as such: yea, the law is so far from being made void.  
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:58 pm
technically read leviticus 18 all about that right there (NIV Version recomended)  

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Shut-The-Phone

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:31 am
Well, I Dont Beleive In God Or Any Other God Except For The Annunaki But I Still Look Down Upon Gays. Lesbians Are OK But Male-Male Is Just Disgusting In My Opinion.

And Yes The Bible Is Full Of Non-Godly Inspired People Saying Its A "Sin."
Anyone Who Says Otherwise Is Mixing Up What These People Were Saying. Thats Like Someone Thousands Of Years From Now And Many Other Languages In The Future Someone Saying That I Didnt Just Say I Dislike Gay People.  
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:20 am
Shut-The-Phone
Well, I Dont Beleive In God Or Any Other God Except For The Annunaki But I Still Look Down Upon Gays. Lesbians Are OK But Male-Male Is Just Disgusting In My Opinion.
So because you think mansex is gross, that gives you a right to have a superiority complex?

Honestly. No one's asking you to watch them shag. Including most self-respecting lesbians.  

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nightshade213126

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:13 am
I knew when I saw this topic that it would be a hot button debate. Let's face facts. As a Christian my morality does not accept homosexuality as anything but sinful and against what God intended for us. The problem with humanity is that we tend to mix our own standards with God's standards when God's standards become to hard for us to live by. Lust in itself is a sin whether it is homosexual or heterosexual. Look at how many marriages are destroyed by pornography and adultery. "And the law says You shall not commit adultery but I tell you now, any man who looks at another woman in lust has committed adultery in his heart". Christ calls us to flee from all sexual immorality.
As Christians it is our duty to spread the gospel to the ends of the earth and bring as many people into the kingdom as we can. I have a few homosexual friends and even though we do not agree on their lifestyle I still love them as a Christian. No ones mind is going to be changed totally by this discussion but we may learn to tolerate each other a little more by it.  
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:49 am
Homosexuality is a sin. You want proof, here:

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Keep, then, my statutes and decrees, for the man who carries them out will find life through them. I am the LORD.
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1 "None of you shall approach a close relative to have sexual intercourse with her. I am the LORD.
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You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother. Besides, since she is your own mother, you shall not have intercourse with her.
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You shall not have intercourse with your father's wife, for that would be a disgrace to your father.
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You shall not have intercourse with your sister, your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere.
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You shall not have intercourse with your son's daughter or with your daughter's daughter, for that would be a disgrace to your own family.
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You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father's wife bore to him, since she, too, is your sister.
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You shall not have intercourse with your father's sister, since she is your father's relative.
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You shall not have intercourse with your mother's sister, since she is your mother's relative.
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You shall not disgrace your father's brother by being intimate with his wife, since she, too, is your aunt.
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You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law; she is your son's wife, and therefore you shall not disgrace her.
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2 You shall not have intercourse with your brother's wife, for that would be a disgrace to your brother.
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You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; this would be shameful, because they are related to her.
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While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival; for thus you would disgrace your first wife.
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"You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is unclean from menstruation.
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You shall not have carnal relations with your neighbor's wife, defiling yourself with her.
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You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.
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You shall not have carnal relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; such things are abhorrent."

Leviticus 18:5-23

Would you justify one thing and condem the rest?

• Leviticus 18:22-23; 20:13
• Judges 19:22-24

These examples are all from the old testament.

New Testament examples:

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators(sexually immoral) nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites(homosexual offenders) nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers(swindlers) will inherit the kingdom of God.

-1 Corinthians 6:9-10

" With the understanding that law is meant not for a righteous person but for the lawless and unruly, the godless and sinful, the unholy and profane, those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers,
the unchaste, practicing homosexuals, 5 kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is opposed to sound teaching."

-1 Timothy 1:10

However, you can also find examples of masculine love that God has found acceptable.


1 Samuel 18: 1-4

"After David had finished talking with Saul, Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself. From that day Saul kept David with him and did not let him return to his father's house. And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow, and his belt. They did not have sex.

1 Samuel 2: 17-42

" And in his love for David, Jonathan renewed his oath to him, because he loved him as his very self.)
Jonathan then said to him: "Tomorrow is the new moon; and you will be missed, since your place will be vacant.
On the following day you will be missed all the more. Go to the spot where you hid on the other occasion and wait near the mound there.
On the third day of the month I will shoot arrows, as though aiming at a target.
I will then send my attendant to go and recover the arrows. If in fact I say to him, 'Look, the arrow is this side of you; pick it up,' come, for you are safe. As the LORD lives, there will be nothing to fear.
But if I say to the boy, 'Look, the arrow is beyond you,' go, for the LORD sends you away.
However, in the matter which you and I have discussed, the LORD shall be between you and me forever."
So David hid in the open country. On the day of the new moon, when the king sat at table to dine,
taking his usual place against the wall, Jonathan sat facing him, while Abner sat at the king's side, and David's place was vacant.
1 Saul, however, said nothing that day, for he thought, "He must have become unclean by accident, and not yet have been cleansed."
On the next day, the second day of the month, David's place was vacant. Saul inquired of his son Jonathan, "Why has the son of Jesse not come to table yesterday or today?"
Jonathan answered Saul: "David urgently asked me to let him go to his city, Bethlehem.
'Please let me go,' he begged, 'for we are to have a clan sacrifice in our city, and my brothers insist on my presence. Now, therefore, if you think well of me, give me leave to visit my brothers.' That is why he has not come to the king's table."
But Saul was extremely angry with Jonathan and said to him: "Son of a rebellious woman, do I not know that, to your own shame and to the disclosure of your mother's shame, you are the companion of Jesse's son?
Why, as long as the son of Jesse lives upon the earth, you cannot make good your claim to the kingship! So send for him, and bring him to me, for he is doomed."
But Jonathan asked his father Saul: "Why should he die? What has he done?"
At this Saul brandished his spear to strike him, and thus Jonathan learned that his father was resolved to kill David.
Jonathan sprang up from the table in great anger and took no food that second day of the month, for he was grieved on David's account, since his father had railed against him.
The next morning Jonathan went out into the field with a little boy for his appointment with David.
There he said to the boy, "Run and fetch the arrow." And as the boy ran, he shot an arrow beyond him in the direction of the city.
When the boy made for the spot where Jonathan had shot the arrow, Jonathan called after him, "The arrow is farther on!"
Again he called to his lad, "Hurry, be quick, don't delay!" Jonathan's boy picked up the arrow and brought it to his master.
The boy knew nothing; only Jonathan and David knew what was meant. Then Jonathan gave his weapons to this boy of his and said to him, "Go, take them to the city. When the boy had left, David rose from beside the mound and prostrated himself on the ground three times before Jonathan in homage. They kissed each other and wept aloud together. At length Jonathan said to David, "Go in peace, in keeping with what we two have sworn by the name of the LORD: 'The LORD shall be between you and me, and between your posterity and mine forever.'"




I don't want to condemn, but when will you stop feeding yourself lies? It says in the bible that Homosexuality is a sin. Jesus died to forgive our sins. We know that if we lie, all we need to do is repent. So we ask Jesus for forgiveness and we try not to lie again. What makes Homosexuality so different. Yes, you are forgiven. Why aren't you repenting? What if I decided to go off and kill my great aunt's best friend's Grandaughter's boyfriend. Because God will forgive me, I figure, hey. After I kill this guy, I'll ask Jesus to forgive me, then I'll go kill his girlfriend. What is wrong with this Picture. It only says that I can't kill people in the Old Testament and since Jesus died for my sins, I can do anything I want. That means I can kill one person a day, everyday, except on Sundays, because I can't work on Sunday.
Homosexuality is not like that. Well guess what. Your logic is just as mixed up. All sins are going to be counted the same whether you are a chronic liar, Flaming Homosexual, or serial Killer. I do not condemn you, nor do I condone your actions. Just be careful and choose carefully how you will live your life.

I used the NIV and NAV for my references.  

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IcarusDream

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:27 pm
Peoples_Alchemist
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.


Abomination, i.e. ritual impurity (do you even know what the Hebrew word To'ebah means?)....The carnal relations spoken of here are condemned as a ritual practice of the people of Canaan...

Kinda given by...oh I dunno, the next few verses that you left out?

Lev 18:24-25 "Do not defile yourselves by any of these things by which the nations whom I am driving out of your way have defiled themselves.

Because their land has become defiled, I am punishing it for its wickedness, by making it vomit out its inhabitants."

This site goes into a little bit more detail about the distinction...

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-1 Corinthians 6:9-10

-1 Timothy 1:10


Malakos and arsenokoites...how interesting that you bring them up...the weak and the idolatrous...hardly homosexuals.

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It only says that I can't kill people in the Old Testament


Bullshit? Matthew 5:21.

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and since Jesus died for my sins, I can do anything I want.


Jesus' death does not give you a free-card to sin whenever you want. Repentance includes a promise of future good life.

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That means I can kill one person a day, everyday, except on Sundays, because I can't work on Sunday.


It's funny because Jesus actually ******** that commandment off...Matthew 12

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Your logic is just as mixed up.


HAHAHAHAHAHA

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All sins are going to be counted the same whether you are a chronic liar, Flaming Homosexual, or serial Killer.


HAHAHAHAHA. Matthew 12:32  
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:15 pm
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me: It only says that I can't kill people in the Old Testament


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Icarus: Bullshit? Matthew 5:21.

I like how you took my words out of context, is that all you are good for? I was questioning there choices by throwing something in that no one would question, but obviously you did not know that. Quit scanning for things you can gripe about and read the whole post.
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me: and since Jesus died for my sins, I can do anything I want.


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Icarus: Jesus' death does not give you a free-card to sin whenever you want. Repentance includes a promise of future good life.

This was also taken out of context seeing as it is in the same paragraph as the last quote of mine.
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me: That means I can kill one person a day, everyday, except on Sundays, because I can't work on Sunday.


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Icarus: It's funny because Jesus actually ******** that commandment off...Matthew 12


Jesus doesn't "********" anything. God tells us to love him and follow his commandments. He did, however make it possible for all of us to pray to him, and not only that, we don't need to go through all the soul cleansing processes and sacrificing rituals that they practiced before and during Jesus' life. Show me a verse that specifically tells you NOT to follow the 10 commandments.

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me: Your logic is just as mixed up.


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Icarus: HAHAHAHAHAHA


Did you break?

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me: All sins are going to be counted the same whether you are a chronic liar, Flaming Homosexual, or serial Killer.


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Icarus: HAHAHAHAHA. Matthew 12:32

Matthew 12:34, 36-37  

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IcarusDream

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:15 pm
Peoples_Alchemist
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me: It only says that I can't kill people in the Old Testament


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Icarus: Bullshit? Matthew 5:21.

I like how you took my words out of context, is that all you are good for? I was questioning there choices by throwing something in that no one would question, but obviously you did not know that. Quit scanning for things you can gripe about and read the whole post.


The statement was one of fact (nonfact). There was no other way to treat it, you made a false assertion and I basically started laughing and quoted the New Testament reaffirmation.

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me: and since Jesus died for my sins, I can do anything I want.


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This was also taken out of context seeing as it is in the same paragraph as the last quote of mine.


Come and prove it now, will you? Saying it=/=making it true.

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Jesus doesn't "********" anything.


I actually just quoted Elf Lord Chiewn, if you want to talk someone about that, he's read the bible through and through more than I have.

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God tells us to love him and follow his commandments.


That is a commandment of Mosaic Law (which is gone, as in bye bye), isn't it? (No, I'm not saying that doing what you're suggesting is bad thing...)

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He did, however make it possible for all of us to pray to him, and not only that, we don't need to go through all the soul cleansing processes and sacrificing rituals that they practiced before and during Jesus' life. Show me a verse that specifically tells you NOT to follow the 10 commandments.


Any law that wasn't reaffirmed by Christ or other NT writer, isn't applicable anymore. Remember what Paul says, "Anything is permissible, but not everything is constructive."

Is it really constructive not to go work on the Sabbath, lose your job and be unable to take care of your family? Of course not! Work is permissible, as long as it is for good! Keep the Lord's day holy by imitating his good work, which is not necessarily done by listening to a preacher.

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me: All sins are going to be counted the same whether you are a chronic liar, Flaming Homosexual, or serial Killer.


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Matthew 12:34, 36-37


And? Those don't prove that all sins are equal.  
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:03 pm
IcarusDream
Peoples_Alchemist
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me: It only says that I can't kill people in the Old Testament


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Icarus: Bullshit? Matthew 5:21.

I like how you took my words out of context, is that all you are good for? I was questioning there choices by throwing something in that no one would question, but obviously you did not know that. Quit scanning for things you can gripe about and read the whole post.


The statement was one of fact (nonfact). There was no other way to treat it, you made a false assertion and I basically started laughing and quoted the New Testament reaffirmation.

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me: and since Jesus died for my sins, I can do anything I want.


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This was also taken out of context seeing as it is in the same paragraph as the last quote of mine.


Come and prove it now, will you? Saying it=/=making it true.

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Jesus doesn't "********" anything.


I actually just quoted Elf Lord Chiewn, if you want to talk about that, he's read the bible through and through more than I have.

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God tells us to love him and follow his commandments.


That is a commandment of Mosaic Law (which is gone, as in bye bye), isn't it? (No, I'm not saying that doing what you're suggesting is bad thing...)

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He did, however make it possible for all of us to pray to him, and not only that, we don't need to go through all the soul cleansing processes and sacrificing rituals that they practiced before and during Jesus' life. Show me a verse that specifically tells you NOT to follow the 10 commandments.


Any law that wasn't reaffirmed by Christ or other NT writer, isn't applicable anymore. Remember what Paul says, "Anything is permissible, but not everything is constructive."

Is it really constructive not to go work on the Sabbath, lose your job and be unable to take care of your family? Of course not! Work is permissible, as long as it is for good! Keep the Lord's day holy by imitating his good work, which is not necessarily done by listening to a preacher.

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me: All sins are going to be counted the same whether you are a chronic liar, Flaming Homosexual, or serial Killer.


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Matthew 12:34, 36-37


And? Those don't prove that all sins are equal.

No it doesn't. I think you argue just to argue... and I only responded this way because homosexuality is and always will be a sin. You shouldn't expect me to know everything in the bible seeing as I do not have a degree in bible, nor have I majored in, or have professed to have done so. Instead of attacking my post like that, you could disagree in a more organized manner.  

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