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I just wanted to take the time to say, Rest In Peace Paul Grey. We'll always remember you!




Please don't disrespect me or anyone in Slipknot, or whoever posts on this page, just because we like this type of music.

It was sad..
His family..
The band..
His wife and their unborn baby..

It's been a sad time recently for music..

Jimmy Sullivan..
Pete Steele..
Dio..
Paul Gray..

T'is sad..

Wow Ethereal Cereal, you really seem to love insulting other people's taste in music and musicians. =P

No offense intended, I just think it's childish of you to come onto these topics and talk about how the people we're mourning aren't good musicians or they didn't have any impact.

But, on another note, Dio is the worst loss that the music industry has suffered. He was very influential and I'm going to miss him.

The worst part about Dio's and Paul Gray's death is that they were back to back. I also had to put the dog I had for most of my life down right between their deaths.

Rest in Peace Ronnie James Dio, Paul "#2" Gray, and Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan, the three people in the world who inspired me to start writing music. You will be sorely missed.

Oh, I understand what you're saying. Some people feel differently. My opinion is that Avenged Sevenfold is, overall, an okay band, but Slipknot was much better when they first started out. But, I do respect Paul Gray and The Rev. I know a lot of people who were inspired by their music.

Besides, Nu Metal is total crap, I agree with you there. I'm more into techno, punk, grunge, industrial, and trance.

You have valid points, I'm not saying you don't, I'm just disagreeing with a few of them.

Funny, because nowhere did I ever state that I didn't like Metal or Rock, I stated that I didn't like Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold. They factually aren't Metal. There's nothing subjective about what I said, the facts speak for themselves, and the only people who have ever argued the facts have been those who genuinely wouldn't know actual Metal if it came up and slapped them in the face. I've listened to it for almost a decade, I've developed the knowledge and crafted my opinions on what's good and what isn't, and I'm well within my rights to state the truth about the matter. Just because they're 'heavy,' and just because they themselves may state that they're Metal, doesn't mean that they are. Evanescence classify themselves as Alternative Rock, but they aren't that either.

And by the way, just to restate my point in what I originally said...



Note the bold, and note how I never showed any disrespect to either of their families. I made a very straightforward point that neither of them made any sort of worthwhile contribution to the music world, and since I knew neither of them personally (and also, since neither of them were very good musicians in the first place), I'm not going to lament and cry over their deaths, because it wouldn't make sense.

Also, I honestly have to wonder how either one of those bands is unique, when there are dozens of bands that sound exactly alike. If they were unique they would've paved the way for something worthwhile to come out of the music world, and nothing ever did. They weren't groundbreaking, or revolutionary, or anything like that.

Another thing, the amount of members in a band means nothing if the quality of the music they produce is low on the scale. I can think of a half-dozen individual people who could write music without a band that's a thousand times better than anything they can create with nine. Besides, having nine people isn't that special, the Greek band Dol Ammad has eighteen, if you count the thirteen-man choir, and they make music that's no better than any regular band of that genre with five or six.

Honestly, no credible music listener gives two shits about the amount of people in a band, or what their stage getups are, or anything like that. What matters is whether the end result is any good. And in the case for both bands, that just doesn't happen.

I understand entirely. I started my big listening habits with Slipknot as well. Even if they themselves weren't totally Metal, they did serve as a gateway for a lot of future Metal listeners.

As far as why they're not Metal, well...if you listen closely to some of their earlier material, then compare it to some of the Rock bands around during the same time as their formation, you'll start to find that they sound fairly similar. Bands like Faith No More, Helmet, and a lot of riff-heavy Rock groups that existed during the 90's. Bands like Slipknot and Korn took heavily from those types of bands as well as the Grunge scene, since that's what was primarily mainstream at the time. Bands like that also took from Hip-Hop, or at least from the type of music being produced by the Beastie Boys and, most notably, the collaboration between Anthrax and Public enemy in 1991, where they redid the song 'Bring the Noise.'

This is a song from 1995, by a band called Into Another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl8uYRo_34I

As well, another song from around that time period, by the band Helmet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfygUiS50g

Finally, some Faith No More:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPlMczZaJlg

Note the similarities in the last song with some of the material Korn released.

My suggestion to you would be to study some of the music that came out during the late 80's through to the mid 90's, because there are plenty of Rock bands to reference.

Paul Grey's mask was in Halloween shops everywhere where I live ....

Thought that was morbid. Don't know if it was bad, he probably would have wanted that... just thought it was crazy cause no one else from slipknots mask was available at "Halloween Express"

Maybe that's part of the plan... wonder who made all the money off of that...

Slipknot don't need a bassist. Their guitars are tuned so low that its quite unnecessary rofl .