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Lumanny the Space Jew

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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:10 pm

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/lifestyle-discussion/interfaith-marriage/t.49387277/

Lumanny the Space Jew

I would not exist if not for interfaith marriage.
My mom is Jewish and my dad is Catholic. My siblings and I were raised Jewish.
They love eachother and it's never been an issue.

And yet, I don't know if I like interfaith marriage. If I married a gentile, the kids would probably not be raised Jewish and carry the line, which is important to me, especially because I love Juidaism and want to become a rabbi.
So I say no to interfaith marriage for myself.

What about you all?

Yes, it's a copy of a thread of mine in LD; I do that sometimes, especially duplicating between Main Forums and Guild forums, even the poll is the same.

I wonder what the people here will think compared to those in LD...

Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:16 pm

THE SONG I DON'T WANT TO SING BUT JUST MIGHT ONE DAY:

Has anyone here heard of the musical "The Last Five Years?" It's about this husband and wife, and the husband sings from their first date on forwards to their divorce and the wife sings back from when they divorced to when they first dated. I've never seen it but I LOVE the songs.

The guy is Jewish, and the girl isn't. So when they first meet and he realises he loves her, he sings the song "Shiksah Goddess:"

VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP1Sl4zSqqo&feature=related

LYRICS:

http://www.allmusicals.com/lyrics/thelast5years/shiksagoddess.htm

m breaking my mother's heart
The longer I stand looking at you
The more I hear it splinter and crack
From ninety miles away

I'm breaking my mother's heart
The JCC of Spring Valley is shaking
And crumbling to the ground
And my grandfather's rolling
Rolling in his grave

If you had a tattoo, that wouldn't matter
If you had a shaved head, that would be cool
If you came from Spain or Japan
Or the back of a van
Just as long as you're not from Hebrew school
I'd say, "Now I'm getting somewhere!
I'm finally breaking through!"
I'd say, "Hey! Hey! Shiksa goddess!
I've been waiting for someone like you"

I've been waiting through Danica Schwartz and Erica Weiss
And the Handelman twins
I've been waiting through Heather Greenblatt, Annie Mincus, Karen Pincus and Lisa Katz
And Stacy Rosen, Ellen Kaplan, Julie Silber and Janie Stein
I've had Shabbas dinners on Friday nights
With every Shapiro in Washington Heights
But the minute I first met you
I could barely catch my breath
I've been standing for days with the phone in my hand
Like and idiot, scared to death
I've been wandering through the desert
I've been beaten, I've been hit
My people have suffered for thousands of years
And I don't give a s**t!

If you had a pierced tongue, that wouldn't matter
If you once were in jail or you once were a man,
If your mother and your brother had "relations" with each other
And your father was connected to the Gotti clan
I'd say, "Well, nobody's perfect"
It's tragic but it's true
I'd say, "Hey! Hey! Shiksa goddess!
I've been waiting for someone like..."

You, breaking the circle
You, taking the light
You, you are the story
I should write
I have to write!

If you drove an R.V., that wouldn't matter
If you like to drink blood, I think it's cute
If you've got a powerful connection to your firearm collection
I'd say, Draw a bead and shoot
I'm your Hebrew slave, at your service
Just tell me what to do
I say, "Hey hey hey hey!
I've been waiting for someone
I've been praying for someone
I think that I could be in love with someone
Like You"

[Thanks to Elphaba_of_Georgia@yahoo.com for lyrics]

Lumanny the Space Jew

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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:19 pm

Fact: During the Babylonian Exile, Jewish men started marrying, well, shiksas. Their children were still more or less assimilated Jewish, but it still left the Jewish women in a bad position, having to marry gentile men and have gentile children. This was a problem.
To fix this and encourage marrying Jewish women, the formerly patrilineal system turned matrilineal.
If they hadn't changed it, from a Jewish perspective I would be SCREWED.

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:52 pm

at one point, i saw it as something i was going to do (i didn't want to marry some goody goody return missionary who was going to look down on me or my family or my hobbies or anything like that. i did not want to be some woman popping out kids while cooking, cleaning and looking like a supermodel, which from the looks of it around here, is what they want. they go on a mission, and suddenly, they act cocky and raise their standards ridiculously high, and get divorced very quickly as well), as an eminent part of my future (and i was fine with that. i liked learning about other faiths as long as mine wasn't put in the griller). i was suprised i married someone in my faith (but he isn't active, which is fine with me, and is almost the return missionary polar opposite, which i like and am fine with), but he treats me good and lets me be who i am, so whatever.

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:17 pm

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at one point, i saw it as something i was going to do (i didn't want to marry some goody goody return missionary who was going to look down on me or my family or my hobbies or anything like that. i did not want to be some woman popping out kids while cooking, cleaning and looking like a supermodel, which from the looks of it around here, is what they want. they go on a mission, and suddenly, they act cocky and raise their standards ridiculously high, and get divorced very quickly as well), as an eminent part of my future (and i was fine with that. i liked learning about other faiths as long as mine wasn't put in the griller). i was suprised i married someone in my faith (but he isn't active, which is fine with me, and is almost the return missionary polar opposite, which i like and am fine with), but he treats me good and lets me be who i am, so whatever.

Whether he was a missionary or a mercenary would really help..

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:41 am

Well I'm an ex-catholic now a deist who's girlfriend was raised jehovah's witness and it works out pretty well.

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:34 pm

I'd have no issue marrying someone who wasn't Atheist. Though problems would probably show up with kids, I don't believe babies should be baptized. Though it does depend on the religion and how strict they are, obviously.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:00 pm

It's abhorrent.

Marriage is our purest institution.

One should not marry but for love.

One cannot love what one cannot abide.

One cannot abide what is fundamentally wrong.

Religion provides a fundamental belief system.

This is the birth of evangelism.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:10 pm

I aint got a problem marrying someone who aint Pagan. (Idk what branch I'm in yet so I use that as a General Term). If I loved the girl then Religion shouldn't matter, I could get married at the Town hall or somewhere so we could both be happy getting married.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:41 pm

Lumanny, I hate the word Shiksa D: Such a negative word.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:43 pm

Lumanny the Space Jew

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/lifestyle-discussion/interfaith-marriage/t.49387277/

Lumanny the Space Jew

I would not exist if not for interfaith marriage.
My mom is Jewish and my dad is Catholic. My siblings and I were raised Jewish.
They love eachother and it's never been an issue.

And yet, I don't know if I like interfaith marriage. If I married a gentile, the kids would probably not be raised Jewish and carry the line, which is important to me, especially because I love Juidaism and want to become a rabbi.
So I say no to interfaith marriage for myself.

What about you all?

Yes, it's a copy of a thread of mine in LD; I do that sometimes, especially duplicating between Main Forums and Guild forums, even the poll is the same.

I wonder what the people here will think compared to those in LD...

You have to do what's right for you although I don't suggest closing the door on other options or else what is right for you might not be something that you'll be able to see.

*shrugs* I don't see the problem with interfaith marriages although hopefully any such couple would plan ahead and tackle the big issues they might have before tying the knot.

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:16 pm

I'm a Christian and I've seen what can happen by marrying someone of another religion from seeing some of my friend's parents. Who you're aroundinfulences you and as I Christian, being around someone who was not, may influence me and I don't want my faith to ever be tampered with.

Jewish I'm fine with. Jews believe in the same God as I do, the same Bible as I do, and have overalll have pretty much the same morals. These are the three things I would be worried about in marrage with someone of another religion that does not belive in the God I serve.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:36 pm

Dreamie Star

I'm a Christian and I've seen what can happen by marrying someone of another religion from seeing some of my friend's parents. Who you're aroundinfulences you and as I Christian, being around someone who was not, may influence me and I don't want my faith to ever be tampered with.

Jewish I'm fine with. Jews believe in the same God as I do, the same Bible as I do, and have overalll have pretty much the same morals. These are the three things I would be worried about in marrage with someone of another religion that does not belive in the God I serve.

No we don't. Same G-d, yes, but nothing else from that list.

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:48 pm

Marriage is only about love. If a person I love (? whee ) is going to church every sunday I'll go there with that person even if I don't like it. You love someone "even if", not "because of", right? wink

A friend of mine, a very believing in christian catholic god, but not really church-loving, started working in Holland where she met her current muslim husband. They're very happy. He had some influence on her but I don't think it's bad (at least as long as she's happy and ok with it).

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:31 pm

my bf is a non-believer in the christian god (like myself) but he suspects something is out there, he doesn't know what.

if we do get married i would suggest a hand-fasting to him (pagan marriage) but because he doesn't believe in what i believe in, if he refused it would be fine. if we do want to get married then a registry office would probably be ideal.

the subject has come up & the first time he came up he was v anti-marriage but last year he seemed to be warming to the idea but it is not the end of the world. though i do believe it is a firm standing if there is children involved but that is just my thought.

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