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 Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:45 am
So, I just found out that there's a creationist zoo in North Somerset and there's this big to do over it because it's undermining science. Here's the article I was reading: 'Creationist' zoo causes dismay What are your thoughts on this? I remember a few years back the creationism museum got a lot of attention in the US, there were a lot of angry and frustrated people. Is this something we need to take an active stand against, or doesn't it matter?
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:55 am
As long as it wasnt payed for with public money I dont see a problem.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:10 am
@ Semiremiss
As long as it acknowledges it's stemmed from a religion, I don't mind all that much, but the museum wasn't in good standing with me. Being that some much editing has went into the Bible to make it "modern" that this museum seemed to add to it.
Thanks for the invite btw.
@ dio
Yeah and that too, privately invested makes it more acceptable.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:30 pm
I don't think it really matters that much, whether it was paid for privately or not. It's open for those who want to visit it and those who don't, don't have to go.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:25 pm
FaithfulAtheist @ Semiremiss As long as it acknowledges it's stemmed from a religion, I don't mind all that much, but the museum wasn't in good standing with me. Being that some much editing has went into the Bible to make it "modern" that this museum seemed to add to it. Thanks for the invite btw. @ dio Yeah and that too, privately invested makes it more acceptable. You're welcome for the invite biggrin I'm not sure if it acknowledges creationism as an aspect of a religious belief or if they are representing it as science. That's a good point though and I agree that if the former is the case then it's fine. I've grown up with a deep respect for science and this whole 'creation science' deal is just a blow below the belt. Science follows a process (and if 'creation science followed the same process then it wouldn't be pseudoscience). Anyway, I'm still a bit surprised about the zoo usually everyone targets America for being backwards.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:20 pm
Who cares?
Its a place for people to express their particular view of how the World was created. Even Evolution admits to the world being created, i.e. there was a creation but a creator is not plausible therefore it happened via a cosmic seed which is infinite and cyclic.
So meh, if someone wishes to visit it, by all means. If not, by all means avoid it. But I pray it was used with personal funds and not federal money.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:32 am
If the money came from the public without their knowledge then it must be shut down and the money returned. If privately funded then by all means let it be there it aint doing no one no harm. You wanna visit then go ahead if not then don't. Who funded it is a question of debate because Federal Money going to something like that shouldn't happen ever, however if privately funded then idc if its around.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:03 am
I think it's awesome no matter who's funding it (am I really the only one? emo ). I wish there was more facilities for creation, if for no other reason then I think people should question evolution. You can't really be well-rounded unless you know both sides to an argument, and I think we lose that with evolution and creationism. It's a theory, not absolute fact (despite the fact that a lot of people will take it that way because it's taught in schools).
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:24 pm
This is so stupid. People need to remember that evolution is still not accepted as scientific fact even though it has been dubbed "scientific law" and that not everyone believes in evolution. What exactly is so bad about it anyway? It's not like the 'world is round' thing that's completely obvious and can be seen everyday. You can't see creationism NOR can you see evolution each day so what is everyone's quarrel over it? You choose one or the other and that's it. Why bash eachother its just infantile!
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:55 pm
GaleNexus This is so stupid. People need to remember that evolution is still not accepted as scientific fact even though it has been dubbed "scientific law" and that not everyone believes in evolution. What exactly is so bad about it anyway? It's not like the 'world is round' thing that's completely obvious and can be seen everyday. You can't see creationism NOR can you see evolution each day so what is everyone's quarrel over it? You choose one or the other and that's it. Why bash eachother its just infantile! The problem is that creationists think that it is okay for a religion to dictate what is and what isn't science. Creationism isn't science, Intelligent design isn't either. Where would we be if we allowed religion to rule, if there were no scientific inquiry, if we still thought the world was flat because a few powerful people interpreted their holy text in a way that led them to that conclusion? Evolution is a scientific fact. Does that mean that it can't ever be overshadowed by a new theory? no, it doesn't but that's how science works. There is no such thing as creation science, it's not science unless it's submitted to an accredited scientific Journal and then peer reviewed and there are no studies by creation scientists who have made it through that process. Creationism as a religious doctrine is fine, I'm a Christian, I believe God created the world but I don't think it does him any credit to try to disprove what his creation is telling us.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:12 pm
dio777 As long as it wasnt payed for with public money I dont see a problem. This. Though, it mentioned that school groups were visiting... I don't think public schools should be taking field trips there, though for private schools it's theirs and the parents' choice.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:30 am
I kind of want to go there to read the captions.
"Gorilla- Created by God."
"Giraffe- Created by God"
"Parrot- Created by God"
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:31 am
Eh, people will believe anything if that means they can stop thinking.
Although it will be HI-LARIOUS when they try to get the lion to lie down with the lamb.
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:27 pm
Semiremis FaithfulAtheist @ Semiremiss As long as it acknowledges it's stemmed from a religion, I don't mind all that much, but the museum wasn't in good standing with me. Being that some much editing has went into the Bible to make it "modern" that this museum seemed to add to it. Thanks for the invite btw. @ dio Yeah and that too, privately invested makes it more acceptable. You're welcome for the invite biggrin I'm not sure if it acknowledges creationism as an aspect of a religious belief or if they are representing it as science. That's a good point though and I agree that if the former is the case then it's fine. I've grown up with a deep respect for science and this whole 'creation science' deal is just a blow below the belt. Science follows a process (and if 'creation science followed the same process then it wouldn't be pseudoscience). Anyway, I'm still a bit surprised about the zoo usually everyone targets America for being backwards. Yeah, I don't particularly enjoy the changing of the name either. Intelligent Design and Creationims seems to make it more "Science-Like" which is not what they should be doing if they were so gun-ho with their bible belts.
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:39 pm
GaleNexus This is so stupid. People need to remember that evolution is still not accepted as scientific fact even though it has been dubbed "scientific law" and that not everyone believes in evolution. What exactly is so bad about it anyway? It's not like the 'world is round' thing that's completely obvious and can be seen everyday. You can't see creationism NOR can you see evolution each day so what is everyone's quarrel over it? You choose one or the other and that's it. Why bash eachother its just infantile! People thought the Earth was flat. People thought the Earth was the center of the Universe. People thought the Sun was the center of the Universe. People thought the Sun revolved around Earth. And you want to know something? Some people still believe that.I don't see how evolution isn't possible. There is actually more evidence to support that evolution exists than that the Sun revolves around Earth. People don't believe it because It's against their religion. People believed all that stuff at the top because of religion. The guy who discovered the Earth revolved around the sun? The Pope locked him up for the rest of his life because of it. It's just religion.
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