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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:45 am
See subject.
What's your reason behind your answer?
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:05 am
Goodness no.
I realize my values and morals aren't going to fit everybody's needs and wants, so it seems rather silly to want to impose them on everybody.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:13 am
i hope my leaders have values and are open about them.
i am convinced that everyone has values anyway, and those who profess not to have either not examined their lives or are dishonest.
so let us have full disclosure up front, and then vote your conscience.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:52 am
No! I do have my personal convictions, and it would be ashame for me if I wake up one day and do something in opposition of my conviction, (even though I try hard) I'm not perfect. My convictions might not be good for someone else and vise versa. For instance according to some religions if a female is disobediant to her religious convictions she can be put to death. Laws should protect people and not cater to personal beliefs and non-beliefs.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:04 am
A political figures personal religious beliefs will undoubtedly factor into his/her decision making in some way since it's a part of who the individual is. We all have different persuasions even if they aren't religious in nature which shape our beliefs and subsequent actions so why is religion any worse than anything else out there?
I don't want the ME form of Sharia law to rule in my country nor do I want the Christians to make laws about putting gay people to death (yes there are some out there who want this). I'd rather we stick to universal human rights and not get into the smaller issues of morality.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:25 am
Religious views will no doubt factor into every one's decision making. I don't care either, just as long as the political figures religious convictions aren't turned into the whole "you must do this or you go to jail because that's my religion" type of situation
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:54 pm
No. No. No. In America we're all supposed to have the same exact rights. No matter our religion, our beliefs, our lack of, or who we are. And I refuse to be dictated by religious rules I don't believe in. No one should force their beliefs on anyone. This is why I beg for the day we have an Atheist president. Then at least there's no religious bias. I wouldn't vote for someone just for them being Atheist, mind you. Another reason I find it hard not to hate religion:  Religious wars aren't things you read in history books.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:27 pm
Shiori Miko This is why I beg for the day we have an Atheist president. Then at least there's no religious bias. I would be worried about an anti-religous bias. Quote: Another reason I find it hard not to hate religion:  Religious wars aren't things you read in history books. So how much have you actually bothered to learn about all religions in order to hate them all? And you are aware that there are more religions out there besides the Abrahamic Three? Not to mention the fact that even without religion in the world, that picture would just say something else just as arbitrary; "Imagine No Literature" or "Imagine No Pleated Trousers." I'm always quite amused by people who think that getting rid of all religion will suddenly make everything peaceful and sweet.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:43 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff So how much have you actually bothered to learn about all religions in order to hate them all? And you are aware that there are more religions out there besides the Abrahamic Three? Not to mention the fact that even without religion in the world, that picture would just say something else just as arbitrary; "Imagine No Literature" or "Imagine No Pleated Trousers." I'm always quite amused by people who think that getting rid of all religion will suddenly make everything peaceful and sweet. Nope, which is why I try not to hate religion. Though I will admit I'm not that great at it. And obviously getting ridding of religion wouldn't solve everything. We are humans after all. I just thought of South Park. Cartmen goes to the future and everyone's Atheist and they're still fighting. xd
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:38 pm
Shiori Miko Violet Song jat Shariff So how much have you actually bothered to learn about all religions in order to hate them all? And you are aware that there are more religions out there besides the Abrahamic Three? Not to mention the fact that even without religion in the world, that picture would just say something else just as arbitrary; "Imagine No Literature" or "Imagine No Pleated Trousers." I'm always quite amused by people who think that getting rid of all religion will suddenly make everything peaceful and sweet. Nope, which is why I try not to hate religion. Though I will admit I'm not that great at it. And obviously getting ridding of religion wouldn't solve everything. We are humans after all. I just thought of South Park. Cartmen goes to the future and everyone's Atheist and they're still fighting. xd It's probably better to hate the assholes who abuse and misconstrue a faith to serve their own ends. I know! I think of those episodes too every time I read an atheist ranting about how the world would be perfect without religion xd That show cracks me up.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:45 pm
For the love of all that is right no!
Don't get me wrong, but too many religious politicians make stupid interpretations of their religious doctrines and take rash decisions. One has to understand that making one religion happy is likely to anger ten more. Ataturk (I'm not Turkish, but I liked his political structure) was very clear when he said that peace, state and religion were elements that could not exist in one place with more than two at a time and I agree. One can have peace and religion (Tibetan monks), peace and state (Most secular, democratic countries not warring over materialism, which should be considered a religion in its own right) or state and religion (I'm not going to make an example here in order to n** the flamewar in the bud, but lets just say that most religious states are in continual warfare to this day.)
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:46 pm
I don't like the athiest world view because it completely does away with right and wrong. If we're evolved and there is no supernatural anything, then what's the point of being nice people or trying to do right? Seeing things that way just makes life of any sort rather worthless. I do think religion should be able to influence law to a certain extent, because it does. There's nothing in the athiest viewpoint that says a murderer should be free to murder (we put some of those men and women on death row remember) or a thief allowed to steal. The degree has to be considered, but who wants to vote for a politician who's so athiestic he values animals more then humans because to that politician we are animals? There are athiests like that.
And btw, there are books that say the Founding Fathers based a lot of the laws of the land off the Ten Commandments. Feel free to dispute that, just thought I'd bring it up.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:59 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I don't like the athiest world view because it completely does away with right and wrong. "Right and wrong do not exist. There is an option that is nice and an option that is not so nice." Not the greatest quote in the world, but it's how my Atheist mind views the world.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:28 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I don't like the athiest world view because it completely does away with right and wrong. If we're evolved and there is no supernatural anything, then what's the point of being nice people or trying to do right? Because it's a good feeling to do something good for someone else. Quote: I do think religion should be able to influence law to a certain extent, because it does. Whose religion though? Quote: There's nothing in the athiest viewpoint that says a murderer should be free to murder (we put some of those men and women on death row remember) or a thief allowed to steal. The degree has to be considered, but who wants to vote for a politician who's so athiestic he values animals more then humans because to that politician we are animals? There are athiests like that. I have never met an atheist like that. I have no clue how seeing animals as higher than human beings relates in any way to atheism. If anything, that seems more in line with the nutty, tree-humping "whyt lyt" Pagans.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:37 pm
My definition of an atheist good deed is bringing the greatest amount of happiness to the greatest amount of people while causing the least amount of suffering to the least amount of beings.
Hence, it's basically: (People x Happy) / (People x Unhappy) = The action's Goodness factor.
And, in all honesty, I think that that's a pretty good philosophy to ponder before taking any action.
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