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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:32 am
Taken from my livejournal.
Where do I even begin? I admit that the women in Egypt were seemingly not respected- at all, unless they were from a wealthy family which is easy to spot considering wealthy women generally do not wear hijab. I had almost no interaction with women at all aside from in Aswan, and even there the Nubian women refused to make conversation aside from wanting to know if we needed anything. Now, I believe in modesty and even though I don't follow Tznuit Laws, wear hijab, or even look like an Amish (although I am progressively becoming more modest recently) I have not, do not, and will never think that a woman wearing a headscarf is a symbol of oppression.
I always end up infuriated while arguing about the 'oppression of women in Islam'. Let's look at Christian modesty for a moment. Having been the good little Catholic girl and then sent off to a VERY strict Presbyterian school with a bunch of pastor's children, we were taught that sexualizing ourselves is wrong (yes, I did rebel in my teenage years) and that we are perfect the way we are and will go to Hell for wearing makeup, having our skirts above the knee and on some days *gasp* showing our elbows! Although I have many issues with instilling this kind of fear into children, with sex being plastered on everything and anything that it can be in our society, we seem to be declining in good morals.
The feeling of being accepted for who you are and not what you look like is a very fulfilling feeling. It is not healthy to concern yourself with weight, hair, makeup and spending hours upon hours staring into the mirror thinking you'd be happier with a larger bust size or a bumpless nose. As someone who does have an eating disorder and is slightly more vocal about it only for others to learn from, our culture sucks. I admit I am a hypocrite at times but I am also a product of Western culture and it's difficult to shake that. We're teaching our little girls that it is OKAY to look like prostitots, it is OKAY to be boy crazed at a young age, hell, Tyra Banks had a girl on her show who was taking fertility pills to try and get pregnant. She was fifteen and her boyfriend was eighteen!
I think that we have been influenced so much by the media that we as a society cannot fathom that happiness cannot be obtained by how attractive we are or how much money we make. We forget that family, friends, our own beliefs (whatever they may be) and respect for ourselves and others is what will make us happy. In an attempt for superficial popularity we lose ourselves, we forget who we are as a person.
Every girl has dated at least one guy who was only out for sex. The more modest I dress, the less frequently I attract negative attention.
Dressing modestly attracts men who are interested in you for who you are, not what they think they can get from you. It significantly decreases the number of toxic people who become a part of your life. The same toxic people who have pressured me into taking drugs and left me on a street corner, have given me ecstacy at a party when I wanted a Tylenol, have taken me into sketchy abandoned parking lots to 'talk', and various other frightening situations. Get the idea?
But what does this have to do with Islamic women?
Depending on how wealthy or poor the country is will indicate how egalitarian it is. Do not blame Islam or the Q'ran for the lack of women's rights; there is a huge difference between religion, culture, and customs. In Iran (this is shocking to most) women must wear headscarf but are allowed to show their hair! It's also a much wealthier country than Egypt. Hijab in this case is a sign that women respect themselves enough not to be put on display, which in turn makes for a safer environment for them. Egyptian men see ALL Western women as prostitutes because we do not dress in a way that shows (to them) that we respect ourselves or have any religious values.
Having said this, there is also a significant religious reason for hijab. Not only is hijab extremely beautiful in itself but it makes Muslim women feel beautiful! The idea of covering a part of yourself, keeping it mysterious, sharing it only with your husband, and respecting yourself for Allah is a feeling of accomplishment.
I have not seen any articles going on about the oppression of women in Orthodox Judaism! Isn't is required by Halacha that a married woman covers her hair?
I have to stop blabbering now but keep this in mind; if you follow a certain law or rule within a religion do you do it because you must in order to avoid eternal damnation or any other form of punishment, or does it make you happy?
I use the same philosophy as a Noachide. I follow Kashrut laws as closely as possible (impossible because I am not Jewish) but when I consciously make the decision to, say, not mix dairy and meat, I feel as if I have done something good.I feel even better when no one notices! This is sacred to me. I don't do it because it's ordered of me but I choose to do it because it makes the bond between me and Hashem even stronger.
It comes down to just that; the relationship you have with Gd.
I wore a headscarf for a day once and I felt empowered as I always do when I make the decision to be modest. I feel independent, confident, and more myself than ever. All the Muslim women I have spoken to have the same thing to say; they feel proud of themselves and confident that they are able to be modest. It is a VERY spiritual experience.
In the end it is a woman's choice whether or not to wear a headscarf (in this country at least) and to find so many Muslim women continuing their values in the Western world is very respectable. It's hard for them to do so, especially with many people not understanding Islam, but they won't let it harm their spirituality.
We should embrace diversity.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:05 pm
I have no problem when I see women wearing a headscarf. I don't view it as a symbol of oppression either, however a hijab is optional in the Qu'ran but in certain middle eastern countries it is required by law. If that's the case it should be optional. This doesn't mean I am asking for women to have everything exposed and to wear makeup (makeup is okay). If wearing a headscarf makes you feel happy then I can't tell you to stop wearing it.
Though I definitely think it's not okay for someones 12 year old to have a cell a phone and dress in smaller outfits while wearing makeup as I'm starting to see this more occasionally in the U.S.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:30 pm
eh, either way I don't see a problem with it at least not from the way I look at things. It should just be a matter of personal preference and if people are allowed to act on that preference then where is the oppression?
It gets so frustrating when people start harassing you about what you are wearing and it doesn't matter which direction the harassment is directed in (whether it is because someone is being too modest or too revealing).
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:24 pm
In Medias Res IV Taken from my livejournal. Where do I even begin? I admit that the women in Egypt were seemingly not respected- at all, unless they were from a wealthy family which is easy to spot considering wealthy women generally do not wear hijab. I had almost no interaction with women at all aside from in Aswan, and even there the Nubian women refused to make conversation aside from wanting to know if we needed anything. Now, I believe in modesty and even though I don't follow Tznuit Laws, wear hijab, or even look like an Amish (although I am progressively becoming more modest recently) I have not, do not, and will never think that a woman wearing a headscarf is a symbol of oppression. I always end up infuriated while arguing about the 'oppression of women in Islam'. Let's look at Christian modesty for a moment. Having been the good little Catholic girl and then sent off to a VERY strict Presbyterian school with a bunch of pastor's children, we were taught that sexualizing ourselves is wrong (yes, I did rebel in my teenage years) and that we are perfect the way we are and will go to Hell for wearing makeup, having our skirts above the knee and on some days *gasp* showing our elbows! Although I have many issues with instilling this kind of fear into children, with sex being plastered on everything and anything that it can be in our society, we seem to be declining in good morals. The feeling of being accepted for who you are and not what you look like is a very fulfilling feeling. It is not healthy to concern yourself with weight, hair, makeup and spending hours upon hours staring into the mirror thinking you'd be happier with a larger bust size or a bumpless nose. As someone who does have an eating disorder and is slightly more vocal about it only for others to learn from, our culture sucks. I admit I am a hypocrite at times but I am also a product of Western culture and it's difficult to shake that. We're teaching our little girls that it is OKAY to look like prostitots, it is OKAY to be boy crazed at a young age, hell, Tyra Banks had a girl on her show who was taking fertility pills to try and get pregnant. She was fifteen and her boyfriend was eighteen! I think that we have been influenced so much by the media that we as a society cannot fathom that happiness cannot be obtained by how attractive we are or how much money we make. We forget that family, friends, our own beliefs (whatever they may be) and respect for ourselves and others is what will make us happy. In an attempt for superficial popularity we lose ourselves, we forget who we are as a person. Every girl has dated at least one guy who was only out for sex. The more modest I dress, the less frequently I attract negative attention. Dressing modestly attracts men who are interested in you for who you are, not what they think they can get from you. It significantly decreases the number of toxic people who become a part of your life. The same toxic people who have pressured me into taking drugs and left me on a street corner, have given me ecstacy at a party when I wanted a Tylenol, have taken me into sketchy abandoned parking lots to 'talk', and various other frightening situations. Get the idea? But what does this have to do with Islamic women? Depending on how wealthy or poor the country is will indicate how egalitarian it is. Do not blame Islam or the Q'ran for the lack of women's rights; there is a huge difference between religion, culture, and customs. In Iran (this is shocking to most) women must wear headscarf but are allowed to show their hair! It's also a much wealthier country than Egypt. Hijab in this case is a sign that women respect themselves enough not to be put on display, which in turn makes for a safer environment for them. Egyptian men see ALL Western women as prostitutes because we do not dress in a way that shows (to them) that we respect ourselves or have any religious values. Having said this, there is also a significant religious reason for hijab. Not only is hijab extremely beautiful in itself but it makes Muslim women feel beautiful! The idea of covering a part of yourself, keeping it mysterious, sharing it only with your husband, and respecting yourself for Allah is a feeling of accomplishment. I have not seen any articles going on about the oppression of women in Orthodox Judaism! Isn't is required by Halacha that a married woman covers her hair? I have to stop blabbering now but keep this in mind; if you follow a certain law or rule within a religion do you do it because you must in order to avoid eternal damnation or any other form of punishment, or does it make you happy? I use the same philosophy as a Noachide. I follow Kashrut laws as closely as possible (impossible because I am not Jewish) but when I consciously make the decision to, say, not mix dairy and meat, I feel as if I have done something good.I feel even better when no one notices! This is sacred to me. I don't do it because it's ordered of me but I choose to do it because it makes the bond between me and Hashem even stronger. It comes down to just that; the relationship you have with Gd. I wore a headscarf for a day once and I felt empowered as I always do when I make the decision to be modest. I feel independent, confident, and more myself than ever. All the Muslim women I have spoken to have the same thing to say; they feel proud of themselves and confident that they are able to be modest. It is a VERY spiritual experience. In the end it is a woman's choice whether or not to wear a headscarf (in this country at least) and to find so many Muslim women continuing their values in the Western world is very respectable. It's hard for them to do so, especially with many people not understanding Islam, but they won't let it harm their spirituality. We should embrace diversity. Value is the key word; when we value ourselves we don't have to copy worldly values. The media basically dictate to us what to wear from our hair to our toenails, they also glamourize evil. For the younger generation who have no close role models, they model themselves after movie stars (actors and actresses) who get up and go home after their murders, adultress affairs, the get highs, the gambling etc. And its all done with the glitz and glitters. I've been on some crazy journeys in my life and I can tell you that natural is great, modesty is good and they are a road to spirituality. When others care for you without all the glitz and glitter you feel a sense of love present.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:54 pm
Could you link your livejournal?
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:43 am
Vasilius Konstantinos Could you link your livejournal? Is there any particular reason?
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:19 am
In Medias Res IV Vasilius Konstantinos Could you link your livejournal? Is there any particular reason? Well either. 1. He likes your writing. 2. He wants it as a source, or 3. Plans to debunk you?, 4. All of the Above except 3.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:17 pm
Luminated Occultist In Medias Res IV Vasilius Konstantinos Could you link your livejournal? Is there any particular reason? Well either. 1. He likes your writing. 2. He wants it as a source, or 3. Plans to debunk you?, 4. All of the Above except 3. But it gives out too much information about me, I'm a bit wary.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:50 pm
it is so ironic that in the name of liberating them, France wants to compel Muslim women to unwillingly bare parts of their bodies.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:07 am
chessiejo it is so ironic that in the name of liberating them, France wants to compel Muslim women to unwillingly bare parts of their bodies. That is not what that debate is about at all. The concern is for public health, not forcing people to bare their bodies. The "Bhurquini"(sp) incident was a woman breaking the health code at a public pool. Wearing so many clothes, as that woman was trying to do, is dangerous from a microscopic level because of whatever might be on her clothes being brought into the water (or brought out of it), and also because it's harder to swim when wearing layers -- she could, in theory, drown because of wearing clothing that creates too much drag to swim. Honestly, it's not like they were telling her to get naked. They have regulations on what sort of clothing is or isn't allowed -- and nudity was no allowed. I'm willing to bet she could've gotten a diving suit -- something that would cover her and be water resistant with less risk of drowning or introduction of bacteria -- instead of trying to wear what was, effectively, street clothes into a public pool. To me, the whole mess sounds like someone seeking an excuse to claim they are oppressed. There has to be some public beach she could have gone to where there are only public decency laws and where the bacterial quality of the water wouldn't be quite so affected by wearing clothing.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:04 pm
I think the head scarf is attractive. The only covering I find invasive to a woman is the burka as all it leave is an eyepiece to see through. That seems repressive to me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:33 pm
Bouidicca I think the head scarf is attractive. The only covering I find invasive to a woman is the burka as all it leave is an eyepiece to see through. That seems repressive to me. How is it repressive if they *want* to wear it?
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:01 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff Bouidicca I think the head scarf is attractive. The only covering I find invasive to a woman is the burka as all it leave is an eyepiece to see through. That seems repressive to me. How is it repressive if they *want* to wear it? I guess we'd have to find out if they really want to wear it or are saying so because they don't want to be killed. Are any of these women allowed to drive, be educated past the age of 13 or hold jobs? Islam is not supposed to be repressive, but the burka is widely seen as a symbol of that very thing. Especially when it seems they are worn in societies where women are more repressed and have less rights. I could be wrong. Some may enjoy living under the man's thumb, just like some Christian women seem to prefer. But I think many wish for more freedoms that their other Islamic counterparts have.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:57 pm
Bouidicca Violet Song jat Shariff Bouidicca I think the head scarf is attractive. The only covering I find invasive to a woman is the burka as all it leave is an eyepiece to see through. That seems repressive to me. How is it repressive if they *want* to wear it? I guess we'd have to find out if they really want to wear it or are saying so because they don't want to be killed. confused Kind of like seeing if all Christians actually love and follow YHVH or are just afraid of Hell, amirite? Do you know the basis of hijab and modesty in Islam? It's totally not like a Muslimah feels the more she covers the closer she is to Allah; of course she's only covered up because the big bad patriarchal society tells her to! Quote: Are any of these women allowed to drive, be educated past the age of 13 or hold jobs? What does that have to do with the topic? Women who don't cover can do all these things and sometimes I have to question how "free" they are. I am unsure where you live, but in areas that have a higher number of Muslims, it isn't unusual to see Muslimahs going about their daily business while completely covered. Quote: Islam is not supposed to be repressive, but the burka is widely seen as a symbol of that very thing. Especially when it seems they are worn in societies where women are more repressed and have less rights. I could be wrong. Of course; let's just go with what is seen as "common" and not actually take the time to understand that covering and dressing modestly is part of a Muslim woman's deen. So much easier. Quote: Some may enjoy living under the man's thumb, just like some Christian women seem to prefer. Please. Just stop. Your anti-Islamic bias is peeking out and I'm kind of disgusted. A Muslim woman is NOT living "under the man's thumb." Covering is part of her deen; it is what she feels/believes brings her closer to Allah and his will for her. Quote: But I think many wish for more freedoms that their other Islamic counterparts have. Well when you're a Muslimah living in one of these supposedly male-centric cultures, you can report back biggrin
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:05 am
I have a great deal of trouble considering wearing a scarf on your head "virtuous."
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