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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:35 pm
NFL's overtime procedures are expected to stay the same, but new rules designed to enhance player safety likely will be put in place for the 2009 season.
Those are among the highlights of what will be addressed -- along with big-picture items such as negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Association -- during the NFL Annual Meeting scheduled to begin Sunday in Dana Point, Calif., NFL.com has learned.
A source close to the NFL Competition Committee, which met last week in Naples, Fla., to discuss new rules proposals and other matters impacting the game's competitive structure, said the group is recommending to team owners that no changes be made to the current overtime system. Owners are expected to concur.
Some people within the league have suggested the team that wins the coin toss has an unfair advantage, prompting the committee to study the matter and consider revisions. Although there was no real possibility of the NFL adopting the college format that eliminates the kickoff and gives each team the ball from the opponent's 25-yard line, continuing play until there's a winner, the committee did review moving the kickoff from the 30- to the 35-yard line to help make the receiving team's field position less favorable.
However, according to the source, the committee was greatly persuaded by an emphatic opinion that players expressed through a league-wide survey that they didn't want any alterations to overtime (which, in the regular season, ends with the first score in the extra period or when the clock expires, resulting in a tie; for the postseason, teams continue to play 15-minute periods until the first score).
"The players just didn't want any fooling around with it at all," the source said.
Improving player safety is the primary motivation behind three recommendations that are expected to be approved in voting by all 32 team owners during the four-day meeting:
» A defender who hits a defenseless receiver in the head with his helmet or any part of his body will draw a 15-yard unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty and be subject to a fine from the NFL. Call this "The Anquan Boldin Rule." The Arizona Cardinals' wide receiver suffered a fracture of a facial bone that required surgery after a vicious helmet-to-helmet hit from New York Jets safety Eric Smith last season. Smith wasn't penalized, but he did draw a $50,000 fine and one-game suspension from the league.
» If a pass rusher, who is blocked into the quarterback's legs or into the ground on the way to the quarterback, continues to run or drives forcefully into the player, he'll draw a 15-yard unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty and be subject to a fine. Call this the "Tom Brady Rule." The New England Patriots' quarterback suffered a season-ending knee injury during the 2008 opener on a hit by Kansas City Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard, who claimed the contact happened by "accident" after he was blocked into Brady's leg. Patriots wide receiver Randy Moss disagreed, saying after the game the hit looked "dirty" to him.
» The "wedge," typically formed by the middle blockers on kickoff returns, might be outlawed because it has a long history of causing injuries.
In addition, the committee is recommending that instant replay -- which currently covers certain fumbles -- be expanded to include all fumble plays, including the "tuck rule," whereby a quarterback is deemed to have thrown an incomplete pass rather than fumbled if his arm is moving forward.
This is in response to referee Ed Hochuli's infamous decision last season to blow the whistle after determining, at first glance, that Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler had lost the ball late in a game against the San Diego Chargers via a tuck-rule incompletion. Replays showed that Cutler actually fumbled the ball and the Chargers recovered it, which would have sealed a San Diego victory. Instead, because the whistle had blown, the Broncos retained the ball and later scored a touchdown and a winning two-point conversion.
Under the committee's recommendation, officials will not blow a whistle on such plays. "So, if there's a loose ball, you play through the recovery, and the recovery can be adjudicated on replay," the source said.
Another change the committee is recommending is the elimination of a rule -- put in place at the urging of former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher -- that allows teams attempting an onside kick outside of the final five minutes of the game to have a second attempt if the ball goes out of bounds.
Cowher believed the rule was necessary to allow teams to attempt a surprise onside kick at early stages of the game rather than only while attempting a late comeback. Under the proposal, the receiving team would gain possession at the point the ball goes out of bounds.
"The committee came to view it as, 'Why should we reward failure?'" the source said. "If the guy can't kick the ball in bounds, that's his problem."
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:44 am
So many rules, so lil fun...
No Fun League
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:59 am
Yup. But there a real bunch of them that keep those players safe and for the fans to enjoy the game.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:40 pm
I'm happy that the league changed the NFL rulings about blowing a play dead with the whistle, and reviewing a fumble-incompletion. As we saw last season, a call like that can cost a team a game.
I am also fine with the current overtime rules. A defense should be able to win a game in OT as much as an offense and kicker.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:18 pm
Dude-LAP I'm happy that the league changed the NFL rulings about blowing a play dead with the whistle, and reviewing a fumble-incompletion. As we saw last season, a call like that can cost a team a game. I am also fine with the current overtime rules. A defense should be able to win a game in OT as much as an offense and kicker. Exactly. I hope that that does become implemented into rule. It can really screw teams over. But one other thing they should do is that with the mounting incidents of bogus/questionable penalties and non-calls, they should allow the teams to use their replay challenges for that as well. For instance, and I know this may sound homerist of me, but take the last quarter of the NFC Championship game. Long pass down the sidelines to Kevin Curtis and he was tripped. No call but should have been and obivious call. Stuff like that should be allowed to be challenged. By having it limited to the number of challenges given to the team, they still keep it under control. tired, so I hope I did not sound like I was rambling.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:40 pm
vegito61283 Dude-LAP I'm happy that the league changed the NFL rulings about blowing a play dead with the whistle, and reviewing a fumble-incompletion. As we saw last season, a call like that can cost a team a game. I am also fine with the current overtime rules. A defense should be able to win a game in OT as much as an offense and kicker. Exactly. I hope that that does become implemented into rule. It can really screw teams over. But one other thing they should do is that with the mounting incidents of bogus/questionable penalties and non-calls, they should allow the teams to use their replay challenges for that as well. For instance, and I know this may sound homerist of me, but take the last quarter of the NFC Championship game. Long pass down the sidelines to Kevin Curtis and he was tripped. No call but should have been and obivious call. Stuff like that should be allowed to be challenged. By having it limited to the number of challenges given to the team, they still keep it under control. tired, so I hope I did not sound like I was rambling. Well no sport is perfect. Rules are always made, and officials/referees make honest mistakes. Challenging penalties and non-calls makes sense, but the opposition is that it would question the integrity of officials, and drag the game out too long. That's one of the reasons why I find it hard to sit and watch an entire baseball game without getting bored. The game's duration is way too lengthy.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:09 pm
Dude-LAP vegito61283 Dude-LAP I'm happy that the league changed the NFL rulings about blowing a play dead with the whistle, and reviewing a fumble-incompletion. As we saw last season, a call like that can cost a team a game. I am also fine with the current overtime rules. A defense should be able to win a game in OT as much as an offense and kicker. Exactly. I hope that that does become implemented into rule. It can really screw teams over. But one other thing they should do is that with the mounting incidents of bogus/questionable penalties and non-calls, they should allow the teams to use their replay challenges for that as well. For instance, and I know this may sound homerist of me, but take the last quarter of the NFC Championship game. Long pass down the sidelines to Kevin Curtis and he was tripped. No call but should have been and obivious call. Stuff like that should be allowed to be challenged. By having it limited to the number of challenges given to the team, they still keep it under control. tired, so I hope I did not sound like I was rambling. Well no sport is perfect. Rules are always made, and officials/referees make honest mistakes. Challenging penalties and non-calls makes sense, but the opposition is that it would question the integrity of officials, and drag the game out too long. That's one of the reasons why I find it hard to sit and watch an entire baseball game without getting bored. The game's duration is way too lengthy. The one thing that annoys the hell outta me is the "ice the kicker" strategy. That needs to be outlawed, so damn annoying!!!
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:15 am
Dude-LAP vegito61283 Dude-LAP I'm happy that the league changed the NFL rulings about blowing a play dead with the whistle, and reviewing a fumble-incompletion. As we saw last season, a call like that can cost a team a game. I am also fine with the current overtime rules. A defense should be able to win a game in OT as much as an offense and kicker. Exactly. I hope that that does become implemented into rule. It can really screw teams over. But one other thing they should do is that with the mounting incidents of bogus/questionable penalties and non-calls, they should allow the teams to use their replay challenges for that as well. For instance, and I know this may sound homerist of me, but take the last quarter of the NFC Championship game. Long pass down the sidelines to Kevin Curtis and he was tripped. No call but should have been and obivious call. Stuff like that should be allowed to be challenged. By having it limited to the number of challenges given to the team, they still keep it under control. tired, so I hope I did not sound like I was rambling. Well no sport is perfect. Rules are always made, and officials/referees make honest mistakes. Challenging penalties and non-calls makes sense, but the opposition is that it would question the integrity of officials, and drag the game out too long. That's one of the reasons why I find it hard to sit and watch an entire baseball game without getting bored. The game's duration is way too lengthy. That is why I said to keep it to what they already have for the number of challenges. Plus this would make the officials have to be more sure about their calls because if they keep having their calls or non-calls over turned or called for them, then they will be having to look for a job due to their faults being shown to the league. It is a better checks and balances. And with it being kept to the same number of challanges they already have, they have to be careful about it as well as it not extending the game any more than would have if both teams used or not used their challenges.
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:05 pm
For the most part, I have no problem with these changes... For the most part. Sometimes I have to wait and see how they are implemented in an actual game before I can say if it was a good adjustment to the rules or not.
As for OT. I've never had a problem with the current system. And according to sources, last season only 43% of the teams that won the coin toss won on their first possession in OT, not even Half. Showing that Defenses can and still do get the job done. Besides, they are talking about safety for the players, if they extend OT to include more play by the opposing team to try and counter the first teams score, that would only increase the chance of further injury.
So for me, I'm satisfied with the current OT system, leave it as it is.
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:28 pm
vegito61283 Dude-LAP vegito61283 Dude-LAP I'm happy that the league changed the NFL rulings about blowing a play dead with the whistle, and reviewing a fumble-incompletion. As we saw last season, a call like that can cost a team a game. I am also fine with the current overtime rules. A defense should be able to win a game in OT as much as an offense and kicker. Exactly. I hope that that does become implemented into rule. It can really screw teams over. But one other thing they should do is that with the mounting incidents of bogus/questionable penalties and non-calls, they should allow the teams to use their replay challenges for that as well. For instance, and I know this may sound homerist of me, but take the last quarter of the NFC Championship game. Long pass down the sidelines to Kevin Curtis and he was tripped. No call but should have been and obivious call. Stuff like that should be allowed to be challenged. By having it limited to the number of challenges given to the team, they still keep it under control. tired, so I hope I did not sound like I was rambling. Well no sport is perfect. Rules are always made, and officials/referees make honest mistakes. Challenging penalties and non-calls makes sense, but the opposition is that it would question the integrity of officials, and drag the game out too long. That's one of the reasons why I find it hard to sit and watch an entire baseball game without getting bored. The game's duration is way too lengthy. That is why I said to keep it to what they already have for the number of challenges. Plus this would make the officials have to be more sure about their calls because if they keep having their calls or non-calls over turned or called for them, then they will be having to look for a job due to their faults being shown to the league. It is a better checks and balances. And with it being kept to the same number of challanges they already have, they have to be careful about it as well as it not extending the game any more than would have if both teams used or not used their challenges. I don't think that you should be able to challenge a call or non-call, because that deals with the morality of the officials. It should be up to the referees to decide among themselves, whether to review it or not. Just like baseball has recently done. Because I've seen teams burn up challenges early in a game, coming across a needed overturn later on, but short on their ammo. I don't know, it's weird. I want the game to be played fairly with honesty, but at the same time I don't want the game to get much longer.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:35 pm
Unfortunately there have been a bunch more showings of the honesty of the calls anymore. We keep seeing on the replays that the ball clearly was a fumble, or that was clearly a legal hit or so forth and such which. I guess what I am trying to say here, is that by allowing teams to do that, it will force the refs to be more consistent and more honest about their calls and non-calls. Plus teams always have to weigh the risk of burning that challenge. Just another tool for them to use it on and make the game a bit more interesting. Think about it, there were a few games last year that both teams used both their time outs including the one being granted their third one and still using that as well. It would not make the game any longer by granting the team the ability to challenge a penalty as well as any other challengable call.
Hope I didnt ramble too much. Just got home from work and way too tired.
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:02 pm
vegito61283 Unfortunately there have been a bunch more showings of the honesty of the calls anymore. We keep seeing on the replays that the ball clearly was a fumble, or that was clearly a legal hit or so forth and such which. I guess what I am trying to say here, is that by allowing teams to do that, it will force the refs to be more consistent and more honest about their calls and non-calls. Plus teams always have to weigh the risk of burning that challenge. Just another tool for them to use it on and make the game a bit more interesting. Think about it, there were a few games last year that both teams used both their time outs including the one being granted their third one and still using that as well. It would not make the game any longer by granting the team the ability to challenge a penalty as well as any other challengable call. Hope I didnt ramble too much. Just got home from work and way too tired. A challenge usually represents a replay for a physical error on the football field, based on pure factual evidence. I doubt that the NFL will implement the ability to challenge penalties like late hits and holdings, because it's pure judgment, and up to the referee to get it right. ...And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Eagles-Redskins game last season have like the Eagles lose their timeouts and a challenge, so they weren't able to stop the clock for one last play? Or it might have been another game.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:13 pm
Ok, on the rule changes I for the most part like the rule changes except.. How much can you change the rules before it's a whole different game.. I mean you can barely scrub a QB's helmet and get a foul called, now if your a defender and you get knocked to the ground you have to stand back up before you can initiate contact with the quarteback, it's ridiculous..
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:31 pm
IndianapolisColtsFan Ok, on the rule changes I for the most part like the rule changes except.. How much can you change the rules before it's a whole different game.. I mean you can barely scrub a QB's helmet and get a foul called, now if your a defender and you get knocked to the ground you have to stand back up before you can initiate contact with the quarteback, it's ridiculous.. Changing the game is a problem. But the next thing that Goodell wants to do really bothers me. He wants to make an 18 game season... Not only will game quality go down a bit, and more injuries will occur, but it will take a toll on the game's recent history. No longer will great season and career stats be untouchable, with an extra two games added per year. No longer will the Patriots' 16-0 be the best possible regular season record. There's a lot more to that.
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