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Good Move by The Buccaneers?
Yes! (The Browns are retards!)
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TheDukeMan70

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:31 am


Offensive Coup: Bucs Trade for Winslow

Feb 27, 2009 - On the first day of the NFL's 2009 free agency period, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers acquired one of the league's rising offensive stars…without actually dipping into the free agent pool.

The Buccaneers acquired former Cleveland tight end Kellen Winslow II on Friday, completing a late-morning trade by sending undisclosed draft picks to the Browns. The sixth overall pick in the 2004 draft, Winslow has had two 80-catch seasons in the last three years and is considered one of the most talented players at his position in the NFL.

Injuries limited Winslow to 10 games and 43 receptions in 2008, but he played in all 32 games during the 2006-07 seasons and produced a total of 171 catches for 1981 yards and eight touchdowns. In 2006, he led all NFL tight ends and finished ninth in the league overall with 89 receptions, turning them into 875 yards and three scores. He was even more of a threat in 2007, with seven fewer receptions but 1,106 yards, an average of 13.5 yards per catch and five TDs.


Winslow was one of the most coveted players in the 2004 draft, but he lost most of his first two seasons to leg injuries. He appeared in just two games in 2004, catching five passes for 50 yards, and missed the 2005 season entirely. However, upon returning to full health in 2006 he made an instant and enormous impact on the Browns, leading the team in receiving in each of the next two years. His 89 receptions in 2006 tied a team record for tight ends set by Hall of Famer Ozzie Newsome.

Overall, in 44 career games (40 starts), Winslow has racked up 219 receptions for 2,459 yards and 11 touchdowns. As a reference, those averages of 5.0 receptions and 55.9 yards per game compare favorably to the averages put up by five-time Pro Bowler Antonio Gates and 10-time Pro Bowler Tony Gonzalez. Gates has career averages of 4.3 receptions and 54.5 yards per game, while Gonzalez has career marks of 4.8 and 57.6. Obviously Gates and Gonzalez, considered the gold standards at their position in the modern era, have accrued much larger overall numbers over a longer period of sustained success, but Winslow's recent accomplishments and young age – he won't turn 26 until just before training camp – hold significant promise.

In the immediate future, Winslow has an opportunity to bring a more explosive element to the Buccaneers' offense than any tight end has in team history. Tampa Bay's single-season records for tight ends are 62 receptions (Jackie Harris, 1995) and 786 yards (Jimmie Giles, 1981). The Buccaneers' last Pro Bowl tight end was Giles, who was selected to four all-star games in the early 1980's, is the team's third all-time leading receiver and is considered the top player at his position in franchise history. Harris is the last Buccaneer tight end to reach the 40-catch plateau in a season.


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" Today's trade with Cleveland fits in with the new direction we are trying to establish for the Buccaneers franchise. We are very excited to add an explosive, dynamic playmaker to our team. We believe Coach Morris and and his staff will be able to get the most out of Kellen's talents."
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That's not to say that the Buccaneers' tight end position hasn't been a valuable position in recent years. Alex Smith has developed into a steady and productive two-way force since he was drafted in the third round in 2005, averaging 30 catches a season and providing strong blocking. Former Chicago Bear John Gilmore, also acquired on the opening day of free agency a year ago, is regarded as one of the league's top blocking tight ends and gave the Bucs bonus pass-catching returns with a career high 15 receptions for 147 yards and a touchdown in 2008. Tampa Bay's leading receiver among tight ends last year, Jerramy Stevens (36-397-2) became an unrestricted free agent on Friday.

Even under new leadership, the Buccaneers continue to use the trade option perhaps more than any other team in the NFL. In just the last six years they have acquired via trade such players as running backs Thomas Jones and Michael Bennett; wide receiver Joey Galloway, quarterbacks Luke McCown, Tim Rattay and Brian Griese; and defensive tackle Ryan Sims. They have also acquired additional draft picks or other assets by trading wide receivers Marquise Walker, Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell; tackle Roman Oben; guard Jason Whittle; and defensive tackle Anthony ******** YES! We couldnt tie up Haynesworth, but we got a big threat on the offensive side of the ball to help out!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:56 pm


Now the browns will be even worse

DIRE SWORD WOUND


Austin Shipp

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:18 pm


duke, can you explain what happened to alex smith, i thought he was TBs TE of the future
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:07 am


Austin Shipp
duke, can you explain what happened to alex smith, i thought he was TBs TE of the future

Why worry about Smith when you can have Winslow? wink

IndianapolisColtsFan


TheDukeMan70

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:56 am


IndianapolisColtsFan
Austin Shipp
duke, can you explain what happened to alex smith, i thought he was TBs TE of the future

Why worry about Smith when you can have Winslow? wink


As far as I know Alex Smith is still on the roster. When you have a chance to get a player that is as good as Winslow, you dont pass it up, espically for a 2nd round pick and a 5th in 2010. Smith is a great TE and he will still get playing time, Tampa often runs a 2 TE set. I expect Smith to get some TD's this year. I'm excited, 2 TE's that can make plays (dont forget about jeremy stevens). This will help Tampa Bays offense so much. Look for the Bucs to score some points this year offensively.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:16 am


Duke_619
IndianapolisColtsFan
Austin Shipp
duke, can you explain what happened to alex smith, i thought he was TBs TE of the future

Why worry about Smith when you can have Winslow? wink


As far as I know Alex Smith is still on the roster. When you have a chance to get a player that is as good as Winslow, you dont pass it up, espically for a 2nd round pick and a 5th in 2010. Smith is a great TE and he will still get playing time, Tampa often runs a 2 TE set. I expect Smith to get some TD's this year. I'm excited, 2 TE's that can make plays (dont forget about jeremy stevens). This will help Tampa Bays offense so much. Look for the Bucs to score some points this year offensively.

I just don't know with the Buccaneers quarterback issue, they do have McCown, who can produce offensively, but is he good enough? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

IndianapolisColtsFan


TheDukeMan70

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:21 am


IndianapolisColtsFan
Duke_619
IndianapolisColtsFan
Austin Shipp
duke, can you explain what happened to alex smith, i thought he was TBs TE of the future

Why worry about Smith when you can have Winslow? wink


As far as I know Alex Smith is still on the roster. When you have a chance to get a player that is as good as Winslow, you dont pass it up, espically for a 2nd round pick and a 5th in 2010. Smith is a great TE and he will still get playing time, Tampa often runs a 2 TE set. I expect Smith to get some TD's this year. I'm excited, 2 TE's that can make plays (dont forget about jeremy stevens). This will help Tampa Bays offense so much. Look for the Bucs to score some points this year offensively.

I just don't know with the Buccaneers quarterback issue, they do have McCown, who can produce offensively, but is he good enough? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


McCown is young but he has a cannon and he can throw extremely well on the run. Dont forget that there is Brian gresie and Josh Johnson who will be in the running for the starting job, and another QB could be picked up at any time (including Jeff Garcia, which some sports writers are mumbling that he could return despite what has been reported)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:14 pm


Duke_619
IndianapolisColtsFan
Duke_619
IndianapolisColtsFan
Austin Shipp
duke, can you explain what happened to alex smith, i thought he was TBs TE of the future

Why worry about Smith when you can have Winslow? wink


As far as I know Alex Smith is still on the roster. When you have a chance to get a player that is as good as Winslow, you dont pass it up, espically for a 2nd round pick and a 5th in 2010. Smith is a great TE and he will still get playing time, Tampa often runs a 2 TE set. I expect Smith to get some TD's this year. I'm excited, 2 TE's that can make plays (dont forget about jeremy stevens). This will help Tampa Bays offense so much. Look for the Bucs to score some points this year offensively.

I just don't know with the Buccaneers quarterback issue, they do have McCown, who can produce offensively, but is he good enough? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


McCown is young but he has a cannon and he can throw extremely well on the run. Dont forget that there is Brian gresie and Josh Johnson who will be in the running for the starting job, and another QB could be picked up at any time (including Jeff Garcia, which some sports writers are mumbling that he could return despite what has been reported)
I love Josh Johnson, I think he should no-doubt end up as a starting QB in the league.

IndianapolisColtsFan


Dude-LAP

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:27 pm


Getting Winslow was a good move by the Bucs. But since they let Garcia go and won't be getting Cassel, they are without a QB that can make an impact.

...Anyways, the releasing of all the Tampa Bay players earlier this week outweighs the positive of this move, so the Buccaneers are still on the decline.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:27 pm


Dude-LAP
Getting Winslow was a good move by the Bucs. But since they let Garcia go and won't be getting Cassel, they are without a QB that can make an impact.

...Anyways, the releasing of all the Tampa Bay players earlier this week outweighs the positive of this move, so the Buccaneers are still on the decline.


While what you said is true Winslow made what happened 2 a few days before not as bad. I agree with the release of Galloway, and Hilliard, maybee Dunn, but Cato and Brooks should still be Buccaneers.

Tampa still has a lot of offseason left.


Dont be suprised if Josh Johnson is the starting Qb next season, the kid has potential

TheDukeMan70


Dude-LAP

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:43 pm


Duke_619
Dude-LAP
Getting Winslow was a good move by the Bucs. But since they let Garcia go and won't be getting Cassel, they are without a QB that can make an impact.

...Anyways, the releasing of all the Tampa Bay players earlier this week outweighs the positive of this move, so the Buccaneers are still on the decline.


While what you said is true Winslow made what happened 2 a few days before not as bad. I agree with the release of Galloway, and Hilliard, maybee Dunn, but Cato and Brooks should still be Buccaneers.

Tampa still has a lot of offseason left.


Dont be suprised if Josh Johnson is the starting Qb next season, the kid has potential


Well all those releases really backfired, when the Bucs weren't able to sign either Haynesworth or Vilma. Tampa Bay had the highest amount of salary cap space in the league. I think it was close to $61 million.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:24 am


Dude-LAP
Duke_619
Dude-LAP
Getting Winslow was a good move by the Bucs. But since they let Garcia go and won't be getting Cassel, they are without a QB that can make an impact.

...Anyways, the releasing of all the Tampa Bay players earlier this week outweighs the positive of this move, so the Buccaneers are still on the decline.


While what you said is true Winslow made what happened 2 a few days before not as bad. I agree with the release of Galloway, and Hilliard, maybee Dunn, but Cato and Brooks should still be Buccaneers.

Tampa still has a lot of offseason left.


Dont be suprised if Josh Johnson is the starting Qb next season, the kid has potential


Well all those releases really backfired, when the Bucs weren't able to sign either Haynesworth or Vilma. Tampa Bay had the highest amount of salary cap space in the league. I think it was close to $61 million.


well apparently the Skins had more money from somewhere, because it came to the fact that we couldnt give Haynesworth enough.

I think we'll be fine, we'll get what we need, and if things dont go too well this year, with another year of Free Agency the Bucs will be fine.

TheDukeMan70


Dude-LAP

PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:23 pm


Duke_619
Dude-LAP
Duke_619
Dude-LAP
Getting Winslow was a good move by the Bucs. But since they let Garcia go and won't be getting Cassel, they are without a QB that can make an impact.

...Anyways, the releasing of all the Tampa Bay players earlier this week outweighs the positive of this move, so the Buccaneers are still on the decline.


While what you said is true Winslow made what happened 2 a few days before not as bad. I agree with the release of Galloway, and Hilliard, maybee Dunn, but Cato and Brooks should still be Buccaneers.

Tampa still has a lot of offseason left.


Dont be suprised if Josh Johnson is the starting Qb next season, the kid has potential


Well all those releases really backfired, when the Bucs weren't able to sign either Haynesworth or Vilma. Tampa Bay had the highest amount of salary cap space in the league. I think it was close to $61 million.


well apparently the Skins had more money from somewhere, because it came to the fact that we couldnt give Haynesworth enough.

I think we'll be fine, we'll get what we need, and if things dont go too well this year, with another year of Free Agency the Bucs will be fine.


I personally find that hard to believe. They let go of a QB that is still playing at a high level, despite his age. They tossed many franchise players, that meant a lot to the character in Tampa. Also, they failed to sign their top targets so far, this free agency.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:19 pm


Pssh, wont help them out much. He sucked last season with the Browns. Maybe he'll do good with a better Qb though...

I'd say that It would be a good move if they also get Warner. A decent Qb. But on the downside, he'll probably retire soon though.

Just A Black Cat


Dude-LAP

PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:06 pm


MeXiCaN cOoKiE Football
Pssh, wont help them out much. He sucked last season with the Browns. Maybe he'll do good with a better Qb though...

I'd say that It would be a good move if they also get Warner. A decent Qb. But on the downside, he'll probably retire soon though.


Winslow is one of the most physically talented tight ends that we've seen. He has great hands, he's tough, and he runs good routes. He plays like a big receiver on the inside. He didn't do so well last season, because the Browns were horrible from top to bottom, and didn't give him a supporting cast.

Anyways, I don't think there's any chance that Warner somehow goes to the Buccaneers.
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