Can you be SURE your going to heaven? Yes!

[divineseraph]

Jews DON'T believe Jesus was the messiah. That's what makes them jews.  

[Aquiella]

rofl rofl rofl rofl
Oh my gosh! I can't believe you guys are going nuts over this!

I never SAID works weren't important. I said not to focus on them at the moment.

My goal is to get people SAVED. I'm not concerned about works AT THE MOMENT.

You all agree that Faith is the most important. I agree too.

You all agree that Faith without works is empty. I agree with that too.

But many people get caught up on that point when wanting to get saved. I'm trying to simplify the process and make the Faith part as easy as possible.

Infact, I'm getting confused about it and slightly frustrated just listening to you guys trying to explain it. *uncrosses eyes*

Which is needed first? Faith or works? Without Faith works are meaningless. so works CAN'T come first! Faith is empty without works? Yes. But that means that Faith should come before works.

If faith comes first, then shouldn't we focus on getting people to believe before they start worrying about what works they should do?

That's my point. Works come later. Focus on Faith right now. Once you got that part down, which I've simplified, the rest follows.  

[ShideKnight]

Leave it to me to go off on some tangent that isn't terribly important at the end, to have someone reel attention back to the things that really are important... rolleyes heart  

[divineseraph]

Being saved requires works, not Jesus.  

[ShideKnight]

divineseraph

Being saved requires works, not Jesus.

So now I am wondering, what exactly do you believe? Rough outline?  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

divineseraph

Being saved requires works, not Jesus.

But there's a verse that says :You cannot go to my father without going through me"  

[Aquiella]

Could you please move this conversation to another area? I'd like this to remain a topic on how to get saved and not turn into some debate about what you believe gets someone saved.

If you don't mind? Thank you!
~Aquiella
Trying her hardest to remain polite.  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

Aquiella

Could you please move this conversation to another area? I'd like this to remain a topic on how to get saved and not turn into some debate about what you believe gets someone saved.

If you don't mind? Thank you!
~Aquiella
Trying her hardest to remain polite.

What do you expect. Not every sect of Christianity agrees on the same idea of getting saved. In fact it is what they argue most over.  

[divineseraph]

Dark Angel Rai

divineseraph

Being saved requires works, not Jesus.

But there's a verse that says :You cannot go to my father without going through me"

Through me. Could this not mean through his actions and examples? You can't get to heaven but through the Ten Commandments either, but you're not expected to pray to the carved stone tablets.  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

divineseraph

Dark Angel Rai

divineseraph

Being saved requires works, not Jesus.

But there's a verse that says :You cannot go to my father without going through me"

Through me. Could this not mean through his actions and examples? You can't get to heaven but through the Ten Commandments either, but you're not expected to pray to the carved stone tablets.

Many will say that without accepting Jesus as the lord and savior, you cannot go to Heaven.  

[SUPERSQUIRRELX]

Well I'm fairly certain 3nodding . Unless there's a drastic error in the Bible or something.  

[tigerflute]

divineseraph

Being saved requires works, not Jesus.

This is completely false, it's the other way around. Being saved requires Jesus, not works. Works cannot save you, it is only through believing that Jesus is God and asking him to forgive your sins and be your Lord and Savior that you can be saved. Doing good works is good, but it will not save you. Salvation comes through Jesus.  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

tigerflute

divineseraph

Being saved requires works, not Jesus.

This is completely false, it's the other way around. Being saved requires Jesus, not works. Works cannot save you, it is only through believing that Jesus is God and asking him to forgive your sins and be your Lord and Savior that you can be saved. Doing good works is good, but it will not save you. Salvation comes through Jesus.

Being saved requires both faith and works. Without works faith is nothing. And without faith works is nothing. It's a balance like anything else in this world.  

[tigerflute]

Dark Angel Rai

tigerflute

divineseraph

Being saved requires works, not Jesus.

This is completely false, it's the other way around. Being saved requires Jesus, not works. Works cannot save you, it is only through believing that Jesus is God and asking him to forgive your sins and be your Lord and Savior that you can be saved. Doing good works is good, but it will not save you. Salvation comes through Jesus.

Being saved requires both faith and works. Without works faith is nothing. And without faith works is nothing. It's a balance like anything else in this world.

Being saved does not require both faith and works. For example, if a person accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, asked Him to forgive their sins, and gave up their life to Him right before they died, they would be saved and go to Heaven. It would not matter that they had not done any good works. God does not want your good works he wants YOU. No amount of good works will ever save you.  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

tigerflute

Dark Angel Rai

tigerflute

divineseraph

Being saved requires works, not Jesus.

This is completely false, it's the other way around. Being saved requires Jesus, not works. Works cannot save you, it is only through believing that Jesus is God and asking him to forgive your sins and be your Lord and Savior that you can be saved. Doing good works is good, but it will not save you. Salvation comes through Jesus.

Being saved requires both faith and works. Without works faith is nothing. And without faith works is nothing. It's a balance like anything else in this world.

Being saved does not require both faith and works. For example, if a person accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, asked Him to forgive their sins, and gave up their life to Him right before they died, they would be saved and go to Heaven. It would not matter that they had not done any good works. God does not want your good works he wants YOU. No amount of good works will ever save you.

That's a common misconception. Just because you accept Jesus doesn't mean you don't sin any more or any less. People let that pride get to their heads and that is what makes them fall from grace in a sense.