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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:09 pm
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Something has been bothering me for a while.
A couple months ago a girl that goes to my church started having seizures, the kind where one whole side of your body twitches every few seconds. This has been going on for a while now, and as far as I know, it has continued to the present.
But here's the thing... almost everyone in the church has been praying for her to be healed. Laying on hands, prayer, everything. I can't recall the scripture offhand, but I remember hearing that Jesus said that if we believe him, then we would be able to cast out demons and heal like he did.
I can't speak for the faith of everyone in my church, but I know there are at least some that have strong faith, and it has been starting to bother me more and more. Isn't there another scripture that tells us to lay on hands and pray? So why do I get the impression that it just isn't working like it's suppost to?
I just wonder, is there something that we're missing? Whatever people have to add I would like to hear. If it's true that Jesus has passed his ability to heal on to us (and I think it is), then I think we should know how to access it. Maybe the way with think about faith and the world has changed too much in recent times? More than just this one case though, if Jesus did pass the ability to heal onto us, we should be the people that others come to for healing.
I was looking through my bible just before making this post, and I came up with a short list here from the NLT that are related to the topic:
Luke 8:43-48 43 And there was a woman in the crowd who had had a hemorrhage for twelve years. She had spent everything she had on doctors [fn] and still could find no cure 44 She came up behind Jesus and touched the fringe of his robe. Immediately, the bleeding stopped 45 "Who touched me?" Jesus asked. Everyone denied it, and Peter said, "Master, this whole crowd is pressing up against you." 46 But Jesus told him, "No, someone deliberately touched me, for I felt healing power go out from me." 47 When the woman realized that Jesus knew, she began to tremble and fell to her knees before him. The whole crowd heard her explain why she had touched him and that she had been immediately healed. 48 "Daughter," he said to her, "your faith has made you well. Go in peace."
Luke 9:49-50 49 John said to Jesus, "Master, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons. We tried to stop him because he isn't in our group." 50 But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is for you."
Luke 17:6 "Even if you had faith as small as a mustard seed," the Lord answered, "you could say to this mulberry tree, `May God uproot you and throw you into the sea,' and it would obey you!
Mat 21:21-22 21 Then Jesus told them, "I assure you, if you have faith and don't doubt, you can do things like this and much more. You can even say to this mountain, `May God lift you up and throw you into the sea,' and it will happen. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:31 am
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:47 am
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:42 am
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:54 am
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ShideKnight Dark Angel Rai What she has isn't demons but a serious psychological condition called Epilepsy. Epilepsy is when you have seizures that make your whole body twitch. It also can make you have delusions of grandeur. What she needs isn't "faith healing" but to see a psychologist, and or a neurologist. I don't believe in faith healing because the conditions for these things are serious psychological disorders and people mistake them for demons. People did that back when the Bible was written because they had no idea what went on in the human mind nor did they have the understanding for it. Those that claimed to see demons or looked like they were possessed by demons probably had schizophrenia or epilepsy. It's best to look up both and treatments for both for this girl at your church it can and will help here. I should of mentioned that she had been seeking traditional medical treatments also, and that to my knowledge, none of those have worked. Aside from that, if it is a symptom that comes from something in the physical body (chemical imbalance, nerves misfiring, etc) I think it would fall under the disease portion, if not the demons portion. It's not a disease. It's a disorder of the CNS or Central Nervous System. Read the articles on it: http://www.epilepsy.com/EPILEPSY/epilepsy_brain . I believe the "cure" for epliepsy is medication but a split brain surgery. I can't remember. >.<. But there is also another article on the history of Epliepsy one of which comes from the Bible and tells of Jesus healing a young man that has epilepsy. http://www.epilepsy.com/EPILEPSY/history
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:34 am
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Just because someone is prayed for, doesn't mean they will be healed.
They will be healed (through traditional medicine, or miraculously) if GOD decides to heal them - and sometimes he doesn't.
2 Corinthians 12:7-10 And to keep me from being too elated by the abundance of revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. Three times I besought the Lord about this, that it should leave me; but he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." I will all the more gladly boast of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
Sometimes it is for the greater good that a person is not healed.
God isn't a celestial slot machine, put prayer in one way and out comes a healing.
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:10 pm
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Dark Angel Rai ShideKnight Dark Angel Rai What she has isn't demons but a serious psychological condition called Epilepsy. Epilepsy is when you have seizures that make your whole body twitch. It also can make you have delusions of grandeur. What she needs isn't "faith healing" but to see a psychologist, and or a neurologist. I don't believe in faith healing because the conditions for these things are serious psychological disorders and people mistake them for demons. People did that back when the Bible was written because they had no idea what went on in the human mind nor did they have the understanding for it. Those that claimed to see demons or looked like they were possessed by demons probably had schizophrenia or epilepsy. It's best to look up both and treatments for both for this girl at your church it can and will help here. I should of mentioned that she had been seeking traditional medical treatments also, and that to my knowledge, none of those have worked. Aside from that, if it is a symptom that comes from something in the physical body (chemical imbalance, nerves misfiring, etc) I think it would fall under the disease portion, if not the demons portion. It's not a disease. It's a disorder of the CNS or Central Nervous System. Read the articles on it: http://www.epilepsy.com/EPILEPSY/epilepsy_brain . I believe the "cure" for epliepsy is medication but a split brain surgery. I can't remember. >.<. But there is also another article on the history of Epliepsy one of which comes from the Bible and tells of Jesus healing a young man that has epilepsy. http://www.epilepsy.com/EPILEPSY/history
Well... there you go. Demon or disease or disorder, it's all the same in the end, don't you think? I suspect the categories only matter to science anyways.
I had a friend in middle school and high school who had epilepsy. I think she had taken medicine as well... and then just ended up getting the surgery to stop her seizures.
By the way... nice avatar changes ^_^
Sybil Unrest Just because someone is prayed for, doesn't mean they will be healed. They will be healed (through traditional medicine, or miraculously) if GOD decides to heal them - and sometimes he doesn't. 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 And to keep me from being too elated by the abundance of revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. Three times I besought the Lord about this, that it should leave me; but he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." I will all the more gladly boast of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong.Sometimes it is for the greater good that a person is not healed. God isn't a celestial slot machine, put prayer in one way and out comes a healing.
Yes, but at the same time the whole faith is based around the idea that God has a heart for us to heal us and make us whole. It is said that complete healing will not come until Heaven, but it is also said that we can begin to receive his blessings here on Earth, and health is suppost to be one of those blessings, right?
My intuition says that something might be in the way, that's all. I mean, if there is something in the way, then we should get rid of it so we can build God's kingdom on Earth more effectively.
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:33 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:43 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:04 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:34 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:05 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:18 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:49 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:41 pm
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Well none of you are doctors so none can say whats up. I am not a doctor either and while a lot of epilepsy is triggered by things and is hard ot find the right medications for, it can be controlled. Its not something to be healed or cured with prayer and laying of hands. Thats just bogus and stupid. Yes we can heal, thorugh music, love and laughter, and medical science. She may have a really ersistant and stubborn form of epilepsy and there are ways to help. BUt yeah none of us are doctors and we don't have her patient files in front of us so we relaly can't say that medicines will never work. And Aquiella, whikle yes things happen and go for a reason, leaving it all up to God is not the way to do it. And well, agian we can heal. Not wiht layingo f hands and a lot of useless prayer, but through science and our own ingenuity. Herbs, medications, treatments. We can heal, just not in the wonderous biblical way.
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