RELIGEON EXPLORER!

[Golden Wolf Queen]

Hello, though I am not a member of this guild, I do feel like exploring!
Yes, I explore religions! And, no, it is not a stupid thing! So far, I have gone through buddah, hindi, alot of chinese and india religions. Native American too. But now, I am going to explore the pagan religions. The most popular pagan religions is "Wicca". Now, my research told me that it is all about nature and peace. So, I am going around asking other reiligious guilds/disscusions on there opinion on pagan/wicca.

 

[Lady Kayura]

So wouldn't that make you a Religion Explorer?  

[Mountain Rose]

Hmm, you know, I figured that if I weren't a Christian, I would be Wiccan. However, I am a Christian, so I think it is a sin to worship their god and goddess, and cast spells, no matter how good your intentions.  

[We Dont Negotiate]

Wicca is a completely uncreditied religion, barely seventy years old, created by a Scholar for his sexual needs by peicing together bits of other religions (Hinduism, General Nordic, Satanism, Budhism) and by making up a hell of a lot more.

It has few to none actual links with any real pagan ancestory, if anything its a cheap revival.

Dont get me wrong, it has a lovely General Intent, it just falls short in credibilit Depth and scripture, not to mention in just seventy years it has all ready sprouted out to just over 19 recgonised branches, hunreds more if you just include singular Covens.

Excpet for the Wiccan Rede(which i add changes from reading to reading) they have no basic Tennants or shared belife. Belife in there Lord and Lady is not even Mandatory, some beliving they are Aspects of One true power, other even adding in Kemetic, and Olymian Gods to the mix.

As for there magic, it is an extremely watterd down form of Shamanism for "made easy" quick fixes, it doesnt even have the decency to have the Depth of Kaballah.

Yea, thats what i think  

[Ricette]

Wicca? Its okay, though its been pretending to be an ancient religion since 1957. I personally am following Druidry. It has a better base and to me, a better concept.

Wicca has no real tenets to follow and all it really has is the Rede which is not really enough.  

[Golden Wolf Queen]

We Dont Negotiate

Wicca is a completely uncreditied religion, barely seventy years old, created by a Scholar for his sexual needs by peicing together bits of other religions (Hinduism, General Nordic, Satanism, Budhism) and by making up a hell of a lot more.

It has few to none actual links with any real pagan ancestory, if anything its a cheap revival.

Dont get me wrong, it has a lovely General Intent, it just falls short in credibilit Depth and scripture, not to mention in just seventy years it has all ready sprouted out to just over 19 recgonised branches, hunreds more if you just include singular Covens.

Excpet for the Wiccan Rede(which i add changes from reading to reading) they have no basic Tennants or shared belife. Belife in there Lord and Lady is not even Mandatory, some beliving they are Aspects of One true power, other even adding in Kemetic, and Olymian Gods to the mix.

As for there magic, it is an extremely watterd down form of Shamanism for "made easy" quick fixes, it doesnt even have the decency to have the Depth of Kaballah.

Yea, thats what i think

I acctualy reaserched that up, that would be the creation of Neo-wicca.

Wicca, the real kind, do not do those "spells" no, thats for crazy people. The real wicca is pretty old acctualy. I think its maybe... i dunno, just a little older than christianity, just by a little bit... i dunno... I would say about...10 years apart.
See, I read up my facts before I get into something. (Thats why I am an honor student)  

[We Dont Negotiate]

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We Dont Negotiate

Wicca is a completely uncreditied religion, barely seventy years old, created by a Scholar for his sexual needs by peicing together bits of other religions (Hinduism, General Nordic, Satanism, Budhism) and by making up a hell of a lot more.

It has few to none actual links with any real pagan ancestory, if anything its a cheap revival.

Dont get me wrong, it has a lovely General Intent, it just falls short in credibilit Depth and scripture, not to mention in just seventy years it has all ready sprouted out to just over 19 recgonised branches, hunreds more if you just include singular Covens.

Excpet for the Wiccan Rede(which i add changes from reading to reading) they have no basic Tennants or shared belife. Belife in there Lord and Lady is not even Mandatory, some beliving they are Aspects of One true power, other even adding in Kemetic, and Olymian Gods to the mix.

As for there magic, it is an extremely watterd down form of Shamanism for "made easy" quick fixes, it doesnt even have the decency to have the Depth of Kaballah.

Yea, thats what i think

I acctualy reaserched that up, that would be the creation of Neo-wicca.

Wicca, the real kind, do not do those "spells" no, thats for crazy people. The real wicca is pretty old acctualy. I think its maybe... i dunno, just a little older than christianity, just by a little bit... i dunno... I would say about...10 years apart.
See, I read up my facts before I get into something. (Thats why I am an honor student)

Im afraid not , Wicca is a spin of eighth century gaelic meaning "Wise ones" Gardner coined the term. It comes up "nowhere" in the annals of history as anything else other than describing wise elders(not related to paganism or withcraft) untill 1947 when Gardner founded his Pesudo-Pagan religion. While some half assed Pagan nature religions could indeed have existed before Christianity they bare no relation to Wicca, save possibly what Gardner and his cult Canabalised for there own purposes.

Where you get your facts from i have no idea.

Edit: More background information
Many of the rituals and precepts that he promoted can be shown to have come from the writings of earlier occultists (such as Aleister Crowley) and other writers (including Rudyard Kipling and Sir James Frazer). The remaining original material is uncohesive, and mostly takes the form of substitutions or expansions within unoriginal material. Roger Dearnaley describes Gardner's texts as a "patchwork".

Most if not all of the elements of Gardner's version of events have subsequently been questioned, including the very existence of the New Forest coven. It has been posited by authors such as Aidan Kelly and Francis X. King that Gardner invented the witch rituals in their entirety, incorporating elements from the writings of Dr. Margaret Murray, incantations from Aradia and practices deriving from ceremonial magic. Some of Gardner's historical claims are consistent with ideas that were current in the earlier part of the 20th century but are in conflict with later scholarship. The idea of a supreme Mother Goddess, for example, was common in Victorian and Edwardian literature: the concept of a Horned God — especially related to the gods Pan or Faunus — was less common, but still significant. Both of these ideas were widely accepted in academic literature and the popular press at the time, but were later to be prooved false.  

[Tornadomaster_Auron]

Um......Would this lovely banter be considered off topic? And yes, it is good to see someone out there studying other religions. I only got around to exploring ancient Norse mythology (yes, there are still people who worship Odin and Thor and all those.) before I was turned onto the path of Christianity  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

Tornadomaster_Auron

Um......Would this lovely banter be considered off topic? And yes, it is good to see someone out there studying other religions. I only got around to exploring ancient Norse mythology (yes, there are still people who worship Odin and Thor and all those.) before I was turned onto the path of Christianity

The topic is asking bout what people think of Wicca.

I think it's good if a pagan learns bout other religions or a Christian to learn about other religions while looking from the inside instead of the outside. It shows intelligence and tolerance of others. Cultural relativism < ethnocentrisim. Who knows all the different Pagan Gods and Goddesses could be the same as the Christian God.

Wicca and Christianity have similar concepts. Wicca is about loving all things in nature (trees, flowers, animals, people, even that annoying kid down the street that you want to punch) and Christianity is about loving everyone.

And if it harm none, do what ye will=Love thy neighbor.  

[Gerbil_of_the_Vashness]

Dark Angel Rai

Tornadomaster_Auron

Um......Would this lovely banter be considered off topic? And yes, it is good to see someone out there studying other religions. I only got around to exploring ancient Norse mythology (yes, there are still people who worship Odin and Thor and all those.) before I was turned onto the path of Christianity

The topic is asking bout what people think of Wicca.

I think it's good if a pagan learns bout other religions or a Christian to learn about other religions while looking from the inside instead of the outside. It shows intelligence and tolerance of others. Cultural relativism < ethnocentrisim. Who knows all the different Pagan Gods and Goddesses could be the same as the Christian God.

Wicca and Christianity have similar concepts. Wicca is about loving all things in nature (trees, flowers, animals, people, even that annoying kid down the street that you want to punch) and Christianity is about loving everyone.

And if it harm none, do what ye will=Love thy neighbor.

i have to agree with this. however just because a christian loves thy neighbor, that doesn't mean they have to approve of what the neighbor does.  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

Gerbil_of_the_Vashness

Dark Angel Rai

Tornadomaster_Auron

Um......Would this lovely banter be considered off topic? And yes, it is good to see someone out there studying other religions. I only got around to exploring ancient Norse mythology (yes, there are still people who worship Odin and Thor and all those.) before I was turned onto the path of Christianity

The topic is asking bout what people think of Wicca.

I think it's good if a pagan learns bout other religions or a Christian to learn about other religions while looking from the inside instead of the outside. It shows intelligence and tolerance of others. Cultural relativism < ethnocentrisim. Who knows all the different Pagan Gods and Goddesses could be the same as the Christian God.

Wicca and Christianity have similar concepts. Wicca is about loving all things in nature (trees, flowers, animals, people, even that annoying kid down the street that you want to punch) and Christianity is about loving everyone.

And if it harm none, do what ye will=Love thy neighbor.

i have to agree with this. however just because a christian loves thy neighbor, that doesn't mean they have to approve of what the neighbor does.

You'll be surprised that a lot of my Christian friends do approve and respect my pagan beliefs and now that they are my beliefs and they can't change them.  

[Gerbil_of_the_Vashness]

Dark Angel Rai

Gerbil_of_the_Vashness

Dark Angel Rai

Tornadomaster_Auron

Um......Would this lovely banter be considered off topic? And yes, it is good to see someone out there studying other religions. I only got around to exploring ancient Norse mythology (yes, there are still people who worship Odin and Thor and all those.) before I was turned onto the path of Christianity

The topic is asking bout what people think of Wicca.

I think it's good if a pagan learns bout other religions or a Christian to learn about other religions while looking from the inside instead of the outside. It shows intelligence and tolerance of others. Cultural relativism < ethnocentrisim. Who knows all the different Pagan Gods and Goddesses could be the same as the Christian God.

Wicca and Christianity have similar concepts. Wicca is about loving all things in nature (trees, flowers, animals, people, even that annoying kid down the street that you want to punch) and Christianity is about loving everyone.

And if it harm none, do what ye will=Love thy neighbor.

i have to agree with this. however just because a christian loves thy neighbor, that doesn't mean they have to approve of what the neighbor does.

You'll be surprised that a lot of my Christian friends do approve and respect my pagan beliefs and now that they are my beliefs and they can't change them.

that's fine. it's their choice. i personally don't approve of things considered sinful by my religion.  

[Neferet -House of Night-]

Gerbil_of_the_Vashness

Dark Angel Rai

Gerbil_of_the_Vashness

Dark Angel Rai

Tornadomaster_Auron

Um......Would this lovely banter be considered off topic? And yes, it is good to see someone out there studying other religions. I only got around to exploring ancient Norse mythology (yes, there are still people who worship Odin and Thor and all those.) before I was turned onto the path of Christianity

The topic is asking bout what people think of Wicca.

I think it's good if a pagan learns bout other religions or a Christian to learn about other religions while looking from the inside instead of the outside. It shows intelligence and tolerance of others. Cultural relativism < ethnocentrisim. Who knows all the different Pagan Gods and Goddesses could be the same as the Christian God.

Wicca and Christianity have similar concepts. Wicca is about loving all things in nature (trees, flowers, animals, people, even that annoying kid down the street that you want to punch) and Christianity is about loving everyone.

And if it harm none, do what ye will=Love thy neighbor.

i have to agree with this. however just because a christian loves thy neighbor, that doesn't mean they have to approve of what the neighbor does.

You'll be surprised that a lot of my Christian friends do approve and respect my pagan beliefs and now that they are my beliefs and they can't change them.

that's fine. it's their choice. i personally don't approve of things considered sinful by my religion.

So you would go against all of which Jesus stood for. You do know that Jesus talked and sat with sinners and more than likely studied their religions.  

[Gerbil_of_the_Vashness]

that's not approval, that's loving your neighbor and being informed. talking with nonchristians is not approval, but just that--talking. i see nothing hypocritical about what i said.  

[OneWithDunamis]

Gerbil_of_the_Vashness

that's not approval, that's loving your neighbor and being informed. talking with nonchristians is not approval, but just that--talking. i see nothing hypocritical about what i said.

True. Nor is Jesus' intention of dining with sinners to support them in what they do, but to reach out to those in need.