Pro-Life flowers on the steps of the Supreme Court.

[IcarusDream]

divineseraph

It's where I stop and you begin. My thoughts are obviously not yours.

What is "me"?

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Consciousness is the ability to think and be aware of your thought. If you hold consciousness, then you are.

Well, then the logic is impeccable, because it basically works on its own definitions. It's kind of like defining abortion as right, and then saying that abortion being right follows from it. It's obvious. Thinking and being aren't separate things under this idea, here, so of course it follows that if one thinks then one is.

The most relevant definition is the former question: What is "me"?  

[divineseraph]

You are you. You are the thinking thing.

And the logic isn't circular. It says "Thinking is being. I think, therefore I must be."

Entirely logical.  

[IcarusDream]

divineseraph

You are the thinking thing.

I'll go so far as to admit that the thinking thing exists, but not much else, especially since it only exists by definition.

divineseraph

And the logic isn't circular. It says "Thinking is being. I think, therefore I must be."

Entirely logical.

It follows absolutely from itself...

"I am right. I say this, therefore that is right."

"Killing is slaying. I killed, therefore I slayed."

Circular logic IS entirely logical, but the definitions or premises might not be true and/or accepted.  

[divineseraph]

And there you go. If you doubt, then you must be to doubt. If you are being deceived, then you must be existent to be deceived in the first place, for YOU are the one being deceived.

If you think, then you are. This is because if you are aware, then it must be YOU who is aware. And even if its not you, but another controlling you that you are aware of, then the controller is you, since it's through that vessel that your awareness flows.  

[IcarusDream]

divineseraph

If you think, then you are. This is because if you are aware, then it must be YOU who is aware. And even if its not you, but another controlling you that you are aware of, then the controller is you, since it's through that vessel that your awareness flows.

My point is then that we don't which state we're in, that is, whether we are puppets or otherwise.  

[divineseraph]

IcarusDream

divineseraph

If you think, then you are. This is because if you are aware, then it must be YOU who is aware. And even if its not you, but another controlling you that you are aware of, then the controller is you, since it's through that vessel that your awareness flows.

My point is then that we don't which state we're in, that is, whether we are puppets or otherwise.

But if you can think that you are puppet, then it must be that you exist to do the thinking.  

[IcarusDream]

divineseraph

IcarusDream

divineseraph

If you think, then you are. This is because if you are aware, then it must be YOU who is aware. And even if its not you, but another controlling you that you are aware of, then the controller is you, since it's through that vessel that your awareness flows.

My point is then that we don't which state we're in, that is, whether we are puppets or otherwise.

But if you can think that you are puppet, then it must be that you exist to do the thinking.

I already admitted the truth of that by definition only, but the further point was that we don't know exactly how we exist, i.e. in what state.  

[divineseraph]

IcarusDream

divineseraph

IcarusDream

divineseraph

If you think, then you are. This is because if you are aware, then it must be YOU who is aware. And even if its not you, but another controlling you that you are aware of, then the controller is you, since it's through that vessel that your awareness flows.

My point is then that we don't which state we're in, that is, whether we are puppets or otherwise.

But if you can think that you are puppet, then it must be that you exist to do the thinking.

I already admitted the truth of that by definition only, but the further point was that we don't know exactly how we exist, i.e. in what state.

But, you know that you must exist. HOW you exist, or as what, is harder to determine, but is also irrelevant to the fact that you DO exist.