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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:01 pm


Since I have been a slight debater in abortion threads in the ED, I have found many disgusting pro-life websites. The "aborted fetii" pictures don't get to me that much, but the words anger me like nothing will. I present to you, the most horrible pro-life site I have come across:

prolifeamerica.com

Warning: Will cause anger, increased blood pressure, depression, loss of faith in human race, regret, and loss of ability to bond with pro-lifers in the future.



A couple of "gems" from the pro-life answers board:

No one has the right to tell a woman she has to have a child.

pro-life america
The pro-life movement has never suggested that women should be required to have children. However, it is a biological fact that when a woman is pregnant she already has a child. Our argument is that this child should not be butchered.



Abortion is about empowering women.

pro-life america
If you want to see the weakest and most subservient women in America, just look at the faces of those entering an abortion clinic. What you will see is sadness, desperation, fear, and resignation. What you will not see is women who feel empowered or in control.

These faces make it clear that, like suicide, abortion is a choice made by tragic people who have been convinced they have no choice. Better than anyone else, women who submit to abortion understand why no woman was ever admired for having an abortion, and why no woman ever bragged about her abortion, and why no woman ever climbed off an abortionist’s table with a higher opinion of herself than she had when she climbed onto it.

This nonsense that women must have the right to kill their children in order to be equal to men is an invention of the abortion industry. With almost no exceptions, pioneers of the women’s movement like Susan B. Anthony, Mattie Brinkerhoff, Sarah Norton, Emma Goldman, and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were outspoken opponents of legal abortion. Alice Paul, who wrote the original Equal Rights Amendment, called abortion the ultimate exploitation of women. Even suffragist newspapers such as Woodhull’s and Claflin’s Weekly, had editorial policies which openly attacked both abortion and abortionists.

These early feminists saw that abortion is patronizing and paternalistic and that a woman’s willingness to submit to it doesn’t free her, it devalues her. They understood that legalized abortion is nothing more than a safety net for sexually predatory and sexually irresponsible men. Today, after over 30 years of legalized abortion, that view has been so thoroughly proven true that some abortion advocates no longer even bother to deny it. In fact, some say it should be celebrated.

On May 11, 1990, the PBS radio program Spectrum featured the staunchly pro-choice Ann Taylor-Flemming saying, “I came of age with the women’s movement. It has given license to my ambitions and dreams, and filled me with the fervor for equality that permeates all that I do. But this time, I want to turn the tables a bit. Take an issue that always seems like a women’s issue and pitch it directly towards the men out there. And that issue is abortion... it’s time now to invite the men of America back in, to ask them to raise their voices for choice... I dare say that many of them have impregnated women along the way, and then let off the hook in a big, big way – emotionally, economically and every other way – when the women went ahead and had abortions... the sense of relief for themselves was mixed with sympathy for and gratitude towards those women whose ultimate responsibility it was to relieve them of responsibility by having abortions... it would sure be nice to hear from all those men out there whose lives have been changed, bettered, and substantially eased because they were not forced into unwanted fatherhood.”

It is hard to imagine that even the most bigoted male chauvinist would suggest that women have a responsibility to let men who impregnate them “off the hook” by submitting to abortion. Yet here is that very argument being espoused by someone who claims to be an advocate for women.

Today, abortion apologists continue to push the idea that having a clean place to kill their babies is the cornerstone of women’s equality. That lie is a self-serving perversion of the basic values of legitimate feminism. As pro-life feminist Melissa Simmons-Tulin once said, “Women will never climb to equality over the dead bodies of their children.”


Women must be free to control their own reproductive lives

Pro-life america

First, abortion is not about reproduction. When a woman is pregnant, reproduction has already taken place. Abortion is about killing the child that has been produced. Second, what kind of perverted mind sees the right to kill one’s own offspring as a symbol of freedom? As pro-life feminist Frederica Mathewes-Green once observed, a woman killing her child through abortion is like an animal gnawing off its own leg to get out of a trap. Abortion, she said, is not a sign that women are free, but that they are desperate.



There are more, but I should watch my blood pressure.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:41 am


Yes... women are desperate...desperate to get away from the dumb@sses that write this crap.

Thank you for your warnings about my blood pressure while reading this, at least I was ready for it.

caffinated_tulip


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:02 am


pro-life america
If you want to see the weakest and most subservient women in America, just look at the faces of those entering an abortion clinic. What you will see is sadness, desperation, fear, and resignation. What you will not see is women who feel empowered or in control.


Maybe it's because:
1. Abortion is frightening.
2. Abortion is something no woman wants--either they want to become a mother or they want to not get pregnant in the first place.
3. YOU ******** LOW-LIFE SACKS OF s**t ARE HARRASSING THEM. And don't even try to deny it. Either you are there for your own reproductive healthcare--in which case you're a hypocrite--or you're there to protest the clinic and harras the women going into it, which you have no ******** business doing.

Quote:
With almost no exceptions, pioneers of the women’s movement like Susan B. Anthony, Mattie Brinkerhoff, Sarah Norton, Emma Goldman, and Elizabeth Cady Stanton were outspoken opponents of legal abortion. Alice Paul, who wrote the original Equal Rights Amendment, called abortion the ultimate exploitation of women. Even suffragist newspapers such as Woodhull’s and Claflin’s Weekly, had editorial policies which openly attacked both abortion and abortionists.


1. Many of those same women were also blatantly racist. Today, feminists also seek to combat racism as well as sexism. Things change.
2. That's because in those times, someone who performed abortions (illegally) also ripped women off and used unsafe procedures.

Quote:
They understood that legalized abortion is nothing more than a safety net for sexually predatory and sexually irresponsible men.


Because of course no woman ever has sex for any reason besides having babies. Ever.

Ugh. My best piece of advice to you is this: Don't waste your time reading crap like this. It's bullshit, it's propaganda, and the people who wrote it have their head too far up their own a** to understand any rebuttal.

Also, if you DO want a good rebuttal, this list probably has it: Pro and Con Arguments for Legal Abortion

And this needs to be said: Pro-Life women are not feminists.
A feminist is someone who beleives in social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. A feminist would not stand for taking away a woman's right to bodily domain. They would not try to take away someone's right to make an important medical, moral/ethical decision for themself. They would NEVER put the rights of something that cannot think or feel over someone who can.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:43 pm


They need an ED article, for they are lulcows and they cause me to lul at their bullshit.

Katsuya Ishtar


Mera Hei

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:03 pm


Quote:
These faces make it clear that, like suicide, abortion is a choice made by tragic people who have been convinced they have no choice.


-Pop! Goes Oxy's mind!-

How. <********> Dare they compare suicide, an action that affects everyone that knew and loved them in one of the worst ways possible, to the termination of a fetus?! How dare they say that getting an abortion will affect not just the woman, but everyone that could have known the future fleshbag!? How dare they?!

I'm to the verge of tears, I'm pissed off that much. I happen to suffer from suicidal thoughts, and to think that people honestly believe I'm at the same level of a fetus...

s**t. Now I am crying.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:29 am


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Quote:
These faces make it clear that, like suicide, abortion is a choice made by tragic people who have been convinced they have no choice.


-Pop! Goes Oxy's mind!-

How. <********> Dare they compare suicide, an action that affects everyone that knew and loved them in one of the worst ways possible, to the termination of a fetus?! How dare they say that getting an abortion will affect not just the woman, but everyone that could have known the future fleshbag!? How dare they?!

I'm to the verge of tears, I'm pissed off that much. I happen to suffer from suicidal thoughts, and to think that people honestly believe I'm at the same level of a fetus...

s**t. Now I am crying.


*hugs* I hope you feel better. Some pro-lifers out there are absolute monsters who only care about you when your a fetus.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:59 am


Oxymoronic Username
Quote:
These faces make it clear that, like suicide, abortion is a choice made by tragic people who have been convinced they have no choice.


-Pop! Goes Oxy's mind!-

How. <********> Dare they compare suicide, an action that affects everyone that knew and loved them in one of the worst ways possible, to the termination of a fetus?! How dare they say that getting an abortion will affect not just the woman, but everyone that could have known the future fleshbag!? How dare they?!

I'm to the verge of tears, I'm pissed off that much. I happen to suffer from suicidal thoughts, and to think that people honestly believe I'm at the same level of a fetus...

s**t. Now I am crying.


: (

*hugs*

On a side note, a lifer recently tried to use this website as a source in the ADT.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:37 pm


That site made me cry. The ammount of stupidity, and the fact that those people want no exceptions whatsoever on abortion makes me want to go on a killing spree. Their "argument" against back alley abortions going to become common place again if abortion becomes illegal is also another piece of s**t:

If abortion is outlawed women will again be killed in back-alley abortions.

Virtually every study on this subject has concluded that deaths and injuries due to illegal abortion have been wildly exaggerated and that the vast majority of illegal abortions were done by licensed doctors who were simply breaking the law.

Not only are abortion apologists lying when they say that thousands of women used to die every year from back-alley, coat-hanger abortions, but their own research proves it.

Figures released in 1986 by the Alan Guttmacher Institute (the research arm of Planned Parenthood) show that in the 15 years prior to the legalization of abortion, the average number of women dying from illegal abortion in the entire United States was 136 per year and dropping.

Obviously, it is a tragedy when even one young woman loses her life in this way. However, there is a way to protect women against illegal abortions without butchering millions of defenseless children.
The first thing to keep in mind is that pro-lifers don’t do abortions. If abortion were outlawed today and illegal abortionists started springing up next week, every one of them would be someone who is pro-choice. In fact, every woman who was ever killed or maimed during an abortion – whether it was legal or illegal – was killed or maimed by someone who was pro-choice. In other words, when the abortion lobby says, “If abortion is made illegal, women will die,” what they’re actually saying is, “If you stop us from killing babies, we’re going to start killing women.”

So clearly, the solution to the back-alley abortion problem is for the pro-choice gang to agree not to do them. They could also help us pass legislation requiring that, (a) people who commit illegal abortions are to be prosecuted under the same homicide statutes that apply to any other hired killer and, (b) anyone who coerces a woman to have an illegal abortion, or helps to arrange an illegal abortion, is to be charged as an accessory to homicide.

Of course, these people are never going to agree to this because they never cared about this issue to begin with. They simply wanted to make it look like we are responsible for the pregnant women they are threatening to kill. The fact is, every time one of these radical pro-choice fanatics screams about dirty coat-hangers and back-alley abortions, the blood is on their hands – not ours.

Also, if the motivation for legalized abortion really is to save the lives of women, why don’t we legalize rape? After all, it is not uncommon for a woman to be killed by a rapist to keep her from identifying him to the authorities. Legalizing rape would save those women by taking away that motivation. We could also set up rape clinics where rapists could take their victims. These centers could offer clean rooms, condom machines, emergency contraception, and perhaps even doctors on staff in case the rapist injures his victim. We could even issue licenses to rapists requiring them to undergo routine testing for AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.

Remember, the pro-choice argument is that women are going to have abortions regardless of what the law says, and that keeping abortion legal will make sure they occur in a clean and safe environment. Those dynamics also apply to rape. Keeping rape illegal has not prevented women from being raped, so why not at least try to prevent back-alley rapes? As ridiculous as this suggestion is, if the goal is saving women’s lives, it makes as much sense as legalized abortion.

RMarques


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:38 pm


ottery
Oxymoronic Username
Quote:
These faces make it clear that, like suicide, abortion is a choice made by tragic people who have been convinced they have no choice.


-Pop! Goes Oxy's mind!-

How. <********> Dare they compare suicide, an action that affects everyone that knew and loved them in one of the worst ways possible, to the termination of a fetus?! How dare they say that getting an abortion will affect not just the woman, but everyone that could have known the future fleshbag!? How dare they?!

I'm to the verge of tears, I'm pissed off that much. I happen to suffer from suicidal thoughts, and to think that people honestly believe I'm at the same level of a fetus...

s**t. Now I am crying.


*hugs* I hope you feel better. Some pro-lifers out there are absolute monsters who only care about you when your a fetus.


I've been getting better, actually. Talking to people can do wonders on the mind. (Slow process, but compared to how I was last year, I've improved.)

Sadly, it's true. Their numbers are increasing; I heard a girl say that women who die in back-alleys "had it coming". I wanted to sock her in the face, but I'm representing the pro-choice side in my school.

On a lighter note, this made me giggle:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:23 pm


Some Fundie

The first thing to keep in mind is that pro-lifers don’t do abortions. If abortion were outlawed today and illegal abortionists started springing up next week, every one of them would be someone who is pro-choice. In fact, every woman who was ever killed or maimed during an abortion – whether it was legal or illegal – was killed or maimed by someone who was pro-choice. In other words, when the abortion lobby says, “If abortion is made illegal, women will die,” what they’re actually saying is, “If you stop us from killing babies, we’re going to start killing women.”


Oh my gosh!

XD

If it's any consolation, this exact quote was featured on Fundies Say The Darndest Things a while ago!
For those of you who haven't heard of it, FSTDT is a collection of quotes from crazy religious fundamentalists all over the internet. It's basically a place where you can look at, laugh at, and sometimes cry at the horrible things people have said.

Here, I'll try to find it....

AHA! And how freaking original, too, the source credited is different from prolifeamerica.com--Somebody's a copycat!

FSTDT Comments on this quote.

Hey.... one of my comments is on there! (See "Sayna", last post on first page.)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:02 pm


PhaedraMcSpiffy
Some Fundie

The first thing to keep in mind is that pro-lifers don’t do abortions. If abortion were outlawed today and illegal abortionists started springing up next week, every one of them would be someone who is pro-choice. In fact, every woman who was ever killed or maimed during an abortion – whether it was legal or illegal – was killed or maimed by someone who was pro-choice. In other words, when the abortion lobby says, “If abortion is made illegal, women will die,” what they’re actually saying is, “If you stop us from killing babies, we’re going to start killing women.”


Oh my gosh!

XD

If it's any consolation, this exact quote was featured on Fundies Say The Darndest Things a while ago!
For those of you who haven't heard of it, FSTDT is a collection of quotes from crazy religious fundamentalists all over the internet. It's basically a place where you can look at, laugh at, and sometimes cry at the horrible things people have said.

Here, I'll try to find it....

AHA! And how freaking original, too, the source credited is different from prolifeamerica.com--Somebody's a copycat!

FSTDT Comments on this quote.

Hey.... one of my comments is on there! (See "Sayna", last post on first page.)


I visit FSDS so I can get a good laugh/cry, depending on the sheer stupidity of the quote. They even had one from gaia on there, too.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:26 pm


PhaedraMcSpiffy
Some Fundie

The first thing to keep in mind is that pro-lifers don’t do abortions. If abortion were outlawed today and illegal abortionists started springing up next week, every one of them would be someone who is pro-choice. In fact, every woman who was ever killed or maimed during an abortion – whether it was legal or illegal – was killed or maimed by someone who was pro-choice. In other words, when the abortion lobby says, “If abortion is made illegal, women will die,” what they’re actually saying is, “If you stop us from killing babies, we’re going to start killing women.”


Oh my gosh!

XD

If it's any consolation, this exact quote was featured on Fundies Say The Darndest Things a while ago!
For those of you who haven't heard of it, FSTDT is a collection of quotes from crazy religious fundamentalists all over the internet. It's basically a place where you can look at, laugh at, and sometimes cry at the horrible things people have said.

Here, I'll try to find it....

AHA! And how freaking original, too, the source credited is different from prolifeamerica.com--Somebody's a copycat!

FSTDT Comments on this quote.

Hey.... one of my comments is on there! (See "Sayna", last post on first page.)

Hahah..ow. I think I just laughed and died a little inside, didn't think that was humanly possible.

Dissnitive Blade


Spiral Out

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:00 pm


I have to say that I agree that abortion is great for a woman desperate to not go through pregnancy, childbirth or parenting. If I got pregnant again, I'd be pretty desperate for an abortion myself.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:05 am


I checked it out, but what I found most interesting was another site linked from prolifeamerica. This site had testimonies from women who regret their abortions. It had a celebrity page. Click here.

Check this out:
Quote:
"I Killed a part of myself..." Actress Bette Davis speaking about her abortion in Vanity Fair, March 2006

Bette Davis died in 1989. Link.

Either way, she was 65 when abortion became legal, so I doubt she had one. Even if she did, it was probably for the best. Bette Davis, like most other actresses of her generation, wasn't exactly a great mother.

PersephoneMediocris


PhaedraMcSpiffy

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:19 pm


Wow, that's shitty. Maybe the quote was older, and Vanity Fair quoted it in 2006, causing them to think the quote came from 2006? Still, very shitty citing.
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