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Enough of you trying to convince us the war is lost, enough! You're wrong and I can prove it!

19,000 militant fatilities since '03 -USA TODAY sept 27

"More than 19,000 militants have been killed in fighting with coalition forces since the insurgency began more than 4 years ago"

"The increase in enemy deaths this year reflects more agressive tactics adopted by American forces and an additional 30,000 U.S. troops ordered by the white house this year," The surge is working you quitters! You were skeptical, but how does it feel to be faced with the facts proving you were so wrong!

"There are 25,000 detainees in U.S. custody in Iraq,"

"Since the insurgency began after Baghdad fell in spring 2003, 19,429 militants have been killed in clashes with coalition forces," You still with me liberals?

"The information in the database is only as good as the information entered into it by it's operators on the ground at the time, follow up infromation to make corrections is done whenever possible,"

This is how liberals lost us Vietnam.

I'm trying to prove to you that the left is WRONG. I hate to be so cruel about it but you need to be shocked awake. You need to realize that your party base is blatantly, consistently, and conciously lies to the public in order to embarrass the president. You must see that your party base exists solely to bring down the leaders in Washington. How is that patriotic?

Dude, I never said democrats, I said liberals, as I'm sure you know there is a difference. Dude the casualty rate for our soldiers vs. them is almost 5:1 thats huge.

As far as civilian deaths. I never said war was pretty

Sidenote: Watch your mouth leninator

As for creating more enemies. Then will kill them too, and then anyone that makes an enemy of. If we have to eliminate Iraq then thats what we will do.

Contrary to what Bush has said, Iraq was NEVER about the war on terror, getting rid of saddam and promoting a stable Iraq, and instilling democracy go hand in hand. Saddam NEVER had WMD's in my belief, we went in to PREVENT him from attaining them, because in the past he has proved his willingness to use such agents.

Oil companies covering Iraq, such is the magic of capitalism, anyone can seize an opportunity for themselves, the oil companies saw a way to make money and they seized it. You can't blame them for it its human nature to try to expand ones self.

Union leaders being killed, thats because we haven't been there long enough

People dying faster, see above

also in Fadah, one of the previously most violent regions in the country, the civilians decided we don't want these terrorist jerks here and turned them in. Since then (february) there has not been one car bomb in that city.

Okay how is present day Iraq better let me walk you through it, In previous Iraq:
If you were a dissent, (a communist would be a dissedent)
sometime in the middle of the night special forces would bust down your door, rape and kill your family in front of you, drag you away. lash you across the back, legs, and feet with a cane for hours, followed by cutting off your tounge, if you're lucky. If you're unlucky which is the more likely of scenarios, you would be taken to one of two rooms. you would either get the room that is flooded with water and then the water is electrified. or you could get the room with two hooks hanging from the cieling. if you got this room you would be in for the most unpleasant experience known to man. hooks would be sunk into your eyeballs, the hooks would then be slowly lifted until you are dead.

So in light of the torture techniques used by saddam's police (I researched them in anticipation of this debate) I would say that present day Iraq is much better for people who don't like whats going on. At least now they can say they don't like what's going on without fear of torture.

If those places are more pressing matters, then why doesn't the rest of the world step up and act to correct those problems?

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Very well said

I am Canadian, but sadly not very patriotic about it. I find it absurd to be patriotic about a country that was founded on cod and beaver, and has contributed almost nil to international history. The only good thing about us was our everlasting loyalty to the English throne.

Besides, Canada is the 51st State of the US. We are allies and partners, whatever the yanks do, we should follow along like an obedient little brother we are, lest we get spanked.



Baghdad is under full control, as is most of the country. Do you see the Iraqis have any armies? Corps? Divisions? They don't even have a bloody platoon of soldiers. Why? We beat their army into pulp.

We are currently fighting partisans, not an army. We already won. Partisans are an annoyance, not a threat. Also, you will notice that the vast majority of Iraqis are not taking up arms. Hell, the french offered more resistance then the Iraqis.

Oh fine, I was wrong, 2 suicide bombs a week. Still not many for a country of 27 million people. If there was a suicide bombing every hour, that would be a minor skirmish.




At least the US always painted their planes to ensure every knew who was bombing them and why they were being bombed.

The Islamic terrorists are disguising themselves as civilians, thus presenting themselves as something you cannot shoot. Hence, completely cowardly, even stealth planes can be detected and fired back at. But how do you determine a civilian is a terrorist before it is too late? Even the french resistance wore armbands as uniforms to distinguish themselves as combatants.

So really, these guys arn't following the Geneva convention, which means perhaps we should procede to slaughter all civilians in Iraq as there is no other safe way to eliminate the terrorist threat?

You see, the differance between a terrorists and a soldier is that a soldier fights to protect his family and country, a terrorist is someone who hides behind their family and country to fight. Hence, it is the terrorists that are exposing their people to danger.



I consider a liberal to be any treehugging hippie. I hate many republicans and conservatives just as much. I am a fascist and you will find no sympathy for many ideologies.



Tactical Nightmare? Do you look at a map?

Vietnam is a haven for Generals, it is a long, narrow strip of land, no room for manuever, coastline all alolng the country. Whoever has the most powerful ground forces and the ocean wins. And America had both of those.

If you look at the casualties, the vietanmese were losing millions of people. The US lost only 50,000. Hardly a "tactical disaster".

The war could have been easily won, except the media potrayed the atrocities that were nessecery for ultimate victory. And the Hippie movement killed most of the draftees for the US Military.



They are soldiers, they should be considered dead when they joined up. They should consider it an honour for heroicly sacrificing their blood for the Nation.

Besides, 3,000 deaths is an hours worth of combat in WWI and WWII. It is extremely minor, hell you know its minor when they have the time to elaborate on each death on the news.



Spetember 11 was an attack on the Americas, one that caused 3,000 deaths, as comapared to Pearl Harbours 1,000.

Also, Japan was not much of a threat, especially since every day, the Japanese sent an offer for a conditional surrender, which the Americans refused until an unconditional surrender was signed. The Japanese plan was to hit America hard enough so as to know that it wouldn't be worth opposing Japanese expansion, then to negotiate and keep the Americans from intervening with their war in China. The Americans entrance into the war was just as silly as the one for invading Iraq,
The Japanese are invading and killing the Chinese, and we have knowledge of their Naval Weapons of Mass Destruction, we must destroy them, and they attacked us.


Yes, I am insulting those 3,000 for their pompous mournings and media scenes. Their children joined the army for a reason. To fight and die, that is what the military exists for. Yet these tarts are complaining when they do their duty to the country and it just so happens that someone they know gets to eat the bullet? The military is not an ordinary job, they should have expected and prepared for it.
The military exists to serve national interests and to pay for it in blood. Not for some aspiring student looking for the college money.

I however praise the dead of the old for their bravery, and their family for continuing the war effort in spite of the death.

And the beer! Don't forget the beer! Lol

Not really, I mean if you're going to consider it that far then you're more like a colony. I mean, if you were a state then you'd actually get a vote in our government and a say in everything that goes on in the US. As a colony you just get our protection while...we...enjoy your...land... DEAR GOD YOU ARE A COLONY OF THE U.S.! Lol, jk, but you are pretty close to one. If that deal with the Confederacy of US, Canadia and Mexico goes down then we'll be like one big country. Only problem is then Mexico will drag us two down. Oh wait, they do already do by not trying to fix their country and then fleeing in here where they bring their problems with them...I forgot...

Islam is another word for the Muslim religion.



The "insane" thing was sarcastic, actually...I think both parties suck.

Yeah, it's pretty weird how the Republicans used to be the anti-war, isolationist party. Even during the Clinton administration, the Republicans opposed the Democrat attacks on the Middle East. That all changed on 9/11, though.



Cindy Sheehan? Yeah, she doesn't seem to realize that her son re-enlisted knowing full well that he would probably go to Iraq. If there was a draft, she might have a point, but using her own son's death like that was shameful.



Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, so they hadn't provoked the invasion. I know that Clinton believed Iraq had WMDs, and I think the problem lies in the intelligence community's mistakes, as well as Bush's over-eagerness to go to war on less-than-trustworthy intel.