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 Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:54 am
And when I say Magician, I don't mean stage and illusionary magicians...I mean the art of "spellcasting," per se.
If anyone is, please post here, I'd like to have a conversation with you about what you believe. smile
Beyond that, I know I'm going to get criticism, so I'll justify myself now.
I've been asked many times how magick and Christianity can mix, and I've even been asked if I was a Satanist (which I'm not, to dispel any worries you may have).
Many people are indeed fueled by ignorance. They accuse my way of glorifying God as incorrect, simply because they've been told that throughout their life by their parents or friends or relatives. And the odds are, none of these people have even researched these things themselves. They simply follow like sheep, blind to any misinformation thrown at them.
You're probably wondering how the two are indeed compatible. Let me give an example: the art of Divination. Divination is used to find what you should do in a situation. And if you break it down, it basically means to find the will of the Divine. You may dismiss this as a way of playing God, but I believe it's a way of finding God's will. For instance, the Old Testament high priest, used a form of Divination known as the Urim and Thummim. They were two stones kept in the Ephod (the priestly robe) of the high priest. They would ask a question, and they would draw one of the stones, and that was to determine God's will on the situation. It was mostly used for Yes or No questions and to determine if someone was guilty or not guilty in a situation.
One my argue, that was the Old Testament, things changed after Christ died. And I can once again refute this statement. Many times throughout the Bible, the casting of "lots" is mentioned. This is also a form of Divination known as Cleromancy. One of the examples of Godly men using this form of Divination is found in the New Testament. After Jesus had died, Judas was no more, so the apostles had cast lots to determine the new apostle.
Anyway, if anyone has any questions concerning this, feel free to ask via this thread or PM. And as for other magicians, please post, I'm excited to hear what you may have to say. smile
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:10 am
And to elaborate a bit more, as I forgot this part.
I think magick is okay so long as it's used for the glory of God, and to worship him. It's who you do it for and who you worship, not magick itself that is evil in my opinion.
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:19 pm
Hm, you're even more detailed here than in The Temple. I completely forgot about Urim and Thumim. It's an intresting case... especiallly the whole divination thing. I'll definately keep my mind open to the possibilities! blaugh
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:20 pm
Not much of a response so far. lol
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:09 pm
psh. Yeah, tell me about it. rolleyes You've really surpised me, Whitey. You've obviously studied the bible in depth and really know your stuff. It's not often you find young scholars. mrgreen
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:44 pm
I think what you do is totally fine, but the term ''magic'' is what drives people away from it, or even makes them judge you.
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:21 pm
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:41 am
I completely agree but I have to keep my views quiet. My mother and everyone else at my church would have a fit. How long have you been a practitioner?
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:11 pm
Hello, people! Are you of the Levite blodline? Did G-d appoint you as Priests? No. Did G-d CLEARLY say not to practice divination? Yes. So, while the Urim and Thummim may have been used in a way that MIGHT have been constured as a form of divination, G-d forbid it. If yyou break ONE law, and we see this in the Torah, and you are a Priest, you're dead. Flat out. So even the Priests couldn't have been doing it. It's forbiden. Whether or not you think it's G-d doing it, it's still forbiden.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:25 am
The reason people don't research these things is because they have been told by manipulative leaders to not move forwardin pursuit of what God has given us
There is no "tree test" anymore, all that was created was to serve man from the start.
As long as one knows where the "power" they work with comes from, then the rest defines itself. " Mana is as Mana does" XD
Your intent defines your purpose, and in turn defines your influence.
There is no way to "accidently" work with satan- its a choice. A bad one, certainly, but still...
The same thing with God- it's a choice.
lol God's real big on multiple-choice situations...he's cool like that.^-^
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:58 am
in the old testament witchcraft(magick sorcery wizarddry divination etc.) are cleary evil and satanic.
(II Kings 21:2 ff.), "He did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord, after the abominations of the heathen, whom the Lord cast out before the children of Israel". His sins are then enumerated as follows:
He built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the Lord. And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards. He wrought much wickedness in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger (vs. 5-6).
in revelation it says something about witches being bad but i cant remeber the verse number.
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:02 pm
WhiteyHimself And when I say Magician, I don't mean stage and illusionary magicians...I mean the art of "spellcasting," per se. If anyone is, please post here, I'd like to have a conversation with you about what you believe. smile Beyond that, I know I'm going to get criticism, so I'll justify myself now. I've been asked many times how magick and Christianity can mix, and I've even been asked if I was a Satanist (which I'm not, to dispel any worries you may have). Many people are indeed fueled by ignorance. They accuse my way of glorifying God as incorrect, simply because they've been told that throughout their life by their parents or friends or relatives. And the odds are, none of these people have even researched these things themselves. They simply follow like sheep, blind to any misinformation thrown at them. You're probably wondering how the two are indeed compatible. Let me give an example: the art of Divination. Divination is used to find what you should do in a situation. And if you break it down, it basically means to find the will of the Divine. You may dismiss this as a way of playing God, but I believe it's a way of finding God's will. For instance, the Old Testament high priest, used a form of Divination known as the Urim and Thummim. They were two stones kept in the Ephod (the priestly robe) of the high priest. They would ask a question, and they would draw one of the stones, and that was to determine God's will on the situation. It was mostly used for Yes or No questions and to determine if someone was guilty or not guilty in a situation. One my argue, that was the Old Testament, things changed after Christ died. And I can once again refute this statement. Many times throughout the Bible, the casting of "lots" is mentioned. This is also a form of Divination known as Cleromancy. One of the examples of Godly men using this form of Divination is found in the New Testament. After Jesus had died, Judas was no more, so the apostles had cast lots to determine the new apostle. Anyway, if anyone has any questions concerning this, feel free to ask via this thread or PM. And as for other magicians, please post, I'm excited to hear what you may have to say. smile 16Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved." 18She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit left her. - Acts 16:16-18 10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in [a] the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. - Deuteronomy 18:9-11 12 I will destroy your witchcraft and you will no longer cast spells. - Micah 5:12 Don't think there are not people who know what you are doing. We'll follow the bible before we follow your influence.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:55 am
I went to a conference and we talked a lot about these things. Some that christians now and days have probably even gone and done.
For example, acupuncture. It's an a natural, holistic therapy to help pain and such. It's been known as an eastern medicine and comes from that line.
I won't ever get this simply because of the orgin of the medicine. yes, it may have scientific principles or properties, but where it came from is still pagan. I don't care if it's 2 weeks old or 20,000 years old smile
It's why i am very careful about some medicine. This is especially tricky sometimes because my mom is a nurse that works with natural medicine of DNA testing. That was developed in the united states in the 20's by Dr. Rife.
So, what i have to answer is simply this. What is the origin? If the origin comes from someplace that was pegan, then i would stay clear of it. Even if your using it for the best intentions or what not. If we need to ask something or find something out from God to know what his will is, simply ask. Ask the holy spirit and he'll tell you smile
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:30 pm
Let me see the Ark and Temple Garb for real then I tell you if its safe. Dont' get me wrong I agree there is a ritualistic and Holy Practice but it has been lost for some time now and until it is found I'm not messing with it Study yes read yes seek yes try no. I have dealt with angels and they will screw up your life because the wrong ones always come running when you call.
JESUS saved me from that path once though I was in the wrong company any way....
Rick
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