|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:10 pm
Victum Soul God being three into one being is so great we would never understand it. So both of you shut up and stop fighting over this. agreed
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:13 pm
willowbark Ok, so why would the devil try to temp Jesus if he was God, The devil would have known he was God and there would have been no point. Devil: " hey Jesus i can give you all these kingdoms!" Jesus: " No thanks they are mine already because I'm God remember" Devil: " Right forgot you were God ....well have a nice day sir" First of all, you know it didn't happen that way. And second: the devil was tempting the human condition of Jesus, he offered stuff a HUMAN would want. And to finish fast: You will NEVER understand why God is one but three persons at the same time. No one ever will.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:46 am
I think it exists the same way as we exist. We were made in Gods image, remember. I always think of the trinity as the way our body exists: mind, body, soul. It's like a balence. They exist and work togeather, but they are all seperit things.
But I also agree with whoever it was that said that we were just not phisicly capeable of understanding fully and just had to accept it as truth.
ps... sorry I really suck at spelling... sad
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:35 pm
A cornerstone of Christianity is the trinity, which means the Godhead, and all are one and the same. Jesus is God. When Jesus came to earth and became HUMAN only then was He became subservient to the Father as a human.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:49 pm
Victum Soul willowbark Ok, so why would the devil try to temp Jesus if he was God, The devil would have known he was God and there would have been no point. Devil: " hey Jesus i can give you all these kingdoms!" Jesus: " No thanks they are mine already because I'm God remember" Devil: " Right forgot you were God ....well have a nice day sir" First of all, you know it didn't happen that way. And second: the devil was tempting the human condition of Jesus, he offered stuff a HUMAN would want. And to finish fast: You will NEVER understand why God is one but three persons at the same time. No one ever will. Because he was HUMAN at the time. This means that he could have commited a sin, because to be HUMAN is to error. Now, the devil knows the bible better than anybody, he knew what was coming, what better to ruin the perfection that was Jesus to prevent him from making the Ultimate sacrifice. ONE SIN, and it would have all been in vain.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:25 am
Victum Soul morsusmihi I believe that they are separate beingings. I mean, Jesus spoke to God and called him Father...that's not something that one normally does to themselves. Also, if they were one in the same why would Jesus ask God to forgive the people for killing him instead of just forgiving them himself? Also, why would God set apart Heaven to be Jesus' kingdom if he was Jesus? Why not just take it since it is his creation and not say that it belonged to Jesus? Jesus did it that way to teach us all as men. He set the example. dang, dude. u really know ur stuff
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:03 am
willowbark Ok, so why would the devil try to temp Jesus if he was God, The devil would have known he was God and there would have been no point. Devil: " hey Jesus i can give you all these kingdoms!" Jesus: " No thanks they are mine already because I'm God remember" Devil: " Right forgot you were God ....well have a nice day sir" Because he was God made flesh, and the flesh is weak. Who is to say that Yeshua's flesh did not desire those lands when Satan tempted him? Yet he was greater than his flesh, supersedeing it, if you will, as an example to others to rise above themselves. Besides whoever said that Mr. former Morningstar was the smartest spiritual entity in the cosmos?! XD lol plz tell me that was not an actual point XD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:27 pm
Quote: A cornerstone of Christianity is the trinity, which means the Godhead, and all are one and the same. Jesus is God. When Jesus came to earth and became HUMAN only then was He became subservient to the Father as a human. Well, Ireland_Gunner has a point; when speaking about Trinitarian Christians. Unitarians, of course, would have something different to say. Frankly, I have to say that I'm on the fence. Simply because both arguments are fairly intelligible, when explained calmly and reasonably. Trinitarianism, the standard of the Catholic Church and Protestants who trace their theology back to Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli claim that God - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost - must exist as a trinity, because of scripture [John x, 30] and the argument that Christ's preeminence can only be the result of his being God in flesh and blood. This is also pointed to via Scripture from Isiah - vii, 14 - and Matthew - i, 23. Unitarians - who have a position akin to the Muslim view of Jesus - feel that they must be separate entities, since God is perfect and thus indivisible and it being unnecessary to divide Himself, in any fashion. A lot of people have already pointed these instances out, with the Temptation, the Transfiguration, and the Crucifixion. I need not go into that, it's already been done. At any rate, the argument has been around since the early days of the Catholic Church, when an Alexandrian presbyter [elder] named Arius proposed the early unitarian position. It was because of this and several other "heresies" that the leaders of the Church set out the Nicean creed which stated "once and for all" that the Trinity was a fact. Of course, the argument never went away and has been supported by men such as Michael Servetus; the author of Paradise Lost, John Milton; and the very famous scientist, Sir Isaac Newton. Again, I'm on the fence. I used to be a Trinitarian, but I found the Unitaian argument is sound. In the end, neither has fully convinced me - meaning that Trinitarianism hasn't won me back and Unitarianism hasn't fully changed my mind.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:58 am
lost_silme I have found that I do not believe what most Christians believe about this subject. I believe that Jesus is a part of God, yes, but also seperate from God. So, God and Jesus are not the same person. What are y'alls beliefs on the subject? Ok, I will answer your first question, then address the other issue brought up in this thread. God and Yeshua(Jesus) are NOT the same "person". Most Christians believe, well, God is Yeshua on Earth, but that is WRONG. I am lost as to why people cannot accept this sometimes...even this puts it easier "He is the Son of God" He is just a man, all those miracles he supposedly did that are in the bible, He did them THROUGH GOD and most of them were just tricks anyway....such as the wine into water thing....ANYWAY...a perfect example of why God and Yeshua cannot be the same person that I have taught many people with is: God cannot die and Yeshua died on the cross, so if they were the same person, WHO DIED ON THE CROSS? God died? confused nope. smile As to the "holy spirit's" existence...just WHAT IS the holy spirit? The examples they give in churches, youth groups, and any sort of religious groups are all examples of God...the holy spirit doesnt exist!! Let me word it another way, it's "satan" putting himself in the bible just like the book of Romans. That book is not of God, just a book inserted in there by satan to urge people to "pay their taxes" and that government is good. X___x as you read the bible, pay attention to details. not all of it is true. 1/3 of the bible is probably lies that have been inserted throughout the years or maybe before the first bible was actually mass produced. ~Manta
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:02 am
morsusmihi I believe that they are separate beingings. I mean, Jesus spoke to God and called him Father...that's not something that one normally does to themselves. Also, if they were one in the same why would Jesus ask God to forgive the people for killing him instead of just forgiving them himself? Also, why would God set apart Heaven to be Jesus' kingdom if he was Jesus? Why not just take it since it is his creation and not say that it belonged to Jesus? very well said! smile and i love your avatar!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:54 pm
[Bitter.Sweet] Victum Soul God being three into one being is so great we would never understand it. So both of you shut up and stop fighting over this. seriously i dont even think about it anymore. Our minds are not capable of grapsing what its saying. We are just to dumb and simple minded (to put it bluntly). So lets all take a good word from Victum and chill. I know I am late on this topic but I must say I agree.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reply
![[ Loor ]'s avatar](https://a1cdn.gaiaonline.com/dress-up/avatar/ava/84/6f/4c2c3821216f84_flip.png?t=1441204474_6.00_00)