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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:54 am
Well I found this artical the otherday and I was quite surprised at first. It would seem that Events in Final Fantasy X and X-2 are what lead up to events in Final Fantasy VII. Now I have been doing so research into this after reading this and it would seem this artical could be right. Final Fantasy X and X-2 takes place before Final Fantasy VII. I know right now it is very confusing, but I am working at linking things together, for a report on this for others. So read the artical and let me know that you think.
~Tifa~ *that's right it's not love me kiss me it's Tifa! All my friends call me Tifa too!*
"****Translations concerning the plot-related connection between FFVII and FFX/X-2**** (007) As some fans of Final Fantasy VII, X and X-2 may or may not know, the worlds of the two games share a plot-related connection. The connection's existance was established during an interview with Yoshinori Kitase (lead developer of the Final Fantasy series) and Kazushige Nojima (the scenario writer of Final Fantasy VII, Before Crisis, Advent Children, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy X-2 and the Kingdom Hearts series) in 2002, as featured in the Final Fantasy X Ultimania Omega guidebook, an official Square-Enix publication.
This interview established that there would be a connection between the two worlds, though it didn't detail it. However, based on what was later revealed to be the connection, it's clear that it had already been conceived, as Kitase hints at it with his final word on the subject. In 2003, the exact nature of the concept was finally revealed in the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania, having been hinted toward by a few elements of the game.
Nojima revealed that Shinra of the Gullwings, an Al Bhed child prodigy and inventor of various machinery, would attempt using the remains of Vegnagun -- the behemoth machina Shuyin tried to destroy Spira with -- to extract life energy from the Farplane and use it to power machines. Shinra would attempt doing this as a result of his analysis of the Farplane late in the game. During this diagnostic, Shinra concluded that there was a great deal of energy floating around inside the Farplane, and that it was most likely the life force of Spira, which could be extracted and used as a power source; however, he concluded that it would take generations to properly implement the idea.
Further of note is that Nojima explained that the Al Bhed entrepeneur Rin also was interested in extracting mako from the Farplane, and that he provided Shinra with the funding to make the attempt. For his part, Rin's desire to do this is revealed during the game should he be uncovered as the culprit behind covering up the malfunctioning machina disaster on the Mi'hen Highroad.
Nojima went on to say that Shinra's attempts to use Vegnagun's remains failed and that he was unable to complete the concept of mako-extraction, just as Shinra had predicted. However, some 1000 years later, once space travel became possible, Shinra's descendants would go on a voyage to the world of Final Fantasy VII. There, at some point in the future, they would be successful in utilizing the concept, and would provide electricity from the Planet for a price; these descendants would found the Shin-Ra Company of Final Fantasy VII.
The connection would again be hinted toward in the Final Fantasy X-2: International+Last Mission (released in 2004) game's Last Mission scenario, in which Rikku revealed that Rin and Shinra had begun working together. Next, the Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega guidebook (released in September, 2005) also brings forth mention of the concept, and, finally, the connection may have received further indication through Dirge of Cerberus (released in January, 2006) and the Advent Children Reunion Files book (released in May, 2006), in which it is established that the Shera airship seen in Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus runs on ancient, lost non-mako technology that Cid discovered. This technology very well may have originally belonged to Shinra's descendants, as they are the only previous inhabitants of VII's world indicated to have been in possession of advanced technology, and because the interior of the Shera bears some aesthetic resemblances to those of the Fahrenheit and Celsius airships that figure prominently into FFX and FFX-2 (though the Shera's interior bears more of a resemblance to the Celsius').
I will here present the dialogue from Final Fantasy X-2 that hints at the connection, as well as the interviews and other translations that establish its existance as part of official Final Fantasy continuity.
***Dialogue from Final Fantasy X-2***
Rin: "You are suggesting that my decision to upgrade the machina resulted in a number of casualties... ... and that I tried to cover it up?"
Yuna: "You put the investigation in our hands because we were amateurs. You hoped we would botch the case."
Yuna: "And then, I kept calling you even though I didn't have any leads. You would have objected to the meaningless interruptions, if you really wanted to solve the case."
Rin: "I see. It appears that I have underestimated you, Yuna."
Rikku: "Why, Rin?"
Rin: "If word got out that machina pose a danger, people would fear them and stop using them."
Paine: "So Yevon's not alone in sweeping things under the rug."
Rin: "I firmly believe that machina are an indispensable part of Spira's development."
Rin: "Even if there is another incident, I intend to conceal the evidence."
Yuna: "You really think people will follow you that way?"
Rin: "I am not alone in my thinking."
Rin: "We are researching ways to extract the vast energy that sleeps in Spira, and use it to power machina."
Paine: "You're a jackass."
Rin: "I will take that as a compliment." ~ ~ ~ Shinra: "Aha..."
Yuna: "What are you looking at?"
Shinra: "Farplane data."
Shinra: "The more I study it, the more fascinating it gets. There's limitless energy swirling around in there."
Yuna: "Limitless energy?"
Shinra: "The life force that flows through our planet...I think."
Shinra: "With a little work, we could probably extract the energy in a useable form."
Brother: "Sweet!"
Shinra: "Of course, that'd take generations."
Brother: "That's no fun!"
Buddy: "Well, still, it is something worth shooting for."
Yuna: "Think how much Spira would change if we ever got it to work! Maybe one day we could build a city full of light, one that never sleeps!"
Shinra: "No doubt about it." ~ ~ ~ Paine: "These days, people are always looking for sunken machina."
Rikku: "Yup-yup!"
Yuna: "Oh? Has Shinra been helping you with that?"
Rikku: "Ahh, now that you bring it up..."
Rikku: "Well, he left the ship and got together with Rin, and what do you think all that research they've been doing is about?"" ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:02 am
This would be what is called "easter egg hunting". While typically an easter egg is a potentially glitched scene, there are some bigger easter eggs placed into games as an attempt to boost sales though. If you look into SquareEnix sales and approval history you'll note that there are two nearly company threatening drops; after the release of Spirits Within and after the release of FFX. The Spirits Within drop led to the company merger of Squaresoft and Enix into SquareEnix. However, the FFX drop did not stay after the release of the potential connection of X to VII. Why? Because the fans eat up anything what a VII reference with a spoon. When VIII didn't sell as well as VII SE pointed out the VII easter egg and they got an influx... same thing when IX didn't sell as well as VIII. Hell, in Anthologies they added the potential of little VII sprites to walk across you VI title screen to increase sales there despite VI, formaly III, being the former easter egg reference for VII and VIII. Sorry hun... this, to me, is just SE's desparate attempt to exploit easter eggs for a bombing game.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:31 am
*nods* That could be very well, and I wouldn't doubt it, however looking into, things due tend to add up. To me X and X-2 did have a lot that seemed somehow related to VII when I played it. I could be wrong, however so far for me fact are proving otherwise. So all I guess I can do now is srugg my shoulders and say well never really know.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:24 pm
love me kiss me *nods* That could be very well, and I wouldn't doubt it, however looking into, things due tend to add up. To me X and X-2 did have a lot that seemed somehow related to VII when I played it. I could be wrong, however so far for me fact are proving otherwise. So all I guess I can do now is srugg my shoulders and say well never really know. I get what Amylin said about an easter egg, but when I first played FFX-2 and met shinra i knew there must be some kind of connection. Now looking back, it all makes perfect sense.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:38 pm
Well Like i said, I could be wrong, however things so far are adding up.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:11 pm
That all makes perfect sense. Right down to his name, I knew something was up. And think about it: ShinRa (In FFVII) was the prodigy family who created the machines to extract Mako. In X-2, Shinra was a prodigy boy genius, who knew a whole lot of stuff. And really, even some of the characters from X-2 seem eeriely similar to some of those in VII, even down to eye colors.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:12 pm
*nods* Just why I say fact point to yes.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:06 pm
Yeah. I've heard these theories before. And, you know what? At the beginnig of Dirge of Cerberus. You see Lucretia in that crystalized form. And, when you see the close up of her. almost remindsme of Yuna a little. Can't help but wonder if seh is a great descendant of her or something...
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:32 pm
We may never know, but I thought the same thing too. Only slightly though.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:21 am
Ok that makes sense. If Final Fantasy X is the start of Final Fantasy VII then Final Fantasy IX is the future... You know why? It is stated in Final Fantasy IX that (The Ancient Castle thing) the hologram shows the map of Neo-Midgar so Midgar is a history in final fantasy VII. aint it?
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:29 am
If that's true... what happened to the continent that Wutai was on? Cuz in 9, teh world is made up primarily of 3 continents.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:00 pm
yes, the world maps do change quite often don't they. Well there is also mention of space travel in the first post I made, so they could be diffrent planets. Also could be due to the planet changing because of events.
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