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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:50 pm
The fact that people think they deserve things is so strange to me. In my opinion noone deserves anything, because everyone is equal. Saying that one person deserves something and somebody else doesn't puts them above another person automatically. I know that it's necessary for our society to have a system like this. If people didn't "earn" things, there would be no order. It's just that I don't believe in it. I believe in taking what you want, it makes things so much more simple. When people think that they deserve things, it makes them full of themselves...
What do you guys think?
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:20 pm
Looks like it's just you and me. XP
I think people (all people) deserve to get a chance at their life. I mean, some of the most intelligent minds in the world may right now be hidden away in third world countries and we'll never know about it, because they never stood a chance.
I think that everyone deserves to be loved and cared for, but if there were three people going to hospital (A billionare, an average income/worker type and a poor man off the streets) then the one with the most grevious injuries / most in need of attention should go first. Unfortunatly, due to greed, it doesn't always work out the way it should.
Unfortunatly, due to greed, third world countries still exist, malnutriton, disease, etc. With just a little effort things could be made so much better, but people today aren't willing to sacrafice a few simple 'wants' in order to lend a helping hand.
People should earn their right to be paid more (deserving something more than another person, as you said in your third line) and by this I mean working harder, smarter, etc, but what about the people who never got the chance to work harder and smarter? Unfortuantly, it was just luck/chance that had us born into a 'privilaged' society.
And now down to taking what you want, making things that much simpler. Here I must disagree. We're back to greed, it's a basic human emotion, it won't just go away. If people just took what they wanted we'd be back to dictatorship. First man in is the best dressed, he takes what he wants, as much as he wants, maybe all of it. But others need it too. He would become a fat king.
The people would beg of him that which he has 'rightfully' taken to claim as his, he would ask them what they have to give in return. If they had something worth his while, he might trade, but the price would be high. He could just as easily make the man begging him for one thing run him an errand. Go out and take all of something else, and I will give you 'x' amount of what you desire. And then he has all of two things, except what he gave to the begging man (who will now not part with it easliy)
And that is only one man. Many more would do the same, and people would stand up to them. The people who play the game well, (making the right connections, killing the right men, stealing or taking the right amounts at the right time, etc), would rise to the top of a cut throat society and rule.
The only outcomes imaginable for this senario are bad. This theory works only in theory, it is not the first time I have stumbled upon it nor will it be the last. It has a specific name, but it escapes me at the moment.
It has been tried before in the past, it never works. Some countries have found a balance, but not very many.
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:36 am
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:07 am
Of course, everything is greedy. It's not just a human emotion. But with greed comes a kind of "Survival of the fittest" thing that I want to go back to. If it's that, there'd be no kings or rulers-just anarchy. And so natural selection comes back to humans. wWe're in pretty desperate need of it right now, because there are too many of us. If we lived like animals, and if we stopped thinking we deserved things, life would be much easier. There would be more equality. Noone would think themselves better than anything else 'cause we'd all be out there just surviving...
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:33 pm
I still don't see it working. I mean, we're all too comfortable with the way we live now, and we're determined to stay comfortable. We don't really wanna WORK for our living (physical work is harder) (imagine 'harder' in a whiny voice) when we can just do the same old stuff and live comfortably. I mean, even if we were all fending for ourselves and in comes survival of the fittest, you're working harder and still not living comfortably. Plus, you're at risk of losing friends and family, more so than if you're living you safe little life.
And now a question: What would you do about hospitals and the such? General care? Hygene? Etc.
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 8:38 pm
xXPsychoGardenXx: have you seen or read The Road? I really don't see survival of the fittest or anarchy being better than what we see as civilization. In the dark ages people were lucky to live to be 30, and a woman could get pregnant 9 times and not have a single one of those babies survive to see their first birthday. Say whatever you want about civilization, I'd rather live to see my 90th birthday surrounded by my family than live in a world without laws where someone could kidnap and eat your child in the name of "Survival of the Fittest".
I think that people should try make a world where we are all equal, but also a world were we have the best chance at peace & happiness. If all we wanted was equallity then why not just nuke ourselves into oblivion? Everyone would be equally dead then. No one would have more than anyone else, right?
I think that humans working together for the greater good of the whole race is a better goal than humans acting like animals. Animals look like they have it easy because they don't have to deal with income tax or politics or soap opera drama, but is dying from diarrhea before you reach your first birthday really better?
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:17 am
Exactly, which is why I asked what exactly was being planned as far as the health bit went. When that was answered, I was gonna ask how exactly we planned on 'paying' whoever worked there, let alone how they were educated, and if that system did still exist these 'educated' people would be in a position of power, they would effectivly be what we are to the world now, and we're back to where we started. And if we don't keep the health system, we all die at thirty, like you pointed out.
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:52 am
I really don't care for things like health. If people died of sicknesses then so be it, it would serve as population control. The lives that are prolonged today are prologed mainly for selfish reasons. Like, because the person thinks they deserve life or because somebody's morals would be upset if they died.
jungleratrob, I think you may be right in that it's not exactly easier. I think I'm just looking for a way to get rid of all the weak and stupid people because by natural selection they wouldn't be here anyways. It's like as humans we kinda rose to god level...we surpassed natural selection, that's just crazy...(I've never read the road, but I'll check it out.)
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:54 pm
Actually instead of The Road, if you're really into survival of the fittest you might want to read up on the works of Charles Darwin. He said something that I think is kinda interesting compared to your last post: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Basically, death and disease don't automatically home in on the weak and stupid. Strong people can still get sick and smart people can still make mistakes.
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