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 Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:22 am
What a wild finish to what will be another classic in this long running rivalry. Down by 17 going into the 4th the Colts rally and win after a failed Gamble by Bill Belicheck to go for it on 4th and 2 gave Peyton Manning 1st and 10 with 1:57 left to go, all three timeouts from the Patriots 29 yard line.
If the Patriots converted on 4th and 2, we would be praising Belicheck and his coaching decision to keep Manning off the field and get the win. But instead he will be on the receiving end of countless criticism for a good long while. Now New England is 3 game behind Indianapolis, and have lost the tie breaker.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:01 am
It's a bad call sweatdrop at the end.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:54 am
I have one word to say........ AWESOME
P. Manning is the comeback king =)
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:41 am
That was the best game this week. :3
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:01 am
Great game. But regardless if the Patriots would have picked up the first down on that play, I still think it was a bad gamble by Belichick. Colts are 9-0, when it's all said and done.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:27 am
Ryu-Shinti I have one word to say........ AWESOME P. Manning is the comeback king =) He played a part in this but I got to say this was mainly just a bad call by Bill. Peyton Manning wouldn't have came back if the Pats had punted.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:42 am
Wacko Zacho Ryu-Shinti I have one word to say........ AWESOME P. Manning is the comeback king =) He played a part in this but I got to say this was mainly just a bad call by Bill. Peyton Manning wouldn't have came back if the Pats had punted.
Trying to go for it on 4th down showed a lot of confidence in Brady and the Patriots offense, and a lot of respect to Manning in showing just how much he feared giving him a shot to win the game. Blowing the conversion gave Manning an easier job at getting the go ahead score, but if they would have gotten that first down, then Manning never would have seen that ball again. You could have said punting the ball away would have increased the difficulty of Manning being able to get the winning touchdown, but flat out saying that he wouldn't have I think that is poor judgment on your behalf. The Colts scored two previous TD's that half, they had all the momentum going for them, and Manning is one of the greatest Quarterbacks ever to play the game, he is so dangerous that if there is any chance of getting the game winning touchdown, no matter how much time is left or how many time outs you have, Manning is more than capable of pulling it off. And he said in the post game report that the colts offense have trained and prepared for a scenerio where they might have to go 70 yards of more for a game winning TD, they prepared for that this past week. It would have been tough, but never, ever count Peyton Manning out.
Another side note from this game. This win gives the Colts 18 straight regular season victories, tied for the second longest streak in NFL history. And the team that they are tied with... The New England Patriots. How Ironic that they beat the Patriots in the most improbable way to tie them for this record. A win next week at Baltimore will break the tie.
But regardless of Bill's reasons to go for it on 4th, and he had more than enough good reasons, logically he should have punted the ball, no question about it. In a post game wrap up Warren Sapp summed it up best, "It's the NFL, it's not a Madden video game. You punt the d@mn ball."
EDIT: quick note to add. In his monday address Bill Belicheck stood by his decision to go for it on 4th down. He told reporters earlier today that he felt under the circumstances that going for it gave his team a better chance to win the game in the end.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:34 pm
Japanese_Green_Tea Wacko Zacho Ryu-Shinti I have one word to say........ AWESOME P. Manning is the comeback king =) He played a part in this but I got to say this was mainly just a bad call by Bill. Peyton Manning wouldn't have came back if the Pats had punted.
Trying to go for it on 4th down showed a lot of confidence in Brady and the Patriots offense, and a lot of respect to Manning in showing just how much he feared giving him a shot to win the game. Blowing the conversion gave Manning an easier job at getting the go ahead score, but if they would have gotten that first down, then Manning never would have seen that ball again. You could have said punting the ball away would have increased the difficulty of Manning being able to get the winning touchdown, but flat out saying that he wouldn't have I think that is poor judgment on your behalf. The Colts scored two previous TD's that half, they had all the momentum going for them, and Manning is one of the greatest Quarterbacks ever to play the game, he is so dangerous that if there is any chance of getting the game winning touchdown, no matter how much time is left or how many time outs you have, Manning is more than capable of pulling it off. And he said in the post game report that the colts offense have trained and prepared for a scenerio where they might have to go 70 yards of more for a game winning TD, they prepared for that this past week. It would have been tough, but never, ever count Peyton Manning out.
Another side note from this game. This win gives the Colts 18 straight regular season victories, tied for the second longest streak in NFL history. And the team that they are tied with... The New England Patriots. How Ironic that they beat the Patriots in the most improbable way to tie them for this record. A win next week at Baltimore will break the tie.
But regardless of Bill's reasons to go for it on 4th, and he had more than enough good reasons, logically he should have punted the ball, no question about it. In a post game wrap up Warren Sapp summed it up best, "It's the NFL, it's not a Madden video game. You punt the d@mn ball."...Two true statements about this Colts/Patriots game: Peyton Manning would have been able to win the game had the Patriots punted, although it would have been much tougher. Bill Belichick made the wrong decision to go for it on fourth down in his own territory, ultimately giving the Colts the game. It was a blunder that blew up right in the Patriots' faces. That was a terrible call. I'd even be saying that if the Patriots picked up the first down on that play. Yes, Peyton Manning is a great clutch QB, but you trust your defense in that situation. The Colts would have had to gone about 70-80 yards to score, instead of 29. And the Patriots were up by six at the time, so the Colts needed a TD, not a FG. The Colts killed the clock in that short yardage anyways, and it would have been less nonchalant if they needed to go 70+ yards. Also, there are more plays to keep the opposing offense from going out of bounds. Peyton would have made more risky throws in a long and quick drive, rather than a short one. Why even create the slight possibility of giving Peyton Manning the ball, to go under 30 yards in 2:00 for a TD? That's child's play for Manning. Way too easy. We've seen him do it many times before from that short. Tack on the 40-50 yards on a punt, and it'd be almost 80 yards in 2:00 for a TD. Sure, Peyton Manning is extremely capable of that, but it's much tougher. With only one timeout, time was a factor. The Patriots defense already forced two Manning interceptions to that point, and contained the run. Quarterbacks also tend to risk more on big-play throws, but Peyton ended up being able to play very conservative with less than 30 yards to work with.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:18 pm
Alright, im a Pats fan. I hate Belicheck today, but it will probably wear off over the week. Anyway, I actually think it was a pretty good call to go for it. Its shows how much faith Belicheck has in his team too. But I think we should have did a screen to Welker. Did you see him beasting on the screens throughout the game? Oh well. Also, Peyton Manning is not the comeback king, just because he threw a nice TD pass with short yardage after a BS call that was a First down. I mean, watch it and he Clearly got the first down. Bobble or not, he gained possession before he even lost it.
But, the Colts did get the win, so I have to give them that. Lost $5.25. Bet another $5.25 on the Ravens-Browns game tonight. Hope the Browns get the "upset".
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:32 pm
Colts beat the Patriots, that is all that matters to me, lol.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:42 pm
Dude-LAP Japanese_Green_Tea I would have to disagree with you there mate. Bill went for it on 4th down because in this situation, when punting the ball away two give an opposing team one last shot at winning the game with 1:57 left and all three time outs at the ready, there are two Quarterbacks in this league that you do not want to punt that ball too. They are Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning.
Trying to go for it on 4th down showed a lot of confidence in Brady and the Patriots offense, and a lot of respect to Manning in showing just how much he feared giving him a shot to win the game. Blowing the conversion gave Manning an easier job at getting the go ahead score, but if they would have gotten that first down, then Manning never would have seen that ball again. You could have said punting the ball away would have increased the difficulty of Manning being able to get the winning touchdown, but flat out saying that he wouldn't have I think that is poor judgment on your behalf. The Colts scored two previous TD's that half, they had all the momentum going for them, and Manning is one of the greatest Quarterbacks ever to play the game, he is so dangerous that if there is any chance of getting the game winning touchdown, no matter how much time is left or how many time outs you have, Manning is more than capable of pulling it off. And he said in the post game report that the colts offense have trained and prepared for a scenerio where they might have to go 70 yards of more for a game winning TD, they prepared for that this past week. It would have been tough, but never, ever count Peyton Manning out.
Another side note from this game. This win gives the Colts 18 straight regular season victories, tied for the second longest streak in NFL history. And the team that they are tied with... The New England Patriots. How Ironic that they beat the Patriots in the most improbable way to tie them for this record. A win next week at Baltimore will break the tie.
But regardless of Bill's reasons to go for it on 4th, and he had more than enough good reasons, logically he should have punted the ball, no question about it. In a post game wrap up Warren Sapp summed it up best, "It's the NFL, it's not a Madden video game. You punt the d@mn ball." ...Two true statements about this Colts/Patriots game: Peyton Manning would have been able to win the game had the Patriots punted, although it would have been much tougher. Bill Belichick made the wrong decision to go for it on fourth down in his own territory, ultimately giving the Colts the game. It was a blunder that blew up right in the Patriots' faces. That was a terrible call. I'd even be saying that if the Patriots picked up the first down on that play. Yes, Peyton Manning is a great clutch QB, but you trust your defense in that situation. The Colts would have had to gone about 70-80 yards to score, instead of 29. And the Patriots were up by six at the time, so the Colts needed a TD, not a FG. The Colts killed the clock in that short yardage anyways, and it would have been less nonchalant if they needed to go 70+ yards. Also, there are more plays to keep the opposing offense from going out of bounds. Peyton would have made more risky throws in a long and quick drive, rather than a short one. Why even create the slight possibility of giving Peyton Manning the ball, to go under 30 yards in 2:00 for a TD? That's child's play for Manning. Way too easy. We've seen him do it many times before from that short. Tack on the 40-50 yards on a punt, and it'd be almost 80 yards in 2:00 for a TD. Sure, Peyton Manning is extremely capable of that, but it's much tougher. With only one timeout, time was a factor. The Patriots defense already forced two Manning interceptions to that point, and contained the run. Quarterbacks also tend to risk more on big-play throws, but Peyton ended up being able to play very conservative with less than 30 yards to work with.
Now I'm not defending Bill's decision, I agree that he should have punted as well, It is much tougher for even Manning to drive down to get the game winning TD from 70 to 80 yards out instead of 29. But he is still a very very very dangerous man to have to go up against. And with Tom Brady on your side, almost 500 yards of total offense for the night, and a chance to win the game at the moment with a gain of two yards, it is pretty tempting.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:31 pm
Japanese_Green_Tea Dude-LAP Japanese_Green_Tea I would have to disagree with you there mate. Bill went for it on 4th down because in this situation, when punting the ball away two give an opposing team one last shot at winning the game with 1:57 left and all three time outs at the ready, there are two Quarterbacks in this league that you do not want to punt that ball too. They are Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning.
Trying to go for it on 4th down showed a lot of confidence in Brady and the Patriots offense, and a lot of respect to Manning in showing just how much he feared giving him a shot to win the game. Blowing the conversion gave Manning an easier job at getting the go ahead score, but if they would have gotten that first down, then Manning never would have seen that ball again. You could have said punting the ball away would have increased the difficulty of Manning being able to get the winning touchdown, but flat out saying that he wouldn't have I think that is poor judgment on your behalf. The Colts scored two previous TD's that half, they had all the momentum going for them, and Manning is one of the greatest Quarterbacks ever to play the game, he is so dangerous that if there is any chance of getting the game winning touchdown, no matter how much time is left or how many time outs you have, Manning is more than capable of pulling it off. And he said in the post game report that the colts offense have trained and prepared for a scenerio where they might have to go 70 yards of more for a game winning TD, they prepared for that this past week. It would have been tough, but never, ever count Peyton Manning out.
Another side note from this game. This win gives the Colts 18 straight regular season victories, tied for the second longest streak in NFL history. And the team that they are tied with... The New England Patriots. How Ironic that they beat the Patriots in the most improbable way to tie them for this record. A win next week at Baltimore will break the tie.
But regardless of Bill's reasons to go for it on 4th, and he had more than enough good reasons, logically he should have punted the ball, no question about it. In a post game wrap up Warren Sapp summed it up best, "It's the NFL, it's not a Madden video game. You punt the d@mn ball." ...Two true statements about this Colts/Patriots game: Peyton Manning would have been able to win the game had the Patriots punted, although it would have been much tougher. Bill Belichick made the wrong decision to go for it on fourth down in his own territory, ultimately giving the Colts the game. It was a blunder that blew up right in the Patriots' faces. That was a terrible call. I'd even be saying that if the Patriots picked up the first down on that play. Yes, Peyton Manning is a great clutch QB, but you trust your defense in that situation. The Colts would have had to gone about 70-80 yards to score, instead of 29. And the Patriots were up by six at the time, so the Colts needed a TD, not a FG. The Colts killed the clock in that short yardage anyways, and it would have been less nonchalant if they needed to go 70+ yards. Also, there are more plays to keep the opposing offense from going out of bounds. Peyton would have made more risky throws in a long and quick drive, rather than a short one. Why even create the slight possibility of giving Peyton Manning the ball, to go under 30 yards in 2:00 for a TD? That's child's play for Manning. Way too easy. We've seen him do it many times before from that short. Tack on the 40-50 yards on a punt, and it'd be almost 80 yards in 2:00 for a TD. Sure, Peyton Manning is extremely capable of that, but it's much tougher. With only one timeout, time was a factor. The Patriots defense already forced two Manning interceptions to that point, and contained the run. Quarterbacks also tend to risk more on big-play throws, but Peyton ended up being able to play very conservative with less than 30 yards to work with.
Now I'm not defending Bill's decision, I agree that he should have punted as well, It is much tougher for even Manning to drive down to get the game winning TD from 70 to 80 yards out instead of 29. But he is still a very very very dangerous man to have to go up against. And with Tom Brady on your side, almost 500 yards of total offense for the night, and a chance to win the game at the moment with a gain of two yards, it is pretty tempting. The game of football is about two things: Field position and points scored. Why risk giving an easy short drive to Peyton Manning, giving him better field position and a better change to put up points? A win is more of a prize than a loss with a dominating offense. Of course, Peyton Manning is capable of game-winning drives from anywhere on the field. But in this case, you punt the ball. Give Peyton Manning much more of a field to work with. By doing that, you give the Patriots defense more chances to make plays and you give the Colts offense more chances to make mistakes. Time was also a huge factor, because as everyone knows, you waste time with a longer field. Regardless of what Manning has done a bit earlier, you punt the ball. As you said, Brady wasn't so hot towards the end. Why risk making one offensive play in one chance, when you could just make one defensive play in many chances (estimated about 10 plays for a 70-80 yard drive)? ...Between the gamble by Belichick and the endzone fumble by Maroney, the Patriots could have easily came out on top. But the Colts prevailed, and won the game.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:40 pm
i8th Wonder Of The World after a BS call that was a First down. I mean, watch it and he Clearly got the first down. Bobble or not, he gained possession before he even lost it.
But, the Colts did get the win, so I have to give them that. Lost $5.25. Bet another $5.25 on the Ravens-Browns game tonight. Hope the Browns get the "upset".
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:29 am
Japanese_Green_Tea i8th Wonder Of The World after a BS call that was a First down. I mean, watch it and he Clearly got the first down. Bobble or not, he gained possession before he even lost it.
But, the Colts did get the win, so I have to give them that. Lost $5.25. Bet another $5.25 on the Ravens-Browns game tonight. Hope the Browns get the "upset". The ball entered the player's hands in front of the first down marker. But he bobbled it, and never maintained full possession until after he was pushed behind the line. The spot was a little questionable, but I still don't think it would have given the Patriots a new set of downs. Anyways, they had no timeouts to challenge the play, and it happened just before the two-minute warning so it couldn't be reviewed in the booth.
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:17 pm
I wish i could have watched the game! i was stuck in a car for HOURS and i missed it. but i would rather not see the game and the Colts win than see it and the Colts lose.
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