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Anael De Ezra

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:53 pm


xCherry Frostx

Anyway, on the terrorist thing, the reason we don't give them a trial is because we can only give trials to either Americans or we could hold a military tribunal if they were involved with a military. But they're not. Their governments don't lay claim to them so they're basically free game and when we have belief that they might be doing something to harm our own kind of course we're not just going to let them go.

What do you think happens to the spies we send over to other countries? When they get caught, they get stuck in camps like what we have for terrorists here because our government doesn't lay claim to them.


Yes, but this is America! We pose ourselves as the upstanding moral authority of the world, but who are we to say they're wrong if we do the exact same thing?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:24 am


Anael De Ezra
xCherry Frostx

Anyway, on the terrorist thing, the reason we don't give them a trial is because we can only give trials to either Americans or we could hold a military tribunal if they were involved with a military. But they're not. Their governments don't lay claim to them so they're basically free game and when we have belief that they might be doing something to harm our own kind of course we're not just going to let them go.

What do you think happens to the spies we send over to other countries? When they get caught, they get stuck in camps like what we have for terrorists here because our government doesn't lay claim to them.


Yes, but this is America! We pose ourselves as the upstanding moral authority of the world, but who are we to say they're wrong if we do the exact same thing?


We don't do the exact same thing. Spies are there simply for recon work. They just make sure no one is out to harm us and if they are they take appropriate action.

Terrorists outright hurt people. They blow up buildings, kill children and women, that kind of thing.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:35 am


lando calrissan
people with snooty attitudes annoying like niles crane, are the same type of douchebags that would vote for john mccain.

i wonder how many years of "son this is how america is bulls**t" it took their dads to wash their brain.

those types usually dont understand how america was spawned plus how its ran..

and dont care to distinguish between people from iraq or afghanistan.

kill all the camel jockeys mentality, learned from their america is pure and righteous teaching daddies..


forget the terroristic murderous acts that got america established..

were not capable of murder and mass death only the "foreigners" are.

whats the real reason it costs so much to fuel your car?..oh those evil desert people..

propaghanda from the news is so evil..

not like obamas gonna make much of a difference and make super change

its obvious to some that he wont go the same direction as mccain

people who support and voted for bush are the most idiotic rednecks and pawns

same dumba**es who would vote for mccain would vote for bush agian..my daddy taught me people like bush are "in"...they have "our" best interest in mind..


f***in faggots lol..pompous maggots....rednecks who shoot endangered species animals for gun practice..

supremacist minded "no nothings" blinded by their tainted families "overlook our mistakes and crucify so called "foreigners" style teachings..

lets see your people in the line of fire, and see how quick the people you admire bogus
mentalities turn out to be the selfish greedy power hungry babble of liars..

youll never see, you werent meant to see..you were meant to be a follower of flawed logic...
secret society admiring idiots who boast of there so called prestigious college and vast political knowledge..eat a d**k and die....

a bunch of fools opinions is not a powerful as that of the uncomforming small fry...lol
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:39 am


Personally, I don't care for either one of them.

If McCain wins he's already said that he's bringing back to draft so.. looks like I'm moving to Canada.

And if Obama wins.. well, I just don't like him that much.

Moo Ell


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:53 am


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lando calrissan
people with snooty attitudes annoying like niles crane, are the same type of douchebags that would vote for john mccain.

i wonder how many years of "son this is how america is bulls**t" it took their dads to wash their brain.

those types usually dont understand how america was spawned plus how its ran..

and dont care to distinguish between people from iraq or afghanistan.

kill all the camel jockeys mentality, learned from their america is pure and righteous teaching daddies..


forget the terroristic murderous acts that got america established..

were not capable of murder and mass death only the "foreigners" are.

whats the real reason it costs so much to fuel your car?..oh those evil desert people..

propaghanda from the news is so evil..

not like obamas gonna make much of a difference and make super change

its obvious to some that he wont go the same direction as mccain

people who support and voted for bush are the most idiotic rednecks and pawns

same dumba**es who would vote for mccain would vote for bush agian..my daddy taught me people like bush are "in"...they have "our" best interest in mind..


f***in faggots lol..pompous maggots....rednecks who shoot endangered species animals for gun practice..

supremacist minded "no nothings" blinded by their tainted families "overlook our mistakes and crucify so called "foreigners" style teachings..

lets see your people in the line of fire, and see how quick the people you admire bogus
mentalities turn out to be the selfish greedy power hungry babble of liars..

youll never see, you werent meant to see..you were meant to be a follower of flawed logic...
secret society admiring idiots who boast of there so called prestigious college and vast political knowledge..eat a d**k and die....

a bunch of fools opinions is not a powerful as that of the uncomforming small fry...lol
Eh?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:27 pm


Moo Ell
Personally, I don't care for either one of them.

If McCain wins he's already said that he's bringing back to draft so.. looks like I'm moving to Canada.

And if Obama wins.. well, I just don't like him that much.
Man, if McCain wins, I'm coming out of the closet. XD That way, they can't draft my a** because they're afraid I'll make out with all the girls. Of course, Obama has frustrated me because he says we need to "slow down" on getting rid of Don't Ask Don't Tell, which is a bullshit policy. But it does allow me the opportunity to Do Tell and avoid the army. XD

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:35 pm


Anael De Ezra
xCherry Frostx

Anyway, on the terrorist thing, the reason we don't give them a trial is because we can only give trials to either Americans or we could hold a military tribunal if they were involved with a military. But they're not. Their governments don't lay claim to them so they're basically free game and when we have belief that they might be doing something to harm our own kind of course we're not just going to let them go.

What do you think happens to the spies we send over to other countries? When they get caught, they get stuck in camps like what we have for terrorists here because our government doesn't lay claim to them.


Yes, but this is America! We pose ourselves as the upstanding moral authority of the world, but who are we to say they're wrong if we do the exact same thing?


You're missing one key point.
We AREN'T the upstanding moral authority of the world.
Not anymore. biggrin

America used to be great. It's been screwed up in the last century or so.. slowly, slowly. Somehow I still have hope for America, but not lately with everyone tearing each other apart like wolves~
And I thought at once point that we Americans were above that.
We profess to be so amazing and enlightened, and yet this happens.

Also, I'm done with this thread. I'm sorry you felt attacked, Ezzy, but you know, you attacked and insulted me too. Like it or not, I'm generally a republican, and I stand for many things you hate. I also stand for my own freedoms, which I don't believe I'd get with Obama, because on everything I care about, he's all for control.
I am my own person, I will not be controlled.

I am for MCCAIN, and not Obama, and no matter how passionate you are or how terrible you think McCain is, you're not going to change my mind...which makes this debate pointless.
I only should have realized that sooner. :P

If America is only a country of people who rip each other apart and trash the world however they please... well, I'm not sure I'm proud to be an American.
I guess I'll ignore it and hope for America's brighter future.

Au revoir, debate thread.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:18 pm


Pixie Saylor
I give up arguing in this thread because all ya'll are republicans and I disagree with EVERYTHING you say. biggrin
I don't deal with issues. BUT I'm mostly democrat. I'm neither party though, because I don't wanna align myself with either 1, because I don't want to feel obligated to like anyone. Because that will just lead me to seem like a hardheaded jerk, and make me feel like I'm one of those people that's all "Bush is doing amazing things for this country".

Another thing is, I read Ezzy talking about the whole Hitler thing, and I REALLY don't like the fact that anytime anyone brings that up she's all in here talking about her grandparents or whatever escaping. NOW! Don't get me wrong, I agree that that WAS one of the most terrible thing that ever happened, but I don't think that yelling at anyone that brings it up is OK. If we sit around and never talk about it, because we're afraid of it hurting someones feelings, then we'll end up just turning a blind eye to it happening again, because we don't want to hurt peoples feelings.

BUT to bring this all back on topic, I have been thinking about it for a long time, if Bush just says "******** that" and just turns the country into like some psycho a** dictatorship. Like seriously, he COULD just do that, there are enough people out there who agree with him, and there are enough people who'll just let him out of fear. And he could just go around killing anyone who doesn't agree with him. So this election might just be like a fun little side show for him... THINK. ABOUT. THAT!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:01 pm


buzzkid24

Another thing is, I read Ezzy talking about the whole Hitler thing, and I REALLY don't like the fact that anytime anyone brings that up she's all in here talking about her grandparents or whatever escaping. NOW! Don't get me wrong, I agree that that WAS one of the most terrible thing that ever happened, but I don't think that yelling at anyone that brings it up is OK. If we sit around and never talk about it, because we're afraid of it hurting someones feelings, then we'll end up just turning a blind eye to it happening again, because we don't want to hurt peoples feelings.
It's a thing I have, Buzz. I'm just extremely sensitive to people cheapening or lessening the horrors 11 million people went through, and besides that, the whole mess has been on my mind lately because my grandmother actually brought it up last time I saw her.

When it comes to the Holocaust, we in the Jewish community say "Never forget" because we never want it happening again. We can't let people forget exactly what it was. I remind people of what happened to my family so they remember it could happen to theirs.

I'm sorry, it's just something I feel strongly about.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:25 pm


Moo Ell
Personally, I don't care for either one of them.

If McCain wins he's already said that he's bringing back to draft so.. looks like I'm moving to Canada.

And if Obama wins.. well, I just don't like him that much.
Moo ell, Dont ask don't tell. Rape that s**t like a mother ******** and hump the recruiter.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:45 am


Umm...? Draft? The draft has ALWAYS been in effect. Why do you think all guys have to sign it when they turn 18? It's just pointless in a way because we already have plenty of soldiers so we don't need to use it. We will never have to use it because of our number of people enlisting.

Add on~

Oh yeah, what's with the Holocaust anyway? 6 million Jews? That's like, nothing compared to the Russian Pogram where 26 million people were killed, the majority of which being Jewish.

Why don't we ever hear about that?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:29 am


xCherry Frostx
Why don't we ever hear about that?

Because Russia has nukes aimed at you... that's 90% of the reason.
The other 10% is because people make fun of Hitler but not Stalin d:

Bellecat


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:17 am


I have ignored this thread in the past.....

But after seeing this, I dicided not to be silent anymore.

Watch the video from the beginning to the end.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:10 am


Bellecat
xCherry Frostx
Why don't we ever hear about that?

Because Russia has nukes aimed at you... that's 90% of the reason.
The other 10% is because people make fun of Hitler but not Stalin d:
Or because it happened over a really long period of time and Russia was a hugely powerful a** and everyone was already in a hissy over Germany anyway and no one could agree enough to ******** with Russia who were already Kicking Germany's a** and then we all forgot because we were scared and then we figured we learned from the holocaust genocide so we learned that beating up jews was bad. And also Russie's didn't create a world war and they hushed it better and they didn't try and conquer the world.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:10 am


random guy on myspace
Listening to the mainstream media these last few days I've learned a few
things about the GOP's VP nominee but also had to learn a few things on my
own.
To wit:

1.
From the media I learned Sarah Palin's husband has a DUI conviction
from 22 years ago.
On my own I learned that Ted Kennedy (hero of last week's tribute at the
DNC) was drunk while driving a car off a bridge in Chappaquiddick.
That
same crash killed a young campaign volunteer with whom he was having an
affair. Oh, and that woman was pregnant with his child.

* Mr.
Palin's (who is not running for office) DUI came a mere 4 years
after Barack Obama (who is running for president) stopped using cocaine
and marijuana (by his own admission in his autobiography).


Shocking - it's OK for the presidential candidate to use drugs or the
party patriarch to kill someone while driving drunk yet the husband of a
VP candidate should be demonized for something done 22 years ago.


2. From the media I learned that Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant.

* On my own I learned that Joe Biden's (the other VP candidate) son was
paid a large amount of money as a consultant to credit card company MBNA.

That same company had business before Senator Joe Biden concerning
regulation of consumer credit practices.
After the company paid a hefty
sum to Mr.
Biden's son, he voted in favor of legislation to help that
company.

* That same son, Hunter, is also engaged in a legal investigation and suit
for defrauding a former business partner

Shocking - it's a crime for the republican VP candidate to have a child
who's pregnant even though it's irrelevant to how she performs her job.

It's ok, however, for the democrat VP candidate while a senator to vote in
favor of a company who paid his son over a quarter of a million dollars.


3.
From the media I learned that Sarah Palin should be considered
"selfish" for agreeing to run for VP knowing about her daughter's
condition.
Knowing th at her public role would bring extra scrutiny on the
family is selfish and she should have declined to protect her child
(actually heard this on ABC this weekend).


Strange - the same people who said Sarah is selfish for running for VP did
not seem to care about any impact on Chelsea when Bill Clinton had his
dalliance with Monica Lewinsky.
That was a private, personal matter you
see.


4.
From the media I have learned to be "concerned" that Sarah Palin
probably won't be able to manage her family and do an effective job of
being VP at the same time.


Funny - I never heard anything about Hillary's ability to support Chelsea
while re-doing healthcare or any of the other feminist icons who say you
can balance work and family.
They also never mention that Barack will
have to balance time with his children while meeting with heads of rogue
nations or how Joe Biden's kids don't even have a mom and will be fighting
for his time while he hosts white house coffee fundraisers and sells
nights in the Lincoln bedroom.


5.
From the media I have learned that Sarah Palin is "too inexperienced"
to be a heartbeat-away from the presidency.

* Apparently taking on corruption in your own party and running a state
that's the same size people-wise as Delaware (hint hint: that's where Joe
Biden is from) is not really experience.

* However, time spent as a "community organizer" and less than 180 days in
the senate where you've authored no significant legislation is just the
type of "change" we're looking for from the top of the ticket.


Funny - inexperience at the top of the ticket is a mantra for "change" and
"hope" while strong practical everyday experience as the #2 is cause for
concern.

;
6.
From the media I learned that Sarah Palin's husband once got a ticket
for fishing without a license.

* I haven't heard much about the fact that if he were still a practicing
attorney, the VP candidate Joe Biden would be dis-barred for plagiarism not
once but multiple times.


It's ok to break the rules if you're a democrat candidate but not Ok if
you are the spouse of a republican candidate.


7.
From the media I learned that Sarah Palin doesn't know much about
Iraq ; in fact we wonder if she even knows where it is.

* Sarah's son volunteered into the US military and is now deployed in
Iraq . I guess that doesn't count.


Sarah has spent more time with troops in Iraq (as commander of the Alaska
National Guard she visited Iraq last year) than Obama has even while
running for president.
In fact, when Sarah went to Iraq she spent time
with the troops.
When Obama went there, he skipped a base visit to
instead go work out at the Ritz Carlton.


8.
From the media I learned that Sarah Palin is a "lightweight" and she
better be a "quick study" to keep up with this team.


Funny, nobody is talking about how, after Barack Obama had "visited 57
states" according to him he only had "5 more to go" or endless other
stupid gaffes that expose who he really is.


9.
From the media I have learned that (gasp!), Sarah Palin's husband was
once a registered member of a 3rd party that favored states' rights (man,
this is really bad stuff).


* That same media has been silent to the story that when Barack Obama
announced his first senate run, he did so in the home of William Ayers.

Mr. Ayers is an un-repentant terrorist convicted for bombing the pentagon.

This same Mr.
Ayers said on 9/11 that he and his group did not do enough
to harm our military and he wished he had done more.
During the same time
as that comment, he was serving on a board with Barack Obama.
All notes
and information about their serving together is now locked up by the
corrupt Chicago machine and reporter access to those records are being
blocked by the Obama campaign.


If we've had any doubts about the bias of the media, it's pretty clear now
where they stand.
Pass this on to some of your friends who are on the
fence and who get all their information from Katie Couric, Wolf Blitzer,
Tom Brokaw and the gang. This is egregious and corrupt.
The only way to
stop it is to spread information using other outlets and make these guys
irrelevant.
I dont know why I'm posting this, it was from some random guy I dont know on myspace who gave absolutely no proof so its kind of a complete waste XD But if anyone has proof that what he's saying is true, I think its really interesting 3nodding
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