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 Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:54 pm
Zepia Eltnam Oberon Pixie Saylor I give up arguing in this thread because all ya'll are republicans and I disagree with EVERYTHING you say. biggrin GOOD POINT. I'll argue with you bout palin if you want biggrin
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:57 pm
Pixie Saylor Zepia Eltnam Oberon Pixie Saylor I give up arguing in this thread because all ya'll are republicans and I disagree with EVERYTHING you say. biggrin GOOD POINT. I'll argue with you bout palin if you want biggrin
I mean, how do we fairly disagree on how much of a b***h inspirational figure b***h inspirational b***h she is?
I mean... um... help me out here.
Maggeh is Canadian. That makes him somewhat slow by default.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:45 pm
Only three and a half of us are Republican.
I'm not sure about Nymphie. >.>
And two of those are me and Wrennie. :D
And you only think we all are because I'm like all over this thread. WHOO.
~~~~~
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:00 pm
Nymphiedora Bellecat Nymphiedora So I thought it was really interesting that even though our economy is the same the people are sooo much different. I mean yes there are starving, homeless people all over, but not like in the Great Depression where almost everyone was like that. People still have homes and food and can still afford to go to school. So yay America for coming so far in that aspect :3 The only reason America ISN'T like that right now is because the banks are taking loans out with the government/other countries to keep themselves stable. Once they want their money back, you're screwed. D: Back in the Great Depression time they couldnt do that. Hence we are better off so yay us for improving whee ... it's not really improving on anything, because I don't consider artificially stabilizing your dollar an improvement. And you're not really better off because your economy is built on lies and the money of countries that want to be the next world superpower. d:
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:11 pm
Sylfaen Only three and a half of us are Republican.
I'm not sure about Nymphie. >.>
And two of those are me and Wrennie. :D
And you only think we all are because I'm like all over this thread. WHOO.
~~~~~ And me! Who is pretty much republican, but I'm just an observer, I have little to add to the debate.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:22 pm
This thread went way too fast for me. XD
No, my big thing about me avoiding this thread is when I start talking about politics, it becomes very personal for me.
And the comparation of Barack Obama to Hitler is especially insulting to me and my family. My grandmother was lucky to make it out of Auschwitz, and even suggesting a benign political figure could do something in comparison to those horrors strikes me to the core.
Besides that, our president already does that now, which enrages me beyond belief. Permanent imprisonment for charges they aren't informed of, with evidence they can't see and no constitutional rights? Jesus Christ, when did terrorists become dogs, the kind that are put down without a second chance to defend their actions? Really, if the US government has caught a terrorist, then they will have irrefutable evidence and won't have to bother hiding it, and if they're really terrorists, they will be convicted in a jury trial.
Bank bailouts. Pouring money into a pointless war. "Economic stimulus." Congress ain't doin' s**t either, but the man in charge isn't helping. Bear in mind, McCain voted the way the man in charge wanted Congress to vote 90% of the time.
Let's not forget McCain's pandering towards religious leaders. In 2004, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell were intolerant, in 2008, they're his friends. He'll institute Leviticus if he thinks it'll get him votes.
Not to say Barack Obama hasn't done some pandering himself, but at least he's consistent about who he's pandering to.
I love America. I love living here. But I HATE what our government is doing to it. I love America. America lost my voter registration in the mail. If I were voting, I would vote for Barack Obama because I like his ideas and his passion and his desire to help those who need help.
I'm voting for Barack Obama because I'm a ******** patriot. I'm voting for Barack Obama because I love America.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:28 pm
Bellecat Nymphiedora Bellecat Nymphiedora So I thought it was really interesting that even though our economy is the same the people are sooo much different. I mean yes there are starving, homeless people all over, but not like in the Great Depression where almost everyone was like that. People still have homes and food and can still afford to go to school. So yay America for coming so far in that aspect :3 The only reason America ISN'T like that right now is because the banks are taking loans out with the government/other countries to keep themselves stable. Once they want their money back, you're screwed. D: Back in the Great Depression time they couldnt do that. Hence we are better off so yay us for improving whee ... it's not really improving on anything, because I don't consider artificially stabilizing your dollar an improvement. And you're not really better off because your economy is built on lies and the money of countries that want to be the next world superpower. d: I think the fact that the majority of America is not on the streets or living in shacks which no food and no utilities and no jobs is a huge improvement. I mean would you rather live in American back then or now?
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:36 pm
Zepia Eltnam Oberon Pixie Saylor Zepia Eltnam Oberon Pixie Saylor I give up arguing in this thread because all ya'll are republicans and I disagree with EVERYTHING you say. biggrin GOOD POINT. I'll argue with you bout palin if you want biggrin
I mean, how do we fairly disagree on how much of a b***h inspirational figure b***h inspirational b***h she is?
I mean... um... help me out here.
Maggeh is Canadian. That makes him somewhat slow by default.
i'm nonpartisan, but i <3 Sarah Palin. emo heart
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:46 pm
Anael De Ezra This thread went way too fast for me. XD No, my big thing about me avoiding this thread is when I start talking about politics, it becomes very personal for me. And the comparation of Barack Obama to Hitler is especially insulting to me and my family. My grandmother was lucky to make it out of Auschwitz, and even suggesting a benign political figure could do something in comparison to those horrors strikes me to the core. Besides that, our president already does that now, which enrages me beyond belief. Permanent imprisonment for charges they aren't informed of, with evidence they can't see and no constitutional rights? Jesus Christ, when did terrorists become dogs, the kind that are put down without a second chance to defend their actions? Really, if the US government has caught a terrorist, then they will have irrefutable evidence and won't have to bother hiding it, and if they're really terrorists, they will be convicted in a jury trial. Bank bailouts. Pouring money into a pointless war. "Economic stimulus." Congress ain't doin' s**t either, but the man in charge isn't helping. Bear in mind, McCain voted the way the man in charge wanted Congress to vote 90% of the time. Let's not forget McCain's pandering towards religious leaders. In 2004, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell were intolerant, in 2008, they're his friends. He'll institute Leviticus if he thinks it'll get him votes. Not to say Barack Obama hasn't done some pandering himself, but at least he's consistent about who he's pandering to. I love America. I love living here. But I HATE what our government is doing to it. I love America. America lost my voter registration in the mail. If I were voting, I would vote for Barack Obama because I like his ideas and his passion and his desire to help those who need help. I'm voting for Barack Obama because I'm a ******** patriot. I'm voting for Barack Obama because I love America.You say comparing Obama to Hitler is insulting to you, and yet you're insulting me because I believe McCain is a good thing for our country. :/
So you're the only one who's allowed to be all amazing and righteous and patriotic, because Obama is perfect and you're right and I'm wrong, and we're not allowed to say anything you dislike?
I'm sorry, my reaction to this is strong, but your words come off to me as very, VERY rude.
1. MCCAIN IS NOT BUSH. I'm sorry, people, but this needs to be said. Just because Barack Freaking Obama says so doesn't mean it's true. I'm not EVEN going to go into reasons here, because that would take about fifty years, and I'd only be flamed for them anyway.
2. THe reason some people compare Obama to Hitler is because HITLER WAS CONTROLLING. Bigger government=not controlling? Sorry, I don't really see how that works. People got along fine in the past without ginormous governments, and they can now too. The government should be there to aid and supervise this country, not RULE it. I thought that's why we LEFT England in the first place. :/
3. It seems to me that Obama panders to a lot more than just a few people. He almost never defines his opinions or his take on things, I hear nothing more than "~CHANGE!~" and "YES WE CAN!" from him... Yes we can what?.. and from what I've seen, he can't seem to keep the same opinion on things for very long... I mean, he can't seem to decide whether he supports Palestine or Israel. I also don't see much in his life story that speaks of the integrity and qualities I'd want to see in the man running my country.
4. He may smile a lot and make lots of promises, but I don't think I'd ever use the word "benign" to describe him. :P
And EVEN if those other arguments mean nothing to you, the very first part is the one part I WILL hold strong on. By saying it that way, you're outright insulting anyone who doesn't like Obama. I'm not a terrorist for liking McCain, thank you.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:48 pm
The Retanator Sylfaen Only three and a half of us are Republican.
I'm not sure about Nymphie. >.>
And two of those are me and Wrennie. :D
And you only think we all are because I'm like all over this thread. WHOO.
~~~~~ And me! Who is pretty much republican, but I'm just an observer, I have little to add to the debate. Okay, and you too. xD
Although I am feeling a lot like I'm getting hammered on all sides for my opinions.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:06 pm
I'm going to have to ask that everyone please tone down the arguments and debating in here a little. Its getting a bit drama-esque. And I know that I technically hold no authority on the matter, but I still don't want to see fights break out, mkay?
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:08 pm
I made that post to make a point, and I'm sorry if I came off as insulting to you, Sylfy. Just to show why I feel like I'm being attacked.
I was channelling every Republican speaker I've heard, every Fox newscaster, and my own father. If I'd really wanted to drive it home, while you were talking, I would have started chanting "USA USA USA" to drown you out. How do you think we feel when you start doing it to us?
See, Republicans are usually the ones who can play the patriot card, and you've made it sound, this entire thread, like Barack Obama is a monster and will turn the country into a communist paradise.
First off, I knew John McCain was too much like Bush for comfort before the Democrats started saying so. I did it before it was cool. Palin is perhaps twice as bad.
As for his life story- a man born into discrimination who rose above, paid his own way through an Ivy League school (complete with student loans), and worked in a leadership position in a major US city? John McCain was a soldier who was captured and tortured for five years (an experience cheapened by how frequently his supporters mentioned it) has served his country well- in the military. He would serve America well in a position leading the army through these tough times, but I don't think military experience has anything to do with international relations. Don't get me started with what Margaret Cho wrote in her blog on the subject.
And I don't get the stigma over Palestine. The Palestinians were there before Israel was, and the world powers just shoved them aside to make room for Israel. I think we need to support BOTH of them and give each of them their own state. YES. I SAID IT. PALESTINE DESERVES ITS OWN STATE AND ISRAEL NEEDS TO STOP ENCROACHING ON THEM.
And both candidates seem pretty benign to me. Like tumors. I'm not saying Barack Obama is the best man for the job, but Stephen Colbert got kicked out of the race and I don't think John McCain would help the country like you think he will.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:31 pm
Stephen Colbert, the best man in the race? XD
Granted, Colbert / Stewart is something many fans would relish, but I don't really think it would be all that great. No matter how ******** awesome the two of them are.
Besides, Colbert didn't even want to be president. He just wanted to run for it.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:01 pm
Nymphiedora Bellecat Nymphiedora Bellecat Nymphiedora So I thought it was really interesting that even though our economy is the same the people are sooo much different. I mean yes there are starving, homeless people all over, but not like in the Great Depression where almost everyone was like that. People still have homes and food and can still afford to go to school. So yay America for coming so far in that aspect :3 The only reason America ISN'T like that right now is because the banks are taking loans out with the government/other countries to keep themselves stable. Once they want their money back, you're screwed. D: Back in the Great Depression time they couldnt do that. Hence we are better off so yay us for improving whee ... it's not really improving on anything, because I don't consider artificially stabilizing your dollar an improvement. And you're not really better off because your economy is built on lies and the money of countries that want to be the next world superpower. d: I think the fact that the majority of America is not on the streets or living in shacks which no food and no utilities and no jobs is a huge improvement. I mean would you rather live in American back then or now? I would rather not live in America, Canada is just fine, thank you. And it seems like an improvement on the surface, but it's not, really. It's like life support. The person's going to die anyway, or should've died a long time ago, and someone out there's too bitter to let them go.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:49 pm
@Anael:
I agree with the hitler-comparison thing. I hate it when people compare people with Hitler who obviously don't deserve it. I just hate it because of how evil Hitler was, no one has done anything yet to be close to that except for Sadaam and Kim Jong Ill.
Anyway, on the terrorist thing, the reason we don't give them a trial is because we can only give trials to either Americans or we could hold a military tribunal if they were involved with a military. But they're not. Their governments don't lay claim to them so they're basically free game and when we have belief that they might be doing something to harm our own kind of course we're not just going to let them go.
What do you think happens to the spies we send over to other countries? When they get caught, they get stuck in camps like what we have for terrorists here because our government doesn't lay claim to them.
On other things~
I feel as though Barack does not have enough experience to be president. And I definately agree with Sylf on the fact that he makes a lot of empty promises saying things like "We can do it!" But he doesn't explain how. Listen to his speaches, he makes a ton of promises but does he have a plan to make them work? Has he detailed the plan out so that we know it'll actually work? No.
Plus the fact that a large majority of the people voting for Barack have no real reason why they are voting for him, or the reason they have is so lame bothers me to a GREAT extent. There are tons of people voting for Barack just because he's black. And that's it! The main thought was "He's young, hip, and black!" So he appeals to a lot of the youngers, unfortunately, (and I say this being young) I feel as though just because you're 18 doesn't mean you aren't still impressionable. I feel as though a lot of people my age aren't mature enough to vote. That's what scares me. People are voting for Obama just because it's the "cool" thing to do. I thought I had enough of this kind of voting after I got out of High School.
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