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 Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:33 pm
Monkeyman50 Saiyan Master Vegeta Monkeyman50 Proof? Well I can't explain it that good. Then all the more reason to show your claims as incorrect. Monkeyman50 Doesn't matter. I said Chan was faster than him, Good for you. Unless you can prove it with some kind of factual evidence, your word means nothing. Monkeyman50 Well he's stronger than him. Again, you've proven nothing on Chan's part. Monkeyman50 I'm proving that Chan is stronger than Hercule! No, quite the opposite. You've managed to prove that you know little-to-nothing about both contendants, and that most of what you say is completely biased. Okay. Will it be better if I just say Hercule would win. You keep dising me. First of all, I'm not dissing you. You're using that out of context. I'm showing how your arguments are flawed and make limited sense. Second, you don't have to throw in the towel just for the hell of it. You can still debate, but try to use facts and evidence; otherwise known as proof, in order to assist your claims.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:52 pm
Monkeyman50 doctor_logical Monkeyman50 Saiyan Master Vegeta Monkeyman50 Let me settle it right here. Chan-sensei would just Annihilate Hercule. Much stronger. Jackie is also a good singer. Seriously, I'm going to have to give you a warning if you keep making claims with nothing to back it up. Well how do want me to back things up? With Canon facts. Proof. Something that shows just how strong he is and how it compares to Satan. Well the proof is in his movies. Jackie Chan is so fast and in one of his movies, he jumps building to build. Didn't see Hercule do that. In all of chan's movies. He is always strong and fast. And how it compares to Hercule. Well Chan's much stronger than him because I have never see Hercule fight a true warrior. Unlike him, Chan had fought many stronger villians.   Satan survives a punch from Kid Buu. That's incredible durability when knowing that Raditz killed a farmer by flicking a bullet back at him with two fingers. Therefore, Satan takes durability by a landslide. Also note that Satan is only a coward when fighting people he knows he's guaranteed to lose to (such as Cell). You say that Jackie's stronger than Satan, yet you haven't proven such. Chan is simply an average person who is exceptionally skilled at martial arts. Satan is a World Champion Martial Artist in his universe. Within reasonable doubt, he's most likely faced people faster and stronger than Chan.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:08 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Monkeyman50 doctor_logical Monkeyman50 Saiyan Master Vegeta Monkeyman50 Let me settle it right here. Chan-sensei would just Annihilate Hercule. Much stronger. Jackie is also a good singer. Seriously, I'm going to have to give you a warning if you keep making claims with nothing to back it up. Well how do want me to back things up? With Canon facts. Proof. Something that shows just how strong he is and how it compares to Satan. Well the proof is in his movies. Jackie Chan is so fast and in one of his movies, he jumps building to build. Didn't see Hercule do that. In all of chan's movies. He is always strong and fast. And how it compares to Hercule. Well Chan's much stronger than him because I have never see Hercule fight a true warrior. Unlike him, Chan had fought many stronger villians. Satan survives a punch from Kid Buu. That's incredible durability when knowing that Raditz killed a farmer by flicking a bullet back at him with two fingers. Therefore, Satan takes durability by a landslide. Also note that Satan is only a coward when fighting people he knows he's guaranteed to lose to (such as Cell). You say that Jackie's stronger than Satan, yet you haven't proven such. Chan is simply an average person who is exceptionally skilled at martial arts. Satan is a World Champion Martial Artist in his universe. Within reasonable doubt, he's most likely faced people faster and stronger than Chan. That doesn't prove anything. So he survived a punch from Buu. I think we are talking about Hercule vs. Jackie Chan. I mean sure, He survived a punch from Buu. Buu was probaly not even using full power. Who knows, maybe Hercule can't survive a puch from Jackie Chan. You know, I learned something today. Debating is really hard. Exspeacilaly if you have to debate against two different beings from an anime and real life.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:12 pm
Monkeyman, you're at the verge of getting a second warning. Those scans prove a lot more than you think. Stop disregarding your fellow debators' evidence. That's partially why you got your first warning.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:17 pm
Saiyan Master Vegeta Monkeyman, you're at the verge of getting a second warning. Those scans prove a lot more than you think. Stop disregarding your fellow debators' evidence. That's partially why you got your first warning. Wait I just have a question. Isn't this guild about debating?
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:41 pm
Yes, it is. Your point . . . ?
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:47 pm
Oh sorry. Disregarding means to ignore right?
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:50 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:56 pm
So the main reason I got my first strike is because I'm ignoring the other debaters?
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:08 pm
You got your first warning for the following reasons:
1 - Consistent lack of evidence
2 - Over-use of personal opinions and biased claims
3 - Ignorance of fellow debaters' points
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:34 pm
Heres a video clip of cell hitting Hercule (sorry its not a great quality video). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8_LU-oUUCwHercule took this blow and that hit from Buu and survived them, not only that but got up afterwards. Jackie Chan is nowhere near strong enough to generate even close to a quarter of that kind of punching power. I say to you again Monkeyman50, Jackie Chan is only a normal human being with martial arts skills. Hercule is a world champion martial artist who has defeated some of the best human (normal human) martial artists in his respective universe.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:10 pm
After reviewing the thread, I say that Saiyan_Master_Vegeta was justified in warning you, as you have been making unsupported claims (not providing evidence to back up what you say) and ignoring/not taking into account evidence presented against your position.
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:15 pm
Tristan_Alexander Heres a video clip of cell hitting Hercule (sorry its not a great quality video). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8_LU-oUUCwHercule took this blow and that hit from Buu and survived them, not only that but got up afterwards. Jackie Chan is nowhere near strong enough to generate even close to a quarter of that kind of punching power. I say to you again Monkeyman50, Jackie Chan is only a normal human being with martial arts skills. Hercule is a world champion martial artist who has defeated some of the best human (normal human) martial artists in his respective universe. Hercule survived a blast from cell and buu. To do that, you must have be very very strong. Yes, Hercule is the world martial arts champion. Yes Hercule might be the strongest human a mother earth. Yes, Hercule might be the strongest human in the entire universe. But if their was a human being named Jackie Chan, Hercule might not be the world's strongest. Like I said it is pretty hard to debate against a hero of anime and a hero of life. In anime things are fictional. In real life things are real. Maybe because you all thing Hercule would win is because he is in a fictional enviroment. With Jackie Chan things are tougher in life. Jackie Chan has practiced kung fu ever since he was little boy. But ofcourse that doesn't mean anything. Jackie Chan is stronger, ofcourse that doesn't mean anything. Jackie Chan is better, but ofcourse that doesn't mean anything. Hercule survived a blast from from cell," ofcourse that means something. "Oh, Hercule is the World Matsial Arts Champion, of course that means something. Hercule is the strongest human in the entire universe, of course that means something. In my eyes I just see Jackie winning because I think he's stronger. In everybody else's eyes, they see Hercule winning because they think Hercule is stronger and he's the martial arts champion and the strongest in the world. And what it seems to be the number one reason, Hercule survived a punch from cell. If Chan was there he probaly would have survived a blast. Chan has stuided kung fu for yearsand in my mind, much stronger than Hercule. Chan is stronger than Hercule because well I can't explain it well but in my mind Chan would kick a**! Hoped I proved something. neutral
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:41 pm
You're making this debate more difficult than it needs to be. Comparing a fictional character to a real-life character is not hard. Humans in the DBU are quite similar to those in real life. Hercule is no exception (as he is also human), however, he displays an incredible amount of durability; far greater than any other humans (excluding Z Fighters) have shown. Assuming that Chan might out-class Hercule if he was in the DBU is an unfounded guess. In other words, it's simply a matter of opinion which has no bearing. Monkeyman50 Jackie Chan has practiced kung fu ever since he was little boy. But ofcourse that doesn't mean anything. Stop making yourself seem like the victim. Chan practicing Martial Arts since he was a child does count for something (experience). Monkeyman50 Jackie Chan is stronger, ofcourse that doesn't mean anything. Wrong, and right. Wrong: Chan is not stronger. You haven't proven it. Right: It doesn't mean anything, because it hasn't been proven. Monkeyman50 Jackie Chan is better, but ofcourse that doesn't mean anything. Define "better". That's incredibly vague. Monkeyman50 Hercule survived a blast from from cell," ofcourse that means something. Yes, you're right, it does mean something. You know why? It's factual evidence. There's nothing to prove it wrong. However, your theories can be proven wrong due to them being solely opinion-based. Monkeyman50 "Oh, Hercule is the World Matsial Arts Champion, of course that means something. Hercule is the strongest human in the entire universe, of course that means something. Right again, they do mean something. Being the World Martial Arts Champion is a title that only one person can receive. And if you have it, you'd better be pretty damn good at martial arts . . . and you've probably faced people stronger and faster than Chan.
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:45 am
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