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 Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:41 pm
Zslone2 CH1YO Zslone2 Because I don't believe in him. He doesn't exist so therefore he cannot "show himself to me" when he doesn't exist. And yet again my point has to be restated. " WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS RIGHT OR WRONG" and I find your earlier post preaching your religion, while u don't consider it I do and just like the post I am currently responding to please don't bring your religion's god into this were just trying to ask if your religion is right not if "god" is revealing himself to anyone. Surely something is amiss? And u mean? What's a miss? The bolded somewhat are contrary one from another.
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:20 pm
She said we are saved by the grace of god. I don't believe in him so i expressed my views. However looking from a non religious stand point no one actually knows what god(s) actually exist so as such we don't know who's views are right or wrong. Understand my point?
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:29 pm
I try and take the stance that every religion or belief system, contains at least some hint of truth, no matter how "out there" the beliefs may seem to us.
I cannot honestly say that there is one absolutely right religion, nor can I say that there is one absolutely wrong religion either. They all seem to have struck a common ground of containing some truths and some falsities.
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:16 pm
Wow, so skeptically cute people are on this topic lately.
My opinion in shortest possible way: we don't know how would world look like if there was God or if there wasn't God. That's why we can't know. If we can't compare it with anything it's always hypothetical. We can believe and faith can be rational, but stating that "God exists" or the opposite is, well, a nonsense.
Thank you.
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:23 pm
Zslone2 She said we are saved by the grace of god. I don't believe in him so i expressed my views. However looking from a non religious stand point no one actually knows what god(s) actually exist so as such we don't know who's views are right or wrong. Understand my point? It is absurd both to argue for the primacy o one's beliefs and for the fallibility of belief.
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:24 pm
Shadows-shine I try and take the stance that every religion or belief system, contains at least some hint of truth, no matter how "out there" the beliefs may seem to us. I cannot honestly say that there is one absolutely right religion, nor can I say that there is one absolutely wrong religion either. They all seem to have struck a common ground of containing some truths and some falsities. If there are truths and falsities then there must be one true and proper religion, if only theoretically existent.
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:27 pm
Raticiel Wow, so skeptically cute people are on this topic lately. My opinion in shortest possible way: we don't know how would world look like if there was God or if there wasn't God. That's why we can't know. If we can't compare it with anything it's always hypothetical. We can believe and faith can be rational, but stating that "God exists" or the opposite is, well, a nonsense. Thank you. I aim to please. Personal proof is unshakable.
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:27 pm
CH1YO Raticiel Wow, so skeptically cute people are on this topic lately. My opinion in shortest possible way: we don't know how would world look like if there was God or if there wasn't God. That's why we can't know. If we can't compare it with anything it's always hypothetical. We can believe and faith can be rational, but stating that "God exists" or the opposite is, well, a nonsense. Thank you. I aim to please. Personal proof is unshakable. You mean my own little something living in my mind that I find a personal proof? Sure, why not. But it's a nonsense. A valuable one.
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:10 pm
CH1YO Shadows-shine I try and take the stance that every religion or belief system, contains at least some hint of truth, no matter how "out there" the beliefs may seem to us. I cannot honestly say that there is one absolutely right religion, nor can I say that there is one absolutely wrong religion either. They all seem to have struck a common ground of containing some truths and some falsities. If there are truths and falsities then there must be one true and proper religion, if only theoretically existent. But perhaps every religion/belief system that they practice is absolutely and totally correct to just those who practice it?
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:47 am
CH1YO Shadows-shine I try and take the stance that every religion or belief system, contains at least some hint of truth, no matter how "out there" the beliefs may seem to us. I cannot honestly say that there is one absolutely right religion, nor can I say that there is one absolutely wrong religion either. They all seem to have struck a common ground of containing some truths and some falsities. If there are truths and falsities then there must be one true and proper religion, if only theoretically existent. Yes, maybe, but there is no way to prove who is 100% correct or not. Just like there is no way to prove that God exists or doesn't exist.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:00 pm
brainnsoup dio777 Zslone2 huh? that makes no sense? how do you know ur right? How do u know that the guy/girl next to u is or isnt right? Its again just an endless argument with everyone claiming their religion is right. We can never know this while living, ok no one is right and no one is wrong we just don't know ok! Yes we can know, through the grace of god revealing it to us. Well, the bible says that salvation can only be achieved through Christ, which therefore excludes Muslims from salvation. Now, if god were to reveal himself to me as Christ and testify to me that salvation can be arrived at through him alone, then I know the Muslims claim to divine reveltion suggesting that he can be savied through Islam must be a false. @Zslone2 - This isnt a position I actually hold, im just playing devils advocate for the sake of argument.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:30 pm
brainnsoup dio777 Zslone2 huh? that makes no sense? how do you know ur right? How do u know that the guy/girl next to u is or isnt right? Its again just an endless argument with everyone claiming their religion is right. We can never know this while living, ok no one is right and no one is wrong we just don't know ok! Yes we can know, through the grace of god revealing it to us. Can I jump in? I admit I haven't read the entire topic (if anyone insists I will, but I'm a little short on time right now sweatdrop ) One big clue it is the Christian religion is the fact we have a villain in our religion, someone who can cause problems, and even perform false miracles-Satan. The most effective lies are those that seem the most like the truth. In athiesm, the major flaw is you're saying there is no God, but you can't prove it, whereas a miracle (to many, not all) is proof enough that there is a God. Once you acknowledge there is a God, it's important to look for the correct one, the religion which explains everything from the nature of mankind to how to deal with that nature. More information here: http://www.faithclipart.com/guide/christian-apologetics/christian-arguments-against-atheism.html
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:47 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup dio777 Zslone2 huh? that makes no sense? how do you know ur right? How do u know that the guy/girl next to u is or isnt right? Its again just an endless argument with everyone claiming their religion is right. We can never know this while living, ok no one is right and no one is wrong we just don't know ok! Yes we can know, through the grace of god revealing it to us. Can I jump in? I admit I haven't read the entire topic (if anyone insists I will, but I'm a little short on time right now sweatdrop ) One big clue it is the Christian religion is the fact we have a villain in our religion, someone who can cause problems, and even perform false miracles-Satan. The most effective lies are those that seem the most like the truth. In athiesm, the major flaw is you're saying there is no God, but you can't prove it, whereas a miracle (to many, not all) is proof enough that there is a God. Once you acknowledge there is a God, it's important to look for the correct one, the religion which explains everything from the nature of mankind to how to deal with that nature. More information here: http://www.faithclipart.com/guide/christian-apologetics/christian-arguments-against-atheism.html Keep in mind though, that miracles are not used to convince those who don't believe in God, but they are there to strengthen those who do believe in God. Jesus performed many miracles and those who didn't believe in Him said that He was possessed with a devil.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:58 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup dio777 Zslone2 huh? that makes no sense? how do you know ur right? How do u know that the guy/girl next to u is or isnt right? Its again just an endless argument with everyone claiming their religion is right. We can never know this while living, ok no one is right and no one is wrong we just don't know ok! Yes we can know, through the grace of god revealing it to us. Can I jump in? I admit I haven't read the entire topic (if anyone insists I will, but I'm a little short on time right now sweatdrop ) One big clue it is the Christian religion is the fact we have a villain in our religion, someone who can cause problems, and even perform false miracles-Satan. The most effective lies are those that seem the most like the truth. In athiesm, the major flaw is you're saying there is no God, but you can't prove it, whereas a miracle (to many, not all) is proof enough that there is a God. Once you acknowledge there is a God, it's important to look for the correct one, the religion which explains everything from the nature of mankind to how to deal with that nature. More information here: http://www.faithclipart.com/guide/christian-apologetics/christian-arguments-against-atheism.html I don't mean to sound mean but please don't preach. What you call a miracle I could call luck or a miracle of SOME GOD not the God I don't believe in him how can he perform miracles when he is non-existent? So please no more saying Miracles are the work of god, its not its dumb luck someone is favored by some specific god not God, A god not the God. Back on topic please is it true we don't know who is and isn't right?!
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:55 pm
Zslone2 xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup dio777 Zslone2 huh? that makes no sense? how do you know ur right? How do u know that the guy/girl next to u is or isnt right? Its again just an endless argument with everyone claiming their religion is right. We can never know this while living, ok no one is right and no one is wrong we just don't know ok! Yes we can know, through the grace of god revealing it to us. Can I jump in? I admit I haven't read the entire topic (if anyone insists I will, but I'm a little short on time right now sweatdrop ) One big clue it is the Christian religion is the fact we have a villain in our religion, someone who can cause problems, and even perform false miracles-Satan. The most effective lies are those that seem the most like the truth. In athiesm, the major flaw is you're saying there is no God, but you can't prove it, whereas a miracle (to many, not all) is proof enough that there is a God. Once you acknowledge there is a God, it's important to look for the correct one, the religion which explains everything from the nature of mankind to how to deal with that nature. More information here: http://www.faithclipart.com/guide/christian-apologetics/christian-arguments-against-atheism.html I don't mean to sound mean but please don't preach. What you call a miracle I could call luck or a miracle of SOME GOD not the God I don't believe in him how can he perform miracles when he is non-existent? So please no more saying Miracles are the work of god, its not its dumb luck someone is favored by some specific god not God, A god not the God. Back on topic please is it true we don't know who is and isn't right?! So its wrong for us to say it is a miracle but fine for you to rubbish it and say it isnt?
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