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Pixie Saylor

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:51 pm


OOH
THIS IS SOMETHING I KNOW A TONNNNN ABOUT

Private school vouchers?


Nono that just means that they'll take funding out of public school to make other modes of schooling available, which are more versatile and specialized than public schools but aren't as religious as a lot of private schools are.

Dems usually are against that because parents putting their kids in those kind of schools will probably especially at the beginning have to pay more, and that means less money for public schools which is bad because...well it's free.
I side with republicans here because the public school system is really broken, but I'm PRETTY SURE a large amount of dems, I'm PRETTY sure including Obama, compromise saying charter schools are okay, which are smaller not state things. I went to one online and I know some people going to them.

It's more he doesn't agree with parents being able to have vouchers for all these different types of schools that aren't as free or government backed as public.

AND this isn't even anything NEAR a huge issue, so I don't think ANYTHING will come of it at all. He can't ban everything other than government backed schools.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:00 pm


Well, if any president EVER abolishes everything but public school, then we will be on the fast track to a totalitarian country where the government feeds the children what they want them to think, becoming perfect little drones. We're already starting to do that with all the evolutionist bullshit they're pouring down our throats in schools now, in subtle ways. IT PISSES ME OFF.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:06 pm


Sylfaen
Pixie Saylor
Sylphy, I'm an Obama SUPPORTER. I know what he stands for and I believe he can help our country.


He's said he won't raise taxes for people making under 250k a year, an exception being some kind of job tax that I forgot about, for people making over 100k a year.

They got tax breaks already. They aren't going to lose their homes.


I don't understand why our country is at risk with Obama running it. Can you explain that?


I trust Obama, and I think he's a good guy.


I'm glad you trust him, I'm sure that's a great thing since you want him to be president.
Unfortunately, I don't trust him. >.>

I said I BELIEVE it's at risk.
I also said I hope he proves me wrong. :P I just highly doubt he will.

And for the most part, you're one of the only people I've seen who's a supporter. Most are fans. I see nothing more than I see "I VOTE FOR OBAMA LOLOLOL MCCAIN IZ OLD HE WIL DYE SOOOON LOL"
>.o

And I'm not a tax expert, nor can I find him saying his plans clearly enough to be understood through all the "~CHANGE~", but I said what I believe, including the video link I posted just up there. He can explain it way better than I can. :'D
But if ANYTHING goes up, and it IS going up, yes, my family will lose our house. We can barely afford living right now as it is.



Nymphie-- Yeaaah, it makes me lol. xD I even showed it to my parents and they both said it makes a hell of a lot of good sense.
He has some pretty cool videos up other than that one too. <3
I don't think anything will go up for your home, I don't know for certain, but I'll go about doing a ton of research about Obama's versus McCain's tax and housing plans to see what they're going to do, but I'm pretty sure he plans on lowering middle class housing, seeing as something he makes a HUGE deal about is seeing a lot of middle class families struggling with our current system and he really wants to fix that.

I know you don't trust him, and I hope he proves you wrong. D:
I hope McCain proves me wrong. D:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:36 am


The Retanator
Well, if any president EVER abolishes everything but public school, then we will be on the fast track to a totalitarian country where the government feeds the children what they want them to think, becoming perfect little drones. We're already starting to do that with all the evolutionist bullshit they're pouring down our throats in schools now, in subtle ways. IT PISSES ME OFF.


See, that's exactly what it looks to me like is going to happen. D; Again, if Obama becomes president, I hope he proves me wrong.

I do terribly wish they'd teach Intelligent Design in schools ALONG WITH Evolution so people know both sides of the debate. >.<;


Pixie -- Well, the other thing that unnerves me a bit about Obama is his dependance on the word "change" and the fact that what I HAVE heard from him that's straightforward are many things I'm not sure I liked. I'm not terribly sure I really even know his position on some things, so it's really hard to say what he wants to do and what he WILL do.

Let's just hope America doesn't go down the drain in the next few years, ya? 8D I think that's one thing we can both agree on. <333 -dies-

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:19 am


mmm <3

I don't think he'll ban anything related to public schools, but then you probably don't think McCain is going to keep putting off adding gay harassment to hate crimes and keep supporting Don't Ask/Don't Tell and make more pro-straight marriage laws, which are things I fear a LOT. D:

BUT
I LIKE YOU
AND YOU ARE VOTING REPUBLICAN.
And I don't think you hate me and I'm pinch voting Obama.
So I think we might be okay.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:11 am


Okay. I read about three of the reasons against McCain and stopped immediately. Not only is it obvious that the writer is EXTREMELY biased against Republicans, but that he is also extremely liberal.

You can't get reasons for why or why not to vote for a candidate off of the internet. Especially from extremely biased sources. The best you can do is listen to what each of them has said they would do, then look into their histories and see what they have done or stood for before. Base their actions and stances on what your personal beliefs are, then choose which candidate you feel would best suit you and this country's best interests.

Also, I didn't read the Obama one yet, but I'm sure it's just as biased against him as the one that was written for McCain was against him.

Continued-

Okay, so I read some of the Obama ones, and some of them do seem to be actual valid reasons why not to vote for him. Some of them aren't, but no one's perfect I guess.

I'm a big believer in the fact that the government just needs to stay the hell out of people's business unless someone's causing harm to someone else. The government has a job to protect its people and I believe that it OFTEN takes it waaay too far. I do not believe in big government and that's what Obama wants. Pretty soon, the government will want to control everything and I'm afraid that's what would happen if we continue to let people like Obama get their way.

I'm a firm believer in the Second Amendment. The founding fathers made it the second one for a reason. Gun control makes me extremely angry and I think that it's just a step in having the government control everyone completely.

Now, I'm not a total Conservative, in believing that government should stay out of our business, I believe that gay people can get married if they want. However, if a preacher's personal beliefs say that he/she's against gay marriage then he/she doesn't have to perform the ceremony. It's all about respecting beliefs.

So, big government to me is the equivalent to some large evil force. That's why I'm not voting for Obama, because from what I've heard him say, that's what he's driving at.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:29 pm


xCherry Frostx
Okay. I read about three of the reasons against McCain and stopped immediately. Not only is it obvious that the writer is EXTREMELY biased against Republicans, but that he is also extremely liberal.

You can't get reasons for why or why not to vote for a candidate off of the internet. Especially from extremely biased sources. The best you can do is listen to what each of them has said they would do, then look into their histories and see what they have done or stood for before. Base their actions and stances on what your personal beliefs are, then choose which candidate you feel would best suit you and this country's best interests.

Also, I didn't read the Obama one yet, but I'm sure it's just as biased against him as the one that was written for McCain was against him.

Continued-

Okay, so I read some of the Obama ones, and some of them do seem to be actual valid reasons why not to vote for him. Some of them aren't, but no one's perfect I guess.

I'm a big believer in the fact that the government just needs to stay the hell out of people's business unless someone's causing harm to someone else. The government has a job to protect its people and I believe that it OFTEN takes it waaay too far. I do not believe in big government and that's what Obama wants. Pretty soon, the government will want to control everything and I'm afraid that's what would happen if we continue to let people like Obama get their way.

I'm a firm believer in the Second Amendment. The founding fathers made it the second one for a reason. Gun control makes me extremely angry and I think that it's just a step in having the government control everyone completely.

Now, I'm not a total Conservative, in believing that government should stay out of our business, I believe that gay people can get married if they want. However, if a preacher's personal beliefs say that he/she's against gay marriage then he/she doesn't have to perform the ceremony. It's all about respecting beliefs.

So, big government to me is the equivalent to some large evil force. That's why I'm not voting for Obama, because from what I've heard him say, that's what he's driving at.


Your post makes me kind of love you.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:31 pm


'bama isn't going to take our freedom away.


The second amendment was there because GB when they were pulling a pinky and the brain would go to an area and take all the guns away from the people. So if they wanted to revolt, it didn't do very well, because a revolt with guns is way more effective than one without.

So when we created it we made it so that if the country got too strong and we needed to revolt we could because we had guns.


Nevermind this country isn't going to get too strong and we're not going to ban guns altogether and if it DOES become too strong we could revolt in a half second. The second amendment is causing a LOT of harm to someone else.


How does Obama want a big government?

Why do you think the government will control everything?

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Cherry Ave

PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:51 pm


Sylf- =D heart

PL:

Well Obama really is shooting for a lot of big government items, like taking out more taxes to set up more welfare. While that doesn't sound too bad, it's just another way the government is interfering with people's lives. And I'm not all for no welfare at all because I feel that if we have the means to, we should try to help some people. But there's just a point when it gets ridiculous. And I'm not some rich white girl who doesn't want to pay for some impoverished family, my parents are actually making lower-class money and it's extremely difficult to do things like pay for college and buy nice things, but they still get by.

The second amendment isn't hurting anyone either. The second amendment never hurt anyone ever at any point in time. People who take advantage of weapons in a negative way hurt people. I'm a big believer in the phrase "guns don't kill people. Bad people kill people."

If the second amendment were to be taken away and guns were to be banned completely, THAT would harm people. Because if someone's going to kill someone, they don't care about laws, they're going to get their hands on a gun one way or another. Then, if the victim used to own a gun but got it taken away because of gun laws, there would be no way for them to defend themselves.

I mean, think about it, if a student had owned and happened to have a gun on him/her while the incident at Virginia Tech was going on, it might have turned out differently.

Now I'm definitely NOT saying that everyone should be allowed a gun. I do believe that you should go through training and be certified to carry a gun just like it is now, but I do believe that guns aren't just for killing someone.

/gun rant, lawl.

Basically, Obama has MANY big spending items that he wants to enact. However, we do not have any kind of budget for this at ALL. He has yet to explain exactly how he plans on paying for all these big ticket items he's proposing. Which probably means one thing. More Taxes. Yes, you need to spend money in order to get better things, however the way our economy is right now, we can't afford a lot of the stuff he wants to do.

The government is already controlling a lot of stuff it shouldn't be. And with Obama wanting an even BIGGER government than there already is, well, the government will be controlling even more.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:56 pm


D: forgot to say PL = Pixie. PL isn't on gaia and I'm holding her account and I'm using it now because I changed my gaia pass but forgot it and it's saved on my home computer and stuff but I'm not at home.. xD


There isn't a president out there that hasn't ******** with taxes, and the s**t we have right now is bullshit. Europe has REALLY high taxes, and they all have really strong democracies and s**t.

And we have the best welfare system in the WORLD. Have you ever needed to be on welfare? Have you ever been that poor? It needs an update, yeah, but I don't think you should say welfare is bullshit unless you've ever been that poor. :/
There's a HUGE difference between getting by and having NOTHING.

The second amendment is keeping us from putting up stringent gun control laws. Look at a TON of countries in Europe that have less crime than we do. They don't have higher drinking ages. They don't have stronger drug laws. They have gun control laws.
Bad people kill people with GUNS. It's true, that if you take away their guns they'll use something else. But so many times someone will die because the gun was there when they were mad. Having a gun on you promotes violence. You wouldn't have it on you unless you were going to intimidate, or use it, self defense or otherwise. But if someone who's going to attack you sees a gun on you, they're going to be more violent. If they have a gun on them, you're looking at a gunfight. It provokes people and gives you the idea to use lethal force if necessary.

And, say you're going on an airplane. Say you have a knife on you. Yes, it's true you could kill someone with your bare hands. But if you got a knife on the plane it'd be TONS easier. They don't say "Oh, well because you can strangle someone with your hands there's no point in taking the knife away" Limiting people's options limits their ability to kill. People will still kill, and still get ahold of guns, but you can force harsher punishments on them, and there'll be TONS less gun-related deaths.

I don't think guns should be banned completely, nor does anyone. That law could never be passed.


There are BETTER ways to defend yourself than guns. TONS BETTER. Pepper spray is amazing. We should be looking for ways to make pepper spray more effective. Offering cheaper self defense classes. Guns promote violence and create death. There's no reason to give people another way to kill people.

Handguns are my biggest problem. I understand hunting, and I don't think anyone wants to take that away from people.

If we get out of Iraq and decrease military spending, we'll have a TON more money in the government. Have you gotten that? Iraq is sucking up TONS of money. More taxes for the WEALTHY. Obama has promised no tax raises for families making under 100 grand a year, and very few (like there's only one he mentioned) for families making between the 100-250 grand a year mark.

They won't be controlling even more I don't think. Obama is very much for giving people more choice. He's not an idiot.

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Tedie Behr

PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:04 pm



i'm voting for mccain, but that's only because of Sarah Palin.

she's done a kickass job as governor of alaska. i know because i live there. she works with both parties to do what needs to be done, which is something i really respect. she's managed multibillion dollar budgets well, and she cares about the little guy, because that's where she comes from. she's not some heiress to politics - she comes from a straight-up, middle-class family that deals with the same stuff i do, instead of some kind of elite political caste.

on the second amendment: i'm all for it. yes, we should have gun control, but we should definitely allow joe citizen to have a gun if he follows all the legal channels and uses it responsibly.

maybe because i'm from a rural, hunting-type community my view on guns is different than people in urban areas. guns are tools to protect yourself when you're in the backcountry (you know, from bears and s**t) and to provide food for the family. but i definitely understand wanting to carry a firearm in the city - if some b*****d tries to rape me, you can be damn sure i'd shoot him. but before i carried a handgun, i'd make sure i knew how to use it and had it registered.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:41 pm


But you don't HAVE to shoot a rapist. :/

There are ways to protect yourself that stop the attacker but don't kill him. It's not your job to take the law into your own hands, and you shouldn't kill someone if you have another way....which you would have if you weren't carrying a gun.

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Espyr

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:49 pm


Parking Lot
But you don't HAVE to shoot a rapist. :/

There are ways to protect yourself that stop the attacker but don't kill him. It's not your job to take the law into your own hands, and you shouldn't kill someone if you have another way....which you would have if you weren't carrying a gun.


Just want to mention, you CAN shoot someone without killing them. If you're a good shot you can get them in the leg.

Anyway, I think what she meant was that if it was her or the rapist, she'd defend herself however she could.
I'd do that too if I have to. If they didn't want to be shot, they shouldn't have tried to rape anyone.

Cherry-- <333
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:31 pm


Sylfaen- Yes, you can shoot someone without killing them, but how many people do you think would think like that in a split second? How many people are that good of a shot without having a chance to take aim? Non-lethal methods, in my opinion, are better for defense. I'm not against guns, I understand that they are important to some people; hell this country was built on them, but I'm 100% against killing.

Ismaru the Windsoul


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:16 pm


I finished McCain's speech in class today, so now I know more of his side. Hasn't made me want to vote for him, but I kinda think it was a bit neat that he told a story about the time he was a prisoner of war.

Sylfaen

That is closed-minded. O.o
I've lived through the same eight years like you have, and honestly Bush did what we needed from him when we needed it. o_o I agree that we need a change bigtime now, but seriously, try to be fair. He's not a bad person.
And McCain's VP choice should be adequate proof that he isn't like Bush. :/

That's what I thought. gonk
I think we've lived through very similar eight years. My eight began when I was impressionably 9, in my nana's living room with my mom and nana trading "oh will you listen to him?"s between each other whenever Bush said anything. Its fair to say that I've probly been brainwashed. But I never meant to say that Bush is a bad person. Personal attacks, not my thing.

Sylfaen

Obama's smile looks fake and plastic-y to me. O.o It gives me shivers.
McCain does have an odd smile, but I've never heard anyone say it looked evil. Why would he have any reason to plot things?


Eh. It just doesn't look like McCain's smile reaches his eyes. But it was really just a thought that popped in my head while watching him. I just thought the smile looked creepy. Doesn't really mean anything.


Sylfaen

That's kind of unfair. Just because he may need a reminder to order his thoughts doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about, and that doesn't mean he doesn't KNOW his opinions and beliefs and thoughts. I really can't believe people who make him out to be stupid.. it's blind and arrogant in many ways.

For instance, I was just explaining a really complex conundrum to my mom last night, and it took me like an hour to really manage to explain it WELL..... and I had to ask her a bunch of times what I'd said a few moments before, because my mind kept on whizzing all over to try to explain myself, and I ended up losing the train of thought I'd previously been on.
Does that mean there's something wrong with me? :/
Also, Biden used to stutter a lot. Does that mean he's stupid?
Some people can ramble on and on about a topic, others can't. o_o It's really limited and unnecessary to hold bias on such a meaningless point.
And anyway, I've seen Obama looking at teleprompters and notes before.


Again, it was really just a thought that popped in my head. I noticed Obama didn't look down, and McCain did, and I thought 'Wow, impressive, Obama.' I didn't mean to say he's stupid, because he's not. I know he's not. He knows what he's doing.

Biden used to stutter? razz Maybe its just me, but isn't Biden kinda invisible in these debates?

Getting side-tracked, but anyways, I guess the reason I brought it up is because voters are influenced by charisma. Which I know not everyone has. I'm practically Exhibit A that not everyone can be talkative. (I'm not holding any bias based on these little thoughts either. I already made my decision based on their views. I just haven't discussed their views because I don't feel I can discuss them better than other people already have. I just don't have anything to add yet.)

Sylfaen

I'm considering leaving the US if Obama becomes president.
McCain may not do what you want him to do in office, but Obama is giving me a huge feeling that my end of the country is tumbling downhill at a breakneck rate.
I don't intend to be aboard when it hits rock bottom.

Likewise. I think we both can agree without sounding unpatriotic that we'll both think about jumping ship if we can't stop from sinking.
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